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New Generation of Cases?

mikeb55121 writes "In my never ending quest to build a bigger and better computer i have come across this new design of computer case that is prety intresting to me and possibly any one else out there who build their own computers. This case is very unique because it is shaped as a "T" and the manufacture says that it ends cable clutter and has very good airflow." The aesthetics aren't bad, and the concept is solid. It'll be interesting to see if this catches on. I kind of doubt it.

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  1. An old lesson from Apple by browser_war_pow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just had to cart a PC up 3 flights of stairs and down the hall to my dorm room. Moving my PowerMac was a lot easier because of the handles. PC makers still have a lot to learn from Apple IMO

    1. Re:An old lesson from Apple by maverick41 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed....not only does the current generation of PowerMac have handles on the exterior, but also utilizes "hubbable" interfaces such as USB and Firewire to at least move the cable clutter. They also allow easy motherboard access via the "drop-down" case design.

    2. Re:An old lesson from Apple by sql*kitten · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just had to cart a PC up 3 flights of stairs and down the hall to my dorm room. Moving my PowerMac was a lot easier because of the handles. PC makers still have a lot to learn from Apple IMO

      If you can afford both a Mac and PC, surely you can afford a butler to do all that lifting and carrying for you?

    3. Re:An old lesson from Apple by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Might I suggest an aluminum case? And perhaps a flat panel display? After all, a CRT monitor is the heaviest part of the average PC, and those steel cases are a bit on the heavy side too, not to mention less able to radiate excess heat.

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    4. Re:An old lesson from Apple by shepd · · Score: 5, Funny

      >PC makers still have a lot to learn from Apple IMO

      You mean Apple learned from PC makers, right? Apples loves to bring back really OLD ideas and pretend they're new and cool...

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    5. Re:An old lesson from Apple by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 5, Interesting
      [...] those steel cases are [...] less able to radiate excess heat.

      A commonly held misconception. The truth is, however, that unless the hot components are in direct contact with the aluminum, the air will act as a thermal insulator, and given the fact that air is one of the best thermal insulators out there, the cooling advantage over a steel case is somewhere between jack and shit.

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    6. Re:An old lesson from Apple by dissy · · Score: 4, Offtopic

      Even not looking at the speed of things, firewire is a much better protocol than USB.

      Firewire is pretty close to SCSI when it comes to its protocols, where as USB is best compared to RS-422.

      With USB there is a host (computer) and devices (everything else)

      With firewire, everything is a device, and they can all talk to eachother.

      If USB HD 1 wants to send data to USB HD 2, the host computer must read one drive and write to the other. There is no other way.

      With firewire, *A* computer (Yes there can be more than one on the bus) can instruct HD 1 to send data to HD 2 in large chunks, so there is very little overhead going through the computer.

      Two firewire drives will be able to have the full 400mbit between them, where as two USB2 drives will only beable to send at a theoretical speed of 240mbit/sec because half of its 480mbit bandwidth is from one drive to the PC, then the other half is from the pc to the other drive.

      Also having say 5 PCs and a number of firewire devices (generally not harddrives as they are a special case) each PC will see the same hardware and they can all use it in a shared fasion.
      The PCs also can run IP over firewire and use it for networking as well.
      harddrives will be seen by all the machines as well, its just typical computers assume a disk will be seen by itself only, so do not plan ahead for what to do when that data is changed unexpectantly.

      None of that is possible with USB, and without special hardware you cant attach two or more PCs with USB (no a hub is not special) as each computer needs an adaptor to make it a 'device' instead of a 'host', and then the device computers cant see the rest of the USB chain.

      USB was designed and made to replace serial.
      Firewire was designed and made to be generic and have anything/everything run over it, including IP, video signal, serial, disk protocols, etc.

      If you only need basic serial operation and very little over head, yes USB may be concidered better. But thats the only case it would be true.

    7. Re:An old lesson from Apple by fenix+down · · Score: 3, Informative

      Air isn't a good insulator? Why the hell do they make winter coats puffy? Try wearing a wetsuit and a good winter coat outside. They both have the same ammount of material, why are you freezing in the wetsuit? Because the jacket's padding traps air.

      The fans are necessary BECAUSE air is an insulator. Your processor has a heatsink in order to conduct the heat to the air, which will absorb it. The fan blows the hot air away from the heatsink so that it will keep working. If air were a conductor, you wouldn't need a fan, because the heat would be conducted through the air.

      Air isn't an electrical conductor either. Lightning is not only not a "relatively low voltage", it's a fucking astronomical voltage. It jumps through the air because it's got enough energy to power your house for a month. Thunder, man! Air is not a conductor, that means it heats up resisting the current, causing it to expand explosively in an audible shockwave. Lightning only happens because air is an insulator seperating the clouds and the ground, which are both way better conductors than the air.

      High School physics man. Try and retain your education a little. This is why people think the highest point on earth is Pluto.

    8. Re:An old lesson from Apple by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 5, Funny
      Forgive me if I'm missing something here, but the entire case is aluminum (Lian Li PC-68), inside and out. Everything is connected to part of that case and thus to the aluminum.

      So your CPU, your graphics chip and all the chips on your mainboard are in full contact with your case, with no air in between, i.e. using thermal grease? Uhh huh, yup ... must have been one hell of a soldering job, connecting microscopic wires to all those 500+-ball BGAs ...

      It also has three fans plus the one on the power supply. Now you're going to tell me fans are a misconception too?

      Take some reading lessons. I didn't say that. Or are you trying to divert attention by making ridiculous comparisons on purpose?

      Say what? Air is an electrical insulator, and only to relatively low voltages. Vide, e.g., lightning.

      What are you, some kind of troll? Nobody was talking about electrical conductivity. But since you brought this up, it shows your lack of general knowledge. Relatively low voltages, yeah, about 25 kV/cm. Air is coincidentally also one of the best electrical insulators.

      It is most assuredly not a thermal insulator. Put your hand near a cold window in Winter and see how much insulation you get.

      Ok, you're definitely a troll. A simple experiment: put your hand in 212 degree hot air. Then put your hand in 212 degree hot (i.e. boiling) water. After that, hold a 212 degree hot metal bar in your hand. Then tell me which material has better thermal conductivity.

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    9. Re:An old lesson from Apple by HardCase · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Say what? Air is an electrical insulator, and only to relatively low voltages. Vide, e.g., lightning. It is most assuredly not a thermal insulator. Put your hand near a cold window in Winter and see how much insulation you get."
      ...

      "If it's an insulator, why does it get hot?"
      ...

      "The fact is that trapped air is a good insulator relative to flowing air and to solid objects like lumber."


      Good grief, make up your mind! The fact is that air is a very good thermal insulator, one of the best, because, like almost all gases, it has a very low coefficient of thermal inertia. That means that for a given volume of air, it will conduct less heat (energy) over a given period of time. One of the reasons is that the molecules of air are less dense than, say, a given volume of steel.


      Why does the air get hot? Simple...you've got a limited volume inside the case and a number of components that are emitting a (relatively) stupendous amount of heat. The small volume of air in the case will most definitely heat up.


      Although the fans in the aluminum case will transfer some small amount of the heat to the case, you'll actually find that because the coefficients of thermal inertia are so mismatched between air and metal that very little thermal transfer is taking place between, say, the CPU and the case. That's because the metal can conduct the heat much faster than the air can deliver it.


      The real problem is getting the hot air inside the case out of the case. I design memory modules, and part of the work is doing thermal analyses of them. Our models (which reflect reality pretty closely) show that the material of the case is not particularly important when it comes to managing thermal issues within the case. What is far more important is getting the hot air out of the case as quickly as possible...and that's because the air itself simply will not conduct the heat to another location effectively. Why? Because it's an insulator!


      Incidentally, air is quite a good electrical insulator, too, unless it is ionized by a fairly high voltage.


      "Why is there always somebody who has to argue with the obvious?"


      Indeed!


      -h-

  2. noise by smokin_juan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    blah. it's all lights and cooling and cable clutter and poppy cock. let me know when they design a QUIET computer case. noise cancelation tech, built in sound dampening materials, baffles on the outside fans... hell i dunno, but my heap is LOUD and i'm doubting that a "T" does much for noise.

    1. Re:noise by jcoy42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go do your research. There is quite a bit of information on quieting your PC out there, and quite a bit of specialized hardware out there to do this.

      Go to google and search for "quiet PC" or click here.

      There are plenty of cases/fans/and everything else out there to silence a PC. You just have to look.

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    2. Re:noise by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This one will be quieter then the usual. Smaller and less powerful fans becayue there is less cable clutter and less resistance to air. At the end it will depend what fans it uses but it has a better chance to be quiet then a normal spagetty case,

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  3. Wow, no pictures. by foolip · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you who don't much like macromedia stuff, you can see small pictures of these things on another page on the same site.

  4. Nice idea, but... by loply · · Score: 4, Informative
    For reference, you can buy the cases from Ebuyer.co.uk for £80, and they are both deeper and wider than most ATX cases (thus, less space efficient).

    They will not fit into the "case" compartment of most PC benches, if thats the kind you have.

    Good idea, but Im pretty sure theyre a passing fad since the dimensions are so inefficient.

  5. Huh? by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The aesthetics aren't bad, and the concept is solid. It'll be interesting to see if this catches on. I kind of doubt it.

    Well, that's pessimistic. "It's good, but nobody will buy it."

    If the airflow is as good as they claim, then that's excellent. I've had a number of problems over the years with poor cooling, and I'm certainly not a hardcore gamer or 3D renderer.

    Easy access to everything in the case is also a big plus. It just looks so elegant. No more fumbling with lots of little screws and trying to get Tab A into Slot B reassembling my case.

    There are a few potential problems: the manufacture of this case will be more costly--it's not just a box. So bargain hunters won't buy it. The shape of the case won't fit into a narrow slot that some desks leave; it wouldn't be a problem at my desk, but I can see trouble in cramped environments. Aesthetically, the shape is novel, but I don't know if it's as attractive as the poster makes out. Finally, are drive cables long enough to reach all the drive bays, or are we limited to technologies that permit longer cable runs (serial ATA, for example)?

    My two cents.

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  6. not new: Apple, Compaq, IBM by axxackall · · Score: 4, Informative
    The way to open/close the case is like G3/4 Towers do.

    Some similar ideas I remember from my experience also with Compaq and IBM.

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  7. About time by TerryAtWork · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've opened many a case in my time and I figure some of these case designers missed their calling, which was to design traps that guard Pharaoh's tombs.

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    1. Re:About time by Reziac · · Score: 3, Funny

      I once bought an otherwise-nice AT midtower that had apparently been designed by the high priest of some ancient god of war. Despite otherwise-excellent design, there is no edge inside that isn't both razor-sharp and angled so as to best rend passing flesh.

      I covered every interior edge in that case with duct tape. Then sold it to a cheapskate client when he upgraded from a 386 to a 486. Figured that'd be the last I'd see of it. *BEEP*!!

      Anyone care to guess how many times I've had my hands inside that deadly case since then??
      Lessee... upgraded motherboard (2x), HD, modem; removed sound card; replaced fans (3x) ... that's 8 trips to the dungeon in all. And when I next upgrade that client's system, it'll be to a new ATX system... so the bloodthirsty case will, alas, follow me home, in the usual manner of used components.

      The moral is, if a computer or any part thereof requires a blood sacrifice, there is no getting rid of the curse. It WILL come back to haunt you.

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  8. Fast Mirror by gulfan · · Score: 4, Informative
  9. one perfect shape by g4dget · · Score: 5, Funny
    Oh, come on, everybody knows that the one perfect shape for a PC case is this.

    Besides, it goes so well with the one perfect shape for furniture.

  10. Excellent Coolermaster Case by Jubii · · Score: 4, Informative

    This case would look at home in any AV setup.

    Cooler Master 610-GX1

    A bit pricey though

    A few more pictures.

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  11. Two Observations by idiotnot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. The cooling for the drives looks to be less-than-optimal. I tend to run SCSI drives in my systems, and many of them get hot. The intake for the fans would also pull air right off my nice cool 19" monitor, seeing as how my monitor is to the right of the tower.

    2. There's a reason cables come out of the *back* of a computer -- you can route them to wherever you want them. Looking at this case, all the cables come out of the left side of the case. Looking at my desk, my tower is on the left side (which is by the wall). So with this, I'd have to route the cables *around* the back of the case....

    Ob/.CaseMod: Where would you put the window and the neon lights?

    1. Re:Two Observations by ctr2sprt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Ob/.CaseMod: Where would you put the window and the neon lights?
      In the trash, where they belong.

      (I have too much karma!)

  12. Next generation of cases by papasui · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the next generation of cases will be those made by companies that try to use as little space as possible, (yes they do need to ensure that there are no heat problems.). I've grown tired of having a tower case that doesn't tuck away under anything, and make so much noise I can hear the fans in the nearby room. My next computer will probably use a shuttle case/motherboard for these exact reasons.

    1. Re:Next generation of cases by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a little Shuttle SS40G and it came with a good cooling system (nothing even gets very warm) but the FANS ARE LOUD. You do hear them in the next room. A big case doesn't necessarily mean louder fans- in fact you would expect the opposite because now there is more heat in less space.

      Something happened to it the other night, right in the middle of reading Slashdot- the video signal suddenly went away and it doesn't reboot anymore. No BIOS screen, nothing. The only things that work anymore are the NumLock light on the keyboard and the noisy fans. Except for one restart attempt when it worked normally for 30 seconds and died again. :( It's only 4 months old, so I'm waiting for a response from Shuttle.

    2. Re:Next generation of cases by krokodil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I observe that more and more my friends who
      use computers not for games switch to laptops.

      I guess maybe non-laptop computers will be used
      for servers only in future.

  13. Re:But the price . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like it costs ~$122USD. At least on the only site that seems to carry it . . .

    http://www.home-pc.co.uk/browse.asp?cat=cases

  14. I don't normally care about case mods by scumdamn · · Score: 3, Funny

    but I want that case!
    That thing is beautiful. For some reason it just caught my eye and that was it. If you have more money than sense, I appeal to you: Purchase me this case! I am not strictly opposed to giving sexual favors for it!
    HEAR MY PLEA! I WANT THIS CASE!
    Thank you

  15. This reminds me of the crappy CompUSA case.. by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Funny

    that has the motherboard mounted on a fold down door.

    While it looked cool and functional on my mac the PC case sucked because the IDE and floppy cables were too short to reach when the door was all the way open.

    So every time I had to open the case i had to disconnect my hard drives and floppy.

    Just another instance of the PC makers half-ass following Apple's lead and getting it all wrong.

    1. Re:This reminds me of the crappy CompUSA case.. by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Informative

      apples first attempt at it screwed up too

      on the beige G3 towers the IDE cables weren't long enough to get to the lower bays, and running/replacing IDE cables was a complete bitch and a half - and this case didn't have the motherboard on a door, just the door and power supply easily folded out. the second major problem w/ the case was that you had to unplug stuff to open it. So youd pop in that new component, test it, and then have to shut down so you could unplug the power again and close the case back up

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  16. I'm cluster biased by AssFace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People are saying that it won't fit in the slots of their desks... I suppose I'm not the typical user - I would never ever ever ever ever ever get a desk that had a slot for me to put my computer in.
    It insulates the machine too much and regardless of how hard you work to cool it, you are exacerbating the issue if you have it in a slot in your desk.

    That said, I'm not sure the shape is all that great for my uses because I basically only ever really want either a laptop, or a bunch of small and compact machines to cluster. Something that shape on its own and under an open desk is just dandy - but trying to put that in an area with others just like it takes up more space than just the traditional "brick o' computer"

    The main things I want from a case are compactness,quietness, and cheapness.
    None of those seem to help keep it cool, but when you have multiple white noise sources going, they seem to amplify each other, and it SUCKS on hardwood floors.

    I want a case that is quiet and clamshells, but is just a normal shape that is easy to cram a bunch of them in a small place.
    basically I want a rackmount, but for way less money :)

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  17. OT: Thermal management: PC design sucks... by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The design of the PC system SUCKS from a thermal management standpoint.

    Look at the old VME systems (e.g. what is in use at a telephone switching office).

    The backplane board is vertically mounted along the back of the enclosure, and the cards are ALSO vertically mounted into the backplane. Any plugs on each card are on the front of the card. One whole section of the bus is reserved for I/O connections, so standard connections are on the backplane.

    As a result, natural convection can move air over the system. If you need forced air, you put a fan at the bottom of the system, pressurizing the cabinet - that way you are moving denser, cold air with the fan.

    When the S100 systems came out, they almost got this right, but they put the backplane on the bottom, and mounted the cards vertically. As a result, you now have the backplane blocking natural convection. Plus, with the connectors on the BACK of the card, you have yet another impediment to air flow.

    When the first PC was designed, they stole the design of the S100 bus systems in that regard.

    Now, you have one of two options - the tower approach, with the main board vertical and the cards horizontal - so your GPU cooks in its own heat, and the cards block the natural airflow over the main board, or the desktop approach - where your cards are vertical, but your main board cooks.

    All case designs for the PC are work-arounds for this rather BAD design.

    And until the PC industry starts making a change, no case tricks will completely ease this.

    That said, I must say these things:

    1) That was possibly the BEST use of a Flash animation for a site I've seen in a long time. Rather than wasting my time with BS, they show me the case in operation. Bravo to the webmaster!

    2) The case actually would solve one problem I have in my setup - with all the cables exiting out the back of the tower case, and the tower being in the bay in my desk, it is a bitch to get to them, and they tend to get nibbled on by the fans I've put at the back of the desk. This case, with the cards exiting from the side would avoid that.

    1. Re:OT: Thermal management: PC design sucks... by virtual_mps · · Score: 3, Interesting
      No, because in a modern rack you have a plenum between sections, removing the air from the stack.


      I'm not sure what you're getting at here. First you talked about passive convection cooling, now something else. Make up your mind about what PC's need to copy. If you look at something like a sun 10k or 15k you'll find a midpoint-to-top airflow but that's got much less to do with convection cooling than with the ability to pull a board out without removing the fans. Once you force enough air through the system the orientation is pretty much irrelevant, and driven by concerns other than cooling.

      And rack mounted systems are different from home computer layouts.


      As opposed to VME-based telecom equipment?

      AND the modern PC design still makes getting good airflow over all components difficult since there are almost no unobstructed straight line paths through the case.


      Now that's a relevent argument, and definately a problem in most low-end/home pc's. Rackmount and high-end machines tend to have better airflow due to improved cable management and integrated design.

      AND you still benefit from convection, even in a forced air situation, as components in dead air (see point above) get convective cooling.


      For which components is this even relevant? Convection cooling is totally inadequate for the hottest part of a modern system. (CPU and HD now, and increasingly other components.) Moving things around so they match an ancient VME design isn't going to change the fact that you'll need a big honkin' fan. More importantly still, the ideal solution just won't have any dead air...

      I work on equipment that pumps out the watts. Do you?


      Everything from rackmount pc's to multirack storage arrays to liquid-cooled computer systems. Ain't none of that stuff going to benefit from passive convection air cooling.