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Banana to be Sequenced

GodsMadClown writes "New Scientist reports that a global consortium plans to sequence the genetic code of a wild banana from east Asia. Because bananas are triploidal instead of diploidal, they are only able to reproduce asexually, which means that it adapts slower than organisms reproducing sexually. 'One rule of joining the consortium is that any invention developed through the project and protected [by patent] will be made available to smallholders through a royalty-free license,' says Emile Frison, director of the International Network for the Improvement of Banana and Plantain."

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  1. Bananas being sequenced... why? by phreak404 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The original story description was entirely non-coherent. So for anyone who actually cares, according to the article, bananas are being sequenced because the varieties favored by Western civilization are a nautral hybrid, and also happen to be sterile. This makes it impossible to crossbreed with Asian varieties that are more resistant to pests and diseases, hence, gene sequencing... all so that CostaRicans can use less pesticides, make more money from all of us banana loving Westerners.

    1. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by tjensor · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is very good reason for genetic research into Bananas. Almost all Banans eaten in the world are from a single species, which is almost sterile - note the lack of seeds in your lunchtime Banana. There are several diseases which, if they got into the main Banana growing parts of the world, could seriously threaten the very existence of the Banana. This would be devastating for many small, poor countries, as they not only rely on the Banana economically, but as a staple food as well. Check out this months New Scientist.

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    2. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by dubstop · · Score: 3, Funny

      could seriously threaten the very existence of the Banana

      Cripes! I for one don't want to imagine a world without bananas. Let's just hope that there's enough time to push banana-based technology to a point where we no longer have to be afraid.

    3. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by videodriverguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reading the article, it appears that these diseases are already in the major growing areas. And also, contrary to a previous post, these diseases mutate to resist traditional remedies so fast that treatment (pesticides) is not an option. Therefore there is a real urgency to this research - if not completed, there seems to be a real chance that the banana as we know it will simply be extinct.

      A more important point is that although GM may well be a cure, it remains to be seen whether or not consumers would accept modified bananas.

    4. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by EvilAlien · · Score: 3, Funny

      s/Westerners/Monkeys/

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    5. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by secolactico · · Score: 2

      all so that CostaRicans can use less pesticides, make more money from all of us banana loving Westerners

      You mean CostaRicans aren't westerners??? Boy, my knowledge of geography must be *way* outdated.
      ;-) (smiley here for humor impaired moderators)

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    6. Re:Bananas being sequenced... why? by ynohoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Today's guardian has an article about these fungal diseases which threaten this staple of many poorer countries "Yes - in 10 years we may have no bananas" so this reseach comes not a moment to soon. Apparently some Honduran scientists peeled and sieved 400 tonnes of bananas to find just 15 seeds for breeding - and have come up with a fungus resistant variety which can be grown organically, so hopefully the GM route maybe a non-starter...

  2. "...the International Network..." by tooloftheoligarchy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...for the Improvement of Banana and Plantain?!"

    And here I was worrying that the world was in trouble. Now I can sleep at night.

  3. Duh! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 3, Funny
    they are only able to reproduce asexually

    Of course they reproduce asexually, who has ever seen two bananas humping eachother?

  4. Opensourced banana by watzinaneihm · · Score: 2, Funny

    'One rule of joining the consortium is that any invention developed through the project and protected [by patent] will be made available to smallholders through a royalty-free license,' says Emile Frison, director of the International Network for the Improvement of Banana and Plantain"
    Is that GPL or BSD ?

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    1. Re:Opensourced banana by AlecC · · Score: 3, Funny

      General Plantain Licence or Banana Source Disclosure?

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  5. Doom and gloom in the world of nanas by Scorchio · · Score: 5, Funny

    When my alarm clock went off this morning, BBC Radio 1 news was in full soothsayer mode, foretelling how bananas will be wiped out by disease in ten years if nothing is done. Horrified, I hit snooze.

    According to a trivia game I was playing the other day, the banana is a herb, not fruit. Go figure.

    1. Re:Doom and gloom in the world of nanas by Solitary+Angel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually the banana plant is the worlds largest herb... the banana is still fruit ;) And they cross breed bananas all the time. You can buy Apple Bananas which are smaller, fatter and sweeter... Ahh the knowledge I have gained from having a dad who sells bananas :)

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    2. Re:Doom and gloom in the world of nanas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Banana -
      (Musa sapientum) Technically speaking, the banana is a herb due to the
      fact it is part of the flower made by the female plant. Botanically speaking,
      it's a berry, due to the fact it's a fruit that developes from a plant ovary and
      has little seeds.

    3. Re:Doom and gloom in the world of nanas by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2, Informative

      N-ploid means N sets of chromosomes. Humans are diploid, having two sets. The general term is polyploid for three or more sets of chromosomes. See link for more info (in English).

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    4. Re:Doom and gloom in the world of nanas by Omni-Cognate · · Score: 2, Interesting
      He's not wrong, you know. The BBC reckons banans may become extinct.

      Of course, if they sequence the genome, they may in the future be able to create a much safer, if rather boring, version of Jurassic Park, where we can all "see this astonishing 20th-century fruit(/herb) restored to to life in it's natural environment!!"

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  6. The problem of asexually reproducing crops by axolotl_farmer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The kind of bananas the we buy in our stores are triploid hybrids. This means that they are sterile and produce no seeds. They are reproduced from cuttings of the creeping underground stem, the 'banana trees' are actually upshoot from this.

    They downside is that all cuttings are genetically identical, so if a new disease or pest comes along, ALL commercial bananas are threatened. With other crops, crossbreeding with other strains can improve the resistance to the pests.

    Introducing resistance genes in commercial bananas can only be done by genetic engineering. Remember that there are still wild sexually reproducing bananas out there, so maybe we will be eating hybrids of other species in the future.

    1. Re:The problem of asexually reproducing crops by OldStash · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember that there are still wild sexually reproducing bananas out there

      You wouldn't have a link to their site, would you?

  7. I'm confused by hdparm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Because bananas are triploidal instead of diploidal, they are only able to reproduce asexually, which means that it adapts slower than organisms reproducing sexually.

    Is there any other plant in the world that reproduces sexually?

    1. Re:I'm confused by Hairy+Fop · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any plants with flowers are examples of sexual reproduction in plants. The pollen of one flower being transferred to the stamen of another by insects is an example of sexual reproduction.

      Genes are combined from two different sets to produce a single gene set and a new seed (now that's sexual).

    2. Re:I'm confused by 20_ooodbye · · Score: 5, Informative

      There seems to be a bit of confusion caused by the terms diploid and triploid.
      These terms refer to the number of sets of chromosomes each cell of an organism carries. Diploid is like us with 2 sets triploid is predictably 3 sets. Having 3 sets of chroromsomes is no problem untill you have to half the chrosomme number in making gametes (sperms, egg, pollen etc) A triploid organism can't make viable gametes, so is sterile.

      Not all Bananas are triploid though, we reproduce triploid ones because not bothering with reproduction they are more vigorous in there growth and wont make seeds. Seedless watermelons are triploid and there are even (engineered) triploid carp, used to clear weed from lakes etc but denied the chance to reproduce and start a population

  8. its both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    The Banana is a strange thing cos its both, a banana (the yellow thing you peel and eat) is undoubtedly a fruit (containing the seeds of the plant), though since commercially grown banana plants are sterile, the seeds are reduced to little specks.
    However, the banana plant, though it is called a 'banana-tree' in popular usage, is technically regarded as a herbaceous plant (or `herb'), not a tree, because the stem does not contain true woody tissue.

  9. banana in your pocket by Stanley+Feinbaum · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey Emile Frison, is that a banana in your pocket or are you just the director of the International Network for the Improvement of Banana and Plantain?

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  10. funny, i was *just* reading about this by lingqi · · Score: 2, Informative
    here on SciAm they have some cool stuff about this in general.

    on the other hand - I have to wonder, while interesting how does this article fit in slashdot?

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  11. This is bad for the MPAA by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once they find and patent the banana's "funny" gene, slapstick comedy movie production prices will go through the roof...

  12. Fruit! ...so to speak. by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's evidently an australian children's show called "Bananas in Pajamas," which has some rather nightmarish homoerotic(?) overtones.

    I'm rather relieved that my Google search for "bananas pajamas porn" returned no results.

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    1. Re:Fruit! ...so to speak. by blancolioni · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's evidently an australian children's show called "Bananas in Pajamas," which has some rather nightmarish [angelfire.com] homoerotic(?) overtones.


      You're not kidding; in fact the theme song goes "Bananas in pajamas are coming down the stairs."

      Powerful fruit indeed.

  13. no royalties? by magarity · · Score: 2, Funny

    'One rule of joining the consortium is that any invention developed through the project and protected [by patent] will be made available to smallholders through a royalty-free license,'

    Do they know to beware clever ideas put forward by the biochemists from the Rambus contingent?

  14. Knock Knock by devnullkac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we can finally update that tired knock-knock joke:

    Knock, Knock!
    Who's there?
    GCACCAATGCACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA...
    GCACCAATG CACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA... who?
    Knock, Knock!
    Who's there?
    GCACCAATGCACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA...
    GCACCAATG CACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA... who?
    Knock, Knock!
    Who's there?
    GCACCAATGCACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA...
    GCACCAATG CACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA... who?
    Knock, Knock!
    Who's there?
    Orange.
    Orange who?
    Orange you glad I didn't say GCACCAATGCACCTGAAGCTCAGCTTAA... again?
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  15. Abrosial Wild bananas by Zukix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What crazy westerner decided that everyone prefers the typical banana? I happily munched wild bananas while trekking in Northern Thailand and goddam they're like a different fruit. Unimaginably sweet, fragrant...amazing - like nectar. Not the bland lumps sold in UK supermarkets. They are small (offending western male self-perception) and probably don't travel well so thank-you evil corporations for 'deciding' that we prefer this genetically weak alternative so they can make a buck. I hope they DO die out and we 'stuck' with REAL bananas. Zu.

  16. super-banana by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Funny

    You fall down just looking at it.

  17. Here is the proper sequence by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dish > Banana > Ice cream > Chocolate syrup > Whipped cream > Sprinkles > Cherries > Spoon

    mmmmm...

  18. The things you learn about bananas by esme · · Score: 4, Funny
    Who would have thought that one of the most phallic foods was sterile and asexual?

    -Esme

  19. Triploidy \neq Asexual reproduction by MoobY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is not simply true that triploidal plants and animals have to replicate asexual. Cultivated bananas indeed do have 3 chromosomes of each of the 11 different chromosomes available. During meiosis, when two possible parent plants are creating gametes (think of sperm and eggs) by splitting cells with 3 chromosomes of each type into cells with either 1 or 2 of the 3 chromomes.

    In the next step, such gametes need to be fertilized, i.e., 2 cells, just like a sperm cell and egg cell, need to be fertilized and merged together. If this results in a cell with 3 chromosomes of each chromosome type, a new banana child can grow from this. But since gametes contain 1 or 2 of each type of chromosome, and they have 11 such types, there is only a 1/2^11 change that this sexual reproduction is succesful.

    Note that this only applies to the cultivated banana, as we know it from the super market. And you've probably never eaten a banana with pits in it. Bananas with pits exist, but there's only one in about 2048. These bananas can be used to create new banana trees, and they're different from their not-succesful bananas in that they are a lot smaller, and not edible, if compared to common cultivated bananas.

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  20. What will we do if it went extinct? by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think I'd go mad.

    Bananas even.

  21. Apples too by johnlenin1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In his book, The Botany of Desire , Michael Pollan devotes a chapter to the apple and discusses at some length a similar problem. Apple trees are grown from cuttings from older trees already known to produce tasty apples. (The seeds in any given apple are all completely genetically different from the apple they came from and will not produce a tree of similarly-tasty fruit.)

    Almost all the apple varieties we consume here in the States (Delicious, Gala, Fuji, and several other I can't remember) can trace their genes back to one tree from the 1800s. Whole industries are based upon this rather homogenous crop, and disease could be devasting. The current answer is heavy spraying of pesticides. Diversification of profitable appple varieties would be better though.

    Some of the pages from this apple chapter can be read online at Amazon (but not the most interesting ones, of course).

  22. Bananas Face Extinction by way2slo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I just read an article on how the rate of banana crop failures from pests and disease are at a current rate that they may be gone in ten years if nothing can be done to stop it. Genitically engineering more resistant bananas is one option.

    I can't imagine a world without bananas.