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Mobile Phone Abuse and AbUsers

Doctor Hu writes "The Economist has a story ("Think Before You Talk") describing a new range of mobile phone prototypes designed by Ideo to discourage antisocial usage - devices ringing in concert halls, loud proclamations that the caller is on his way home, etc. The first of the series uses electric shocks to condition the user to talk at a non-intrusive level; the others are similarly ingenious. Not intended to be commercially produced, just to provoke discussion (and provide publicity for Ideo, presumably). Nice comment at the end from one of the designers that for devices like mobile phones, "user-centric" design needs to take the needs of people nearby the user into account as well."

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  1. Does it... by Ransak · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... come with a way to zap anyone with a ringtone of 'Mambo #5'?

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    1. Re:Does it... by Mantrid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Seriously, there should be laws saying that all cellphones can operate in vibrate-mode only if in any public place."

      Seriously? SERIOUSLY? You think we need *more* laws for stupid crap like this? What is your justification? Because it annoys you? That's a justification for a new law? A noise made in public? What's next laws against talking in public? After all that might just annoying someone else - so they should be forced to write notes to each other, or work out a serious of winks and body groping or something.

      WTF, I can't belive that there are truly people that stupid in this world. It truly boggles the mind. I can only hope that you're a troll...please tell me your just a troll...

    2. Re:Does it... by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "...all cellphones can operate in vibrate-mode only if in any public place."

      Don't need a law.
      But perhaps there could be an infrared and Bluetooth code which tells cell phones "public space - vibrate-only mode". Another code which says "safety zone - ring phone and turn off, or change to pager-only mode".

      Timeouts would exist on the modes, of course...I'd particularly like theaters with timeouts linked to show ending time, so the show is protected and phones will unlock quickly even if I don't leave through the lobby (which should require passing through a short-timer zone which would reset phones of people who leave early).

    3. Re:Does it... by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to agree with Mantrid here. Personally, I find it annoying as hell when someone's phone starts ringing in the middle of the overpriced movie I'm watching, but a law isn't the way to go. Give the power to the individual business, they're the ones that should be mandating how their patrons should govern themselves. There's no need for a fine, kicking someone out of a movie they paid 8.50 for is punishment enough, and it doesn't bring Big Brother 1 step closer to controlling us.

      --trb

  2. HELLO!!! I'M ON THE... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 4, Funny

    AARGGGHHH! *sizzle*

    *cheers*

  3. It's a start, by OldStash · · Score: 5, Funny

    but in a truly perfect society, all phones would cut out after two minutes of monologue.

    1. Re:It's a start, by OldStash · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Nokia 8210's battery already implements something similar.

  4. Here's an idea... by Cinematique · · Score: 3, Funny

    If someone is bothering you with their cell phone chatter in a place such as a movie theater... "accidently" spill some of your cola on them. If cell phone users start to have some mild(?) public backlash, maybe they'll get the message. Too bad snacks and pop are so expensive at the movies... :(

    Can you hear me now? Good.

    1. Re:Here's an idea... by Darth+Maul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > If someone is bothering you with their
      > cell phone chatter in a place such as a
      > movie theater...

      How about just tell the person they're bothering you? What's wrong with us here in the US that we can't confront anyone anymore? Everyone has to just pretend that everyone is nice all the time, then of course talk about these people behind their backs.

      Just say something! You're not being rude; you're alerting this person to the fact that they are out of place in what they're doing. We'll all be better off.

      Yeah, I hate passive agressiveness.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea... by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'd think that'd work wouldn't it? I distintly remember, at towards the end of the two towers, one schmuck who no only didn't turn off his ringer on his cell phone, but actually had a conversation on his phone in the theatre. When I was paying $14 to see the movie. People shushed him, people even shouted at him, but he kept on talking on his phone.

      I'm sorry - if you're a doctor or something and have business that important, just get a beeper or use text messages or something.

    3. Re:Here's an idea... by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like what one of the local Movie Houses does

      The put up a short that says "There is No problem with you getting a phone call during the movie , we'll wait"

      An the footnote says that they will stop the movie, turn on the house lights, and wait

      The next slide then encourages the REST of the audience to pelt the offender with popcorn

      BTW The first time I was there after the notice went up, yep, someones cellphone rang. They stopped the movie, and started bring up the lights - you should see how fast the phone got hung up!

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  5. Baaad, baad, baad ideas. by secolactico · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "They are not for commercial use, but to stir discussion" (not a direct quote). Yup, just like a bad piece of performance art.

    Seriously, the only cure for bad mobile phone habits is common courtesy.

    I don't mind people using them in public places, but I regard those with loud ring tones and those who feels like the entire restaurant *must* know of them closing a million dollar deal, the same way I regard those who don't mind picking their nose of spitting in public.

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  6. Re:First Ammendment by ShavenYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The First Amendment isn't there to give you the right to be obnoxious, it's there to ensure you have the right to express your views without fear of government censure. If your intepretation were correct, noise ordnances would be unconstitutional.

    People forget the lesson of the man who died on the cross to preserve the American way of life.

    Oh, silly me. I thought you were serious until I read this part. Still, there are people who do think the First Amendment gives them a legal right to be annoying bastards, so I'll post this reply anyway, even though IHBT.

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  7. How about... by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... setting up licensed cell-phone free zones (such as concert halls etc) where phones cannot ring. The zones could have a small very low-power transmitter/scrambler that would inform/interrupt the cell phone so that it just wouldn't ring in those areas.

    1. Re:How about... by filmsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While that's a nice idea and I'm in favor of it, it's still a sad state of affairs when we need to enforce what should be proper ettiquite.

    2. Re:How about... by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There will always be people who "have" to be reachable for one reason or another - on call, babysitter, etc etc.

      A better idea would be to make people check their phone in the lobby, and having someone answer it for them.

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    3. Re:How about... by david.given · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ... setting up licensed cell-phone free zones (such as concert halls etc) where phones cannot ring. The zones could have a small very low-power transmitter/scrambler that would inform/interrupt the cell phone so that it just wouldn't ring in those areas.

      A better solution than just blocking everything would be to set up a microcell inside the theatre/concert hall/etc. Any calls to a phone inside the microcell get routed to the theatre/auditorium/whatever's reception, where a message can be left. If it's a genuine emergency, the message can be forwarded on.

      I gather this is actually possible, but I don't know why no-one's tried it.

    4. Re:How about... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A nice tech solution would be an interrupt message that explains to the incoming caller that the user is within a zone where cell phones work, but would not be welcomed. The caller then gets the option to allow a $1.50 charge to their phone to complete the call. Calling a doctor to an emergency is worth $1.50, calling little Jimmy to check up with him when he's out on a Friday night usually isn't.

    5. Re:How about... by Peyna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't have too much of a problem if your phone rings in a theatre, or a classroom or whatever; so long as you either then realize your mistake and turn off the ringer and answer the call later, or take it out in the hallway. It just bothers me when people have to answer the phone in class or whereever they are, rather than moving to somewhere that won't bother everyone else.

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    6. Re:How about... by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So make "dual mode"(ok, bad term, sorry) phones that will vibrate, but automatically transfers the call into voicemail - where there is _no_ option to answer it. Have this Pager-Like option enabled by a low power transmitter located in the building.

      That way the user could still have their phone and still be alerted that there is a phone call, but they wouldn't have to make any sound and could then walk out into a "Cell OK" area, listen to the message and call the person back.

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    7. Re:How about... by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I don't think so. If you are so necessary to civilization's upkeep that you have to be reachable 24/7, don't go somewhere that prohibits phones. A movie theater, a play, really anything where the audience is expected to be quiet, should be off limits to you. It's the price you pay for having the job/wife/child that HAS to reach you.

      Or you could just turn the damn thing to vibrate and keep in on your hip, like the rest of us do. That works too.

      --trb

    8. Re:How about... by the_machine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. And I'm going to hand my phone over to the pimply 16 year old behind the movie counter and then be laughed at when I ask the theater about these long distance calls on my bill.

    9. Re:How about... by Chasuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, no. Cell phones haven't existed for that long, and somehow people managed without them before their invention. They aren't a necessity, yet, for anybody, they are a convenience.

      My teenage daughter has a cell phone, and I certainly rest easier knowing that she can call me at any time, day or night, regardless of her location, but she, like the millions of young women before her, could live without one. Many are the times that her cell phone has come in handy, but a necessity it is not.

      A cell phone is like any other appliance: once you condition yourself to its use, you can't imagine not having one, but somehow you managed before, and could manage again. So the fat woman at the grocery store who just has to gossip with her friend while trying to write a check and neglecting to bag her groceries, the cell phone might be vital for her social life, but a pain in the ass for all of us who wait behind her.

    10. Re:How about... by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, you'd get into legal problems otherwise. What about doctors who have to be callable by their patients in case of emergency?

      This argument does not fly. I have a diabetic daughter, and know something about medical emergencies.

      In case of emergency, you call 911, NOT the doctor. An EMT and ambulance can be there very quickly. (I have two test cases of experience to draw on... 3 minutes to my front door, and at grade school, faster than both me and mom could even get to the school.)

      As for calling the doctor, it is a NON emergency. You call, and get either a nurse or answering service. The nurse, if available, may solve your problem directly. The doctor is paged and then calls you. (This means, she could step out of the theatre into the lobby.) Return call times vary. Usually takes a few minutes. Calls of this nature would be for medical questions or changes in medication dosage, etc.

      When the doctor is "on call", they know this in advance. They know what hours and shifts they are on call. I'm sure they plan accordingly as to cell phone and pager use.

      Finally, doctors generally rely on pagers. Not cell phones. Pagers have fantastic in-building penetration and coverage area where cell phones do not always. If you MUST be reachable when your Linux box detects that your Windows server has crashed again, then a pager is the thing to have.

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    11. Re:How about... by spasm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's been a device on the market for several years in Japan that does straight out blocking. Works by blocking the initial cell network -> handset 'are you there' signal rather than the carrier. Cost, from memory was ~US$500 per unit, and effective blocking range was in the 5-10 metre range. Very popular with restraunts, who advertise that they are genuinely a cellphone free space.

    12. Re:How about... by dietlein · · Score: 2, Funny

      Calling a doctor to an emergency is worth $1.50, calling little Jimmy to check up with him when he's out on a Friday night usually isn't.

      Little Jimmy,
      Thanks for the suggestion, but I still think it's a good idea to check up on you.
      Mom

  8. With apologies to Dom Joly by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

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    xxxxx
    xxxxx NO, I'M READING SLASHDOT.
    xxxxx
    xxxxx SLASH... DOT...
    xxxxx
    xxxxx NO, IT'S RUBBISH.
    xxxxx
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    xxxxx CIAO!

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  9. Re:Why would you buy this? by filmsmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe Slashdot should develop a keyboard that zaps people who obviously don't read the article before they post their thoughts.

  10. Re:Cell Phones while Driving... by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed this is a start, but the problem isn't holding onto something, try going down the road holding the phone up to your ear. For the most part, people only have/need one hand on the wheel anyway.
    The dangerous part is the lack of concentration. Handsfree adapters don't help this, if anything, make it worse, people have a subconscious tendency to look at the source of the audio when speaking...

  11. Talking in public by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can understand the frustration when folks talk in a movie theater during the show, or in an art gallery. At those times it should be right to express frustration and tell them to STFU (if they are or are not using a cell phone it doesn't matter).

    But a grocery line? A bus? A train? What the hell is wrong with using a cell phone there?

    I mean really - I never saw a parent staple their annoying brats mouth shut to stop it from yammering about how it wants that candy bar by the cash register - I don't see people duct taping their mouths on a train instead of conversing.

    If a cell phone user keeps it quiet, what the hell is the problem?

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    1. Re:Talking in public by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the problem is more the volume at which people talk on the phones. The number of times while commuting I've sat while somebody bellows at a mobile:

      "I'm on the train. ON THE TRAIN. YES. I'LL BE THERE IN FIVE....hello? HELLO..."

      is countless. Travelling on Connex southcentral was bad enough without having to put up with that as well.

    2. Re:Talking in public by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

      With me, it's not so much that they're talking, it's that I have to hear what they're saying. And 9 times out of 10 its:

      "Hey! Guess where I'm calling from!!!! McDonalds!! No, I'm SERIOUS!!"

      I mean what toothless rube is still impressed by this?

      Why can't I legally choke these people to death? Whatever happened to survival of the fittest?

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    3. Re:Talking in public by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is that any more annoying than a parent yelling at their child in a similiar place? Or perhaps a child crying on the bus?

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  12. What A Design Idea! by SamBaughman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The SoMo4 (the knock-knock phone) is a great idea, though. By being able to communicate not just that I want to talk, but the importance I place on the conversation, it makes it much easier for the other person to decide if it's a good time or not. Even for me, as a call receiver.

    "Caller ID" phone numbers are a bad method of determining priority. People call for multiple reasons, and people call for all sorts of devices... including devices owned by another person. Any method of letting me know that someone who I trust is there and wants to talk to me is good. The "secret knock" would be tremendously functional, so that someone could get my attention regardless of where they're calling from.

    Not that we explicitly need the "knock-knock" style, but if my cell phone provider always asked the caller "Select a Priority" before ringing me, and then letting me see that priority, it could enhance the experience for me. So when I'm just sitting around I can take those Priority-5 "Hey what's up?" calls, but when I go into the theater I could set my phone to reject everything but Prioirty-0 calls (which I would leave the theater take).

    There are all sorts of "permission" issues for things, but this can be handled with passcode-type answers (where anything above a certain level requires a code to be accepted) or automated system permissions (calls from hospitals would always be allowed to go to a higher level than other calls), without requiring me to identify based on phone numbers.

  13. Sounds like something to give to your enemy. by Mockura · · Score: 5, Funny
    The first of the series uses electric shocks to condition the user to talk at a non-intrusive level

    So, just wait for them to use it, then walk up next to them and scream, yell...whatever!

    You: "Hey, Joe!!!!"

    Them: "Wha? AAAARRRRGH!"

    You're happy, they're dazed, and all is right with the world!

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  14. Those would be really popular in the S&M commu by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 2, Funny

    *ring*
    "Oh no. It's Master. If I answer, I get shocked, but if I don't answer Master will punish me."
    *ring*
    "here goes nothing"
    *ZZZAAAAAAPPPPP*
    "Hello, I'm with Capitol One Visa and I'd like to talk to you about..."

  15. Re:First Ammendment by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Sorry for jerking like that, but for some reason I do that whenever a cell phone rings and I have no idea why. For some reason that started after dictating my mail replies to my secretary during The Two Towers. Funny that I can't remember anything before the nurse woke me the next day."

  16. Re:This was moderated "insightful"? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not ask first, call the usher second? They're clearly breaking the rules of the theater ("No Talking" is displayed rather prominently on the screen before each and every movie I've ever seen.)

    Instead of taking the law into your own hands, vigilante-asshole style, just get the fuckers kicked out. It's a much more satisfying feeling, and the chance you'll get your ass kicked severely is much lower. Also, you'll be acting much less like a 12-year-old.

    - A.P.

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  17. the problem isnt the phone.. by Maeryk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the user! Zapping the annoying Cell phone user in the theater wont stop them from A) letting their annoying screaming child run amok during the movie B) chatting at normal volume with the person next to them C) loudly snoring D)
    being generally obnoxious with their squeaky straw or nearly empty soda.

    We went to my son's 4th grade chorus recital last night. The family perched behind us A) let their 3? 4? year old child spend the entire half hour screaming to his (presumed) relative on stage, they carried on a conversation that came out louder on my camcorder than the singing, and when the kids did "hard knock life" with the snapping part, they got into a rampant (and loud) discussion of how to snap, and proceeded to practice throughout the rest of the show.

    Yes, I politely asked them to quiet down. No it didnt do any good.

    Its not the phone, its the jerk using it, and those same jerks have ALWAYS A) worn hats to theaters, B)jammed their knees into your seat (partially the theaters fault for building seats for 5' 100 lb people) and C) insisted on sitting dead center in a row of people and getting up three times during the movie.

    I would much prefer the devices be in the SEATS and controlled by a consensus of people in the theater.

    Maeryk

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  18. Non-intrusive ringtones by Gudlyf · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I was thinking about this the other night while at the movies. Why doesn't someone develop a ringtone that sounds like a person coughing? Coughing is a natural act that, unless happening repeatedly over and over, shouldn't cause someone at a movie to be pissed-off at you. Set your phone's ringtone to "cough", and that should at least help if you're not prone to setting your phone to vibrate, or OFF for that matter.

    The problem, of course, is making sure you always have the phone's ringtone set that way. Forgetfulness is the most common reason for ringing phones in movie theaters, I imagine.

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  19. actually by _avs_007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the most part, I'd say the accidents that were "caused" by cell-phone users were not "caused" by cell phone users. It may have been a corollary, but not a causality. They were caused by morons. Just because you are using a cell-phone doesn't make you a danger. Its the moron that's a danger. Doesn't matter if he has a cell phone, cuz these are the same people I see on my way to work who:

    Put make-up on while driving, looking into rear-view mirror whole time, instead of where they are going.

    Shave while driving.

    Floss while driving, steering with knees.

    Has kid sitting in lap, steering the car for them, while driving.

    Holding a drink in one hand, Big Mac in the other, and steering the car with their knees.

    Reading the newspaper while driving.

    Reading a Book while driving.

    Head turned around, scolding their kids in the back while driving.

    Drops cigarette in their lap, and are franticly searching for it, while driving....

    etc, etc, etc...

    PS: Who the hell looks at their cell phone while they are talking? I don't know about you, but I can't see my ears....

  20. Wearable Mobile Phone by Aloril · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Wearable phone with head up display, bone conduction headset and twiddler like 'keyboard' would allow non-disruptive use at theaters, etc..

    It could work like this: You get call. You hear it on your bone conduction headset and see on head up display. You type replies with twiddler and synthesizer converts text into sound and sends it to the person at other side.

    Other people might not even realize you have wearable phone and are 'talking' on it, see modern wearable computer example here.

    Downside: Don't see anybody with above like product out ... yet.

  21. Variable volumne ringing by psychofox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have often thought that it would be a good idea (and I mention in here lest someone patent it sometime in the future and make ludicrous amounts of money), to have ones phone monitor the background noise and alter the volumne of the ringer based upon it.
    i.e.

    In a quiet theatre, on a long distance train journey, there would be little ambient noise and the phone would ring quietly.

    In a noisy bar, or whilst walking near heavy traffic it would ring loudly.

    It would be trivial to implement - all phones have built in microphones after all.

    If I were able to write my own firmware and UI for my phone (i.e. If the APIs were available, and everything didn't have to be signed). This would be one of the features I would add.

    Of course there would be complications - what volume should be used if the phone were tucked away in a thick coat, or in a ladies handbag?

  22. Spider's Truth Bomb by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    What's funny is that now the non-phone users have become the assholes in many cases. I can understand not liking phone use in restaurants or movies, but the prissy indignation of some of the addle-brained losers out there has gone too far.

    Example: I was with a friend at a large home improvement center, and he phoned home to the wife to check on her color preferences for some mini-blinds. A lady nearby did the big, exaggerated sigh and shook her head.

    We're standing in the middle of a noisy, cavernous store big enough to have an independent weather system, and she's upset someone is using a phone. What's the difference between that and him talking to one of the store staff, or talking to me? I mean, the resident birds in this store have evolved into their own sub-species, sparrowus homedepotus. This store is big!

    I looked back at the woman and quietly asked, "What do you do when faced with a real problem?" She walked off in a huff, the big fat bitch.

    On the flip side, the same friend, who always claims talking on the phone does not distract him from driving called me from the road last week. In the middle of the conversation, the call is cut off. He phones back a minute later and said he had to drop the phone because he turned the wrong way down a one way street. Fortunately the nearest traffic was two blocks away. Doh!

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  23. Technological Solutions to Social Problems... by gidds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...just don't work. We've seen that with attempted copy prevention on CDs, we've seen it with attempts to fight spam, we've seen it with speed cameras, and a hundred other eexamplse.

    These technological solutions are blunt instruments; they prevent some valid (legal and/or moral) use, and they don't prevent some invalid use. Regardless of the morality of applying such blanket solutions, they simply don't solve the problem, even though they may help to mask the symptoms in some cases.

    The problem of inappropriate mobile phone use is little different from that of people speaking to each other loudly, playing digital watch tunes, or any other disruptive activity. As many others here have said, the problem isn't the phone; it's the user who allows the phone to sound and/or takes a call at such a time. It's entirely possible to set most phones so that the ring tone starts silently and slowly increases in volume; combined with a vibrating alert, I usually answer my phone (or reject the call) before anyone else was aware it was ringing. If only most other users applied similar consideration, I doubt options like this would be considered for a moment.

    The bottom line is that you can't force people to be considerate/moral/caring, neither with technology nor with the law. People must want to behave like that.

    Here endeth the lesson.

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  24. Good example of such a society by Snover · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For anyone that speaks Japanese, you might want to listen to the song by Ayumi Hamasaki entitled "Endless Sorrow". Much more convincing, however, is the music video. Try to find it on a P2P network, or email me for it ... it's a really powerful piece about big brother and laws exactly like this.

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  25. So when will they want to...? by cr0sh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    People must want to behave like that.

    Good point, but I think part of the problem should also be placed on the shoulders of our society, as well.

    Why are people so rude? What do you see people do when others are rude? I know when I have been in a theater, and a cellphone rings - everyone just ignores it, maybe a few groans are ellicited - but no one does anything. I don't know exactly where or when this sort of behavior among groups of people in public started up (I have a sneaking suspiscion that loud and obnoxious children being ignored by their parents may have something to do with it), but instead of those around the annoying stranger publically telling them to "get off the damn phone, moron!" - they are "pussyfied", and would rather sit and stew about it, looking the other way.

    Do we really want this issue to stop (and it isn't just this issue - same with loud people, loud kids, in general - unchecked, obnoxious, and sometimes dangerous - behavior)? If so, we as a society need to quit being subserviant, docile sheep and instead loudly proclaim our displeasure (in public) over the acts we witness. If enough people did this, over time people would realize that society frowns upon this behavior, and would not engage in it.

    After all, you don't see people running around willy-nilly punching people in the nose, do you (well, most of the time)...?

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  26. Uncommon Courtesy by rickwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've read through the posts here and I think I see what is confusing everyone:

    Most people, no matter their class or station, can only learn manners at the point of a sword. It has always been thus, and isn't likely to change in the future. This is why I believe in bringing back the Code of the Duel. It would also go a long way towards clearing out the frivolous lawsuits in the court system.

    All that being said, I think the proper way to handle especially rude cell phone users is to whip out your digital voice recorder and start recording their conversation. Consider:

    "So then I told them that Uncle Roy's sores were healing up fine. Wait.. Hold on, Betty... What are you doing?"
    "Just recording the ambient noise here for a music project I'm working on."
    "Recording?!? This is a private conversation!"
    "You're having a private conversation on a wireless phone in a public place?"
    "Why, I... Uh... I gotta go, Betty. This really rude person is standing behind me in the checkout line."

    Just like Colt .45 Malt Liquor, it works every time.

  27. How about... by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How about a cell phone that knows when the car is parked (or in driving mode). The cell phone would have an (optional) safe driving setting. When set and when driving, the cell phone would automatically go into voice mail and once in a parking position it would start ringing only once the car was safely in a parking position. This shouldn't be too hard to implement, when the power is cut off to the engine, there is already a small power variation going to the cigarette lighter.

    If this idea (or another idea) works commercially, my only concern is that the government might try to jump on it and make it mandatory. The government has the tendency to ruin good ideas. Eventually, our technological advances and our own self-interest in making our own cars safer will solve these kinds of problems (without coercion).