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Beyond Eldred v. Ashcroft
I thought I'd grab up some of the many commentaries and responses to the Eldred decision. If you read only one of these links, see Lessig's blog. Jack Balkin, another law professor who contributed to the case, is discussing it in his blog. The NYTimes has two distinct news stories on the decision (NYT1, NYT2), plus a biting editorial about the decision. Copyright scholar Siva Vaidhyanathan has a piece in Salon. The LA Times posts one of the very few stories to present the decision in a positive light. Reason is one of several to mock the mouse.
I stand in a sort of perverse awe, trying to grasp the 'reasoning' of Justice Ginsburg's opinion...utterly perplexed as to how six other justices signed their names to it when they had the exact text of how the ruling should have come down by Justice Breyer's hand.
I want there to be some good that comes out of Eldred, but right now I'm very disillusioned. So, I'm following Lessig's advice and turning to blogging. Let your opinions be known.
-R
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20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld
A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness
The Coming of Copyright Perpetuity
Is sharing a journal of all your daily thoughts and emotions the best strategy to employ in order to win a court case as a lawyer?
Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate. Ex-O'Reilly/MIT employee, now a full-time Google employee.
What boggles the mind is how little this really benefits the corporations. With rare exceptions (Snow White, Happy Birthday, and Gershwin), what percentage of content revenues come from old material? For record companies, a good year comes from a big hit created that year, not the old stuff.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
The LA Times Article was a gag-inducing personal piece. I loved how the law is supposedly for little people and their legacy:
To quote the woman in the article, about her grandfather's films:
"I'm happy that people won't be able to take his art and show it in a way that would diminish or hurt it, or put it in a way that he wouldn't have wanted," she said.
From what I can tell, she's mainly worried about people selling tapes on EBay. How horrible. People VIEWING AN ACTORS FILMS! I'm sure that's the last thing he wanted.
I'm glad this woman cares for his legacy. I commend her work. But in the bigger picture, her win is the loss for many of us. I'm sure in 20 years, when the companies go to congress asking for a longer copyright extention, there will be some other justifications.
But in the end, I'd rather see a legacy for all. No man stands tall except on the shoulders of others.
"The Sage treasures Unity and measures all things by it" - Lao Tzu
Except for Justices Breyer and Stevens, the Supreme Court has sold out. They have given their Nihil Obstat to perpetual copyright, and ignored the Constitution, no matter what they say in Justice Ginsburg's majority opinion. We can expect another Copyright Term Extension Act every twenty years. Citing this precedent, the Supreme Court will do nothing about it. I guess I should have expected as much from the Supreme Court that decided to throw out the results of the 2000 election, and coronate Bush.
Soon, no one but historians will know what the public domain even was. We are all the public domain, and have all been robbed. An idea once expressed belongs to us, and is only on loan to copyright holders. Now, the loan can last forever. Copyrights frequently do not even go to the artists, scientists, and inventors who do the actual creating, but to parasites who exploit them. From now on, as the public domain, we should all engage in "piracy" as a form of civil disobedience, and take back what rightfully belongs to us. To hell with unjust laws that the corporations bribed Congress into passing, and bribed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices into upholding. We, the public domain, must declare them null and void, and ignore them.
Imagine that the perpetual copyrights the corporations have created always existed. The King James Version of the Bible would be copyrighted. To print copies of it, you would need permission from the British Crown, or at least the Church of England, and would also have to pay them royalties. The KJV is so widely published because it is in the public domain, and anyone who wishes to may make copies of it. Now, nothing created after 1923 may ever belong to us all in this manner again.
It seems that Government of the people by the people and for the people has perished from the earth. We are left with government of the people by the corporations and for the corporations. I challenge Congress or the Supreme Court to prove me wrong.
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No, but they've already lost the court case. What's needed now is for the general public to become more aware of the issues at hand and a journal is one way of doing that.
...by Seven of Nine. Resistance was futile.
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When your really think about it, the fact that they are trying to prevent stories from enterring the public domain is even more hypocritical.
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Suzanne Lloyd has spent the last four years refurbishing her legacy: 26 films made by her grandfather, silent film star Harold Lloyd. She has spent millions on digitally restored prints and full orchestrations.
now i'm sure suzzie has worked hard for her digitally remastered films, but just because they were grandpa's films doesn't mean they're hers. it's been said over and over and over again. usefull art and science... to the creator... for limited times... NOT to the creator's grandchildren for decades to come for century old media.
I snail-mailed and e-mailed my Congresscritters yesterday. The short version of it is:
Something like that...
-l
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Read Balkin's blog. He thinks that the Eldred case can be used to get the DMCA declared unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds.
What has the congress done for the people... Most of the recent laws that were passed are all in someway or other benefits only the corporations. Looks like they are taking over the congress.
The chances of a pro-Eldred decision from the Court were always slim. The contest has always needed to be waged in the political arena: Convince enough people that this issue is so important that it ought to determine which Congressional candidates they vote for. That will be very difficult -- most Americans have more pressing needs than shortening copyright duration -- but it's the only way to go.
(It's telling that the Court went out of its way to explicitly state that the Constitution's grant of powers to Congress doesn't mean that Congress will always legislate wisely. Obviously, the Court is telling us that they won't declare a law unconstitutional just because lots of people think it's a bad law. They're right about that. )
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
That is the power we have, a power that is woefully un-utilised. Look at the power slashdotting has over websites that are unprepared. Imagine if that were translated into letters to representatives, letters to the editors, and dare I say it, votes. 'If we don't hang together, we shall surely hang seperately.'
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Like all laws, copyright law is a contract between members of the public. The agreement of copyright is that when someone creates something original, the rest of us are obliged to respect the copyright and pay fees for copies of the work for a limited time. At the end of that time, we the people will own the work.
It's the same as when you sign a mortgage contract. You agree to pay $xxx/month for 30 years and then the house belongs to you. It would be insane for Congress to come along 28 years later and decide that, because that house is still valuable to the mortgage company, your 30-year mortgage is suddenly an 80-year mortgage. The contract you signed 28 years ago is void, and instead of 2 more years of payments ahead of you, you have 52, then they'll do the same thing.
Yes, that would be insane. But the Congress doesn't think so and the Supreme Court doesn't think so. And that, my friends, is "government of the people, by the people, and for the people," as Americans accept it today.
Here's an idea: I've got to wonder if anything that Disney/RIAA has used something that if applied to their own greed would place them in violation. In other words, before fourty years ago the right was twenty years (or whatever it was). Find someone's work that fell into the public domain and should have "fallen back" if they had the same rules that the companies today have granted themselves. After all, it's only fair that they deserve the same benefit and attempt to sue the hell out of companies for "legalized theft." I know it's a long shot, but it would be great to see Disney's greed bite back.
Bel, the mostly sane.. "Of course I can't see anything! I'm standing on the shoulders of idiots." -- Me
Like the one where the shrink finishes examining Minnie, and comes out and tells Mickey that he can't find any evidence that she is mentally ill. Mickey then says, "Aw, shucks, doc, I didn't say she was crazy, I said she was fucking Goofy! ha HA!" (drumroll)
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1st off, the moral and historical foundation of property derives from the fact that not everybody can use something at the same time, not from monopolies granted by a king in return for not publishing bad things about the monarchy
2nd, copyrights are a fraud in that they don't help creators that much. Often you'll hear it cried from the rooftops that the artist is king and that anybody who finds a need to copy is a self centered brat that offers nothing of value to society. Perhaps this is intentional as to distract from the fact that for every artist that makes it big, 10000 are in dirt poverty.
3rd, they are worthless as a free market property right. If I said I had no incentive to grow apples unless I could plant them in your yard, or I said that I had no incentive to grow cotton without owning slaves on the plantation - people would see it as the worthless arguments that they are, but if I say I have no incentive to bring things into the public domain without a copyright monopoly - they just take it on faith, they don't even question it. If the govt gave someone a monopoly on growing peaches and then called it free market because he could buy and sell shares of that monopoly - people would see it for what it is, a fraud. The same is true with copyrights. Since peoples activities have a natural limit in supply and demand, and not information, it is the activities that should be equated to market value and not information.
4th, information is so easy to copy and manipulate that we are quickly reaching a point where either all of it must be controlled or none of it. The copyright industries know that and so should you.
There was a long article in the NY Times earlier this month (relating to the expiration of copyrights in Europe) stating that record labels made significant portions of their revenue from stuff issued before the 90's--
For instance, if I rememeber correctly, the label that owns the rights to Maria Callas's recordings gets 15% of their revenues from her alone... And she's been dead for decades
For many film, record and book companies, it's the back list that provides the strong base to their revenues--a hit this year may turn out profits, but that's only because the stuff they did 20+ years ago is keeping the lights on
The "other" CTEA challange is Golan v. Ashcroft which has been on hold while Eldred v. Ashcroft was being decided.
The CTEA took some works which were previously in the Public Domain in the US and restored their Copyright. Golan, a conductor, lost the use of some compositions which were formerly in the PD in the US. This case will now procede.
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I wish that were true.
Unfortunately, ever since the Berne Convention intellectual property rights have become enmeshed across international borders.
The signatory nations have agreed to respect the intellectual property rights granted by the member nations. That effectively makes international copyright law the sum of the most restrictive versions.
Of course, if another country strongly disagrees with something, their enforcement could be minimal. That is really all we have to hope for.
-Michael
Threshold RPG
The job of the Supreme Court is to implement and enforce the constitution. This document states that Congress has the authority to protect copyrights for a 'limited time'. Virtually any amount of time, provided it is explicitly named, can properly be called limited.
Whether this law is wise or not is another matter. If the Constitution prohibited Congress from passing unwise laws, the Supreme Court would be striking down laws as fast as Congress could pass them.
If you don't like it, the proper thing to do is complain to your representative in Congress. It these guys thought they'd lose even 1% of the vote by doing this, they'd turn around so fast you wouldn't see it.
Allow me to summarize this "biting editorial":
1) The Supreme Court's decision that extensions to copyright were constitutional really just favored copyright holders. Holy fuck, no kidding?
2) Even the defense didn't really think that the laws Congress passed would be declared unconstitutional, but they still tried.
3) The public benefits from public domain. Also, an unsupported assertion about how the public domain is a "great democratic seedbed of artistic creation" is put forward. A fine sentiment, whatever, still nothing "biting".
4) The author concludes that this is a setback for the public domain, and adds some doom and gloom nonsense about how it's the beginning of the end for it.
Come on, people. Is this what "biting" has come to mean these days? No fucking way.
"Biting" would have been to call Lawrence Lessig a bumbling idiot for presenting such a ridiculously weak case to the Supreme Court. "Biting" would have been to further berate him for his self-serving commentary that basically boils down to "well, gosh, I knew I wouldn't win but I had to try. Ain't I such a great person for trying? Now, it's your turn. You go fix the problem."
What a chode. Opponents of the DMCA and other copyright extensions had a great chance to make a compelling argument about the benefits of the public domain, and Lessig fucks it up. How many similar cases do you think will make it before the Supremes now? That's right, ZERO. It's called a precedent and it now works against us. Thanks, Lawrence.
Moving on to other potential targets, a "biting" editorial could also have noted that Disney, who has drawn heavily from public domain, is downright reprehensible for refusing to give anything back.
Similarly "biting" remarks could have indicated that the Disney films which drew most heavily from public domain material (Beauty and the Beast, the Little Mermaid) have been enormously successful, while those which come from the febrile, impotent imaginations of the hacks at Disney (Pocahantas, many others ad nauseaum) tend to do quite poorly.
One might also "bitingly" observe that if Disney would just throw these harebrained plots back into the public domain pool and let them profit from others' efforts for a decade or so, by the time Disney ripped them off once more they might be halfway watchable.
Such a "biting" editorial could also have targeted those jackals in Congress who routinely sell out the public's interest in these matters to Disney and other megacorporations. Fuck you, Senator Hollings.
I prefer a little more bite in my "biting" editorials, thanks all the same.
Here's a tip, Michael: if you're going to throw in snide, jackass remarks and unsolicited observations, at least do everyone the courtesy of making them reasonably intelligent.
"Biting editorial" my gangrenous left testicle.
The NYTimes editorial characterizes public domain as an experiment, and criticizes the decision for making it likely to end. The reality is the opposite: property rights to ideas and expressions were an experiment. The natural law is that you can only take property if by "taking" property, you deprive the owner of the use of the property. For example, if I steal your car, or your money, they are not available to you to use. Except in the most colloquial sense, I can't "steal" an idea, or a tune, or a movie plot, because doing so does not remove it from the use of its originator. It is a shame that we Americans on the whole appear to have basically come to believe that our best interest is served by simply giving up any hope of having individual Rights and Liberties in favor of having the government infantilize us - sorry, care for us. Bleah!
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What I can never get over is how incredibly inexpensive it is for these companies to massively influence legislation. From another excellent Reason article, linked from that marsupial interview:
Say it with me in your best Dr. Evil accent: "One *thousand* dollars!". And from Disney's bank account? Boy, that's gotta smart. For that matter, why are the legislators and parties affected in the least by these paltry sums? They may not be paid huge salaries, but they can't be that broke. If this is all it takes to get laws passed, perhaps all we need to do is take up a collection. Even I can afford $1000 for some juicy bill.
(The same thing impressed me with the Salt Lake City / IOC scandal - so you can get your own Olympics for a few pizzas now?).
Heh, I submitted a story about this last week, but Ed said "no way dude"
NY Times article I submitted
Non NYT article:
Copyrights Expiring in Europe
Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
At this point and for the near future, I suspect that getting the copyright situation corrected will be pretty much impossible. But maybe there is something we can hope for, a form of copyright reform that doesn't cross Disney too badly.
Proposed: The owner of a copyright must be actively engaged in "use" (publication, distribution, derivation, etc) of the work, or it goes into the public domain after a period of 14 years. (The original copyright term)
Unfortunately it "allows" Disney to keep their works effectivly eternal. But at least it minimizes collateral damage. Disney's IP isn't that big a chunk, it's all of the other stuff that gets taken out of the public domain in Disney's quest to keep Steamboat Willie that's the real crying shame.
Really, my suggestion to be an official sanction for the "abandonware" concept and applies it more generally. In Disney's interest, it keeps works going into the public domain for them to harvest. To Disney's dismay, it forces them to do something about, "Song of the South." OTOH, it also gives them an out, because it lets them release it and pass the blame onto new copyright law.
From what I understand, copyright law allows libraries to copy during the last 20 years of the copyright. IMHO, there are two problems with this. First off, we don't really know when the last 20 years are, because none of us doubt that there will be another extension when Steamboat Willie's copyright next threatens to expire. Second, nobody is served by allowing a work to languish for the extra 50-70 years under allowed under current law, compared to my proposal. The public isn't served, and since the work has been abandoned, the copyright holder isn't being served, either. Perhaps we can question exactly *how* "promotion of the arts and sciences" are being served by eternity-minus-one-day copyrights on active works, but on inactive works it clearly isn't.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Granted, the fact that the **AAs have a tremendous amount of power in other countries, but as recent rulings in other countries have shown, their courts are more willing to protect the rights of individuals over the rights of corporations. So while we may lose the battle here in the States, the "world war" may have a far different outcome.
So, I guess what I'm asking, off-topic, is why the hell is Disney not re-issuing movies that were actually very good, instead of releasing crap every 4 months?
Actually, Disney does re-issue movies on VHS and DVD every few months. But Eisner still isn't getting any of my business unless and until Congress repeals the Bono Act.
Will I retire or break 10K?
The French reduced the term to 50 years (for books, films, music) in 1985, and so far as I understand this has been adopted across Europe. (In any event, the healthy industry of independant reissues which this decision spun also flourishes in Spain, Austria, the UK,...)
Of course as the limit now approaches the beginnings of the LP era, the RIAA is starting to call this piracy.
It should also be undestood that "Copyrights" (or "Author's rights" as they call them) have a different meaning over there. For one thing they belong to the author forever -- publishing companies cannot buy them as part of their contracts.
(The day they can be bought is probably the day we'll hear a clamor to extend them in order to "protect the artists" :-)
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Two editorials today get it right:
Opting Out of Hypermass
and this one, which ran in the printed edition but on the WSJ site is only for paid subscribers, but appears for free on Yahoo! (go figure)
0.2% For The Mouse
Ok, I am not a lawyer and I am not even an American so I'm talking out of my ass here but:
1. Before the SBCTEA (Sony Bono Copyright Terms Extension Act) copyrighted works were owned for a duration of N years (for simplicity) and then it was public domain (owned by everybody) from N+1 to the end of time.
2. Since the SBCTEA the "contract" (a very solid contract, it was signed in a law) about the copyrighted works that were produced before its enactment has changed and twenty years that were by this contract owned by the public domain (everybody) have been "seized" by the government* and given to somebody else.
3. The US constitution says "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." (fifth amendment)
Unfortunately, the government has grabbed public property (public domain) for a private use so it probably doesn't apply but couldn't there be a way to argue something along the line that by taking these twenty years out of the public domain they have to compensate the American public for the value of what they have taken because it wasn't theirs?
In other word, they give N years to some private party and the rest to everybody else and then they go back on their word (only talking about retroactive extensions here) and take back twenty years that they had given to everybody and give it to the private parties, shouldn't they compensate everybody else for doing that???
Wouldn't it be worth a try to nail them on that? Imagine, given that they would have to compensate you justly (that is, for at least the amount what they have taken was worth) they would have to compensate you for each time you purchase a license to that copyright (say, a tape or DVD of Star Wars Episode IV) or, to see it in another fashion, these works (from 1926 to 1996 or whenever the SBCTEA was enacted) would be tax deductible
Even if this doesn't work (quite likely), if it went far enough (say, it wasn't thrown out of court from the go) it would be a good way to attract the public to the fact that a retroactive copyright extension is the government indirectly giving their money to big companies.
Ok, somebody will probably point out why this is stupid but at least I will have it out of my chest.
*It can't be argued to be government's property so they can do whatever they want with it given that they have to put copyrighted stuff they write in the public domain because they can't own it themselves.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
This has got to be a troll, but i'll (briefly) reply.
Your line of reasoning seems to be to compare intellectual property with normal physical property, where in a socialist society, physical property is often nationalized, versus in a capitalistic society, where property belongs to its owner in perpetuity (except in certain situations, such as the right of eminent domain, but I digress...).
The reasoning is wrong because intellectual property is _not_ analogous to physical property in several very important ways:
1) Intellectual property is non-rivalrous. That is, unlike the car in your driveway, if you share a song, or the text of a book, or any intellectual property, you do not lose your ability to use it.
2) All creativity somewhat depends on the creativity of others who have come before. Are your ideas truly ever yours alone?
It is because of these two reasons (and others, i'm being very brief) that the framers of the constitution believed that the rights to intellectual property should not be in perpetuity.
There are certainly many other cases where the greater good of society as a whole is deemed to outway the "rights" of an individual to do whatever they please, hell, that is the basis of all laws really. In the case of copyright, the benefit to society of a striking a balance between creating a financial incentive for creators to produce new works, and making it possible for others to continue the "progress of the arts and sciences" is many times greater than the benefit produced by treating IP as other property, and allowing creators of works to forever control any derivative work (and everything, everything is derivative of something.) It has nothing to do with socialism.
"When I was in school, I cheated on my metaphysics exam: I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me"
There are four major candiadates for worst bas guy here, and I'm curious who would pick which (and i have my own ideas):
Now, whatever you think of the Court, they're the only one in the list that didn't act of financial interest. My guess is the majority simply did not take the interests of the petitioners seriously, and vaguely relied on what's left of fair use to sweep up.
The Disneys greedily acted in the interest of profit, which is exactly what they're supposed to do in capitalism; their shareholders could rightly toss them out for taking a pass on billions in revenue. Arguably they only exploited the opportunities available, assuming they didn't outright bribe anyone. Remember, soft money regulation is a recent accomplishment.
The President
Sorry to be cynical (unlike Congress), as no one has mentioned it, but it did not hurt that the act was named after a tragically dead Congressman/singer and sponsored by his widow.
I blame the Congress first, last, and foremost. It should have been obvious that the extension was not in the public interest. I don't know how well anyone lobbied against the act, but the politicians should have taken a close look at a decision involving billions of dollars and backed by a handful of very wealthy sponsors. That Congress has so many members makes it difficult to focus on whom to blame. That they passed the act by voice vote (I didn't know you could do that) during a time of national distraction was a craven and venal act.
I'm not saying I'm surprised Congress didn't do a better job. Which brings us to the vital need to get money out of politics.
So there. Talk amongst yourselves.
It is absolutely necessary to interpret the meaning behind what is said in the constitution. When this is done, people often accuse a judge of "legislating from the bench." But what if Congress had passed an extension of 100 billion years? This, according to the literal language of the Constitution, counts as "limited". If the judges agree that 100 billion years is too long, then the extension not only has to be limited, but effectively limited. This obligates the judges to decide what is an "effective" limit.
There is no hard and fast rule, so the judges have to decide. The Constitution makes it necessary to decide exactly what "limited" should mean, and it does not grant this power to Congress. What "limited" is interpreted to mean will have a drastic impact on what counts as Constitutional or not, but this does not imply that the SC can avoid making this decision. They are obligated to make this decision. In fact, they have made the decision. Their decision is that even an extension of 100 billion years would be permissible.
Now, something that most people miss is that there is a very easy way to weasle out of this. The Constitution says that Congress "may create limited monopolies." It never says what Congress cannot do. But again, the intention of the framers is paramount. The people writing the Constitution enumerated an ability of Congress. Taken literally, there is no limit applied to this ability. But they clearly intended there to be a limit to this ability. If no attempt is made to divine the intentions of the founders, then SC will leave themselves with very little work.
It's clear in his historical study that the granting of a copyright was intended as a two way deal between creators of works and the people. They get a limited time period (originally 14 years) of exclusive use to profit from, after which the public gets the benefit.
The only reason for the Government to originally issue the exclusive period is the payoff that the public gets it once that period has expired! If the public is not going to get access to the works in a reasonable period of time, than the government has no purpose in granting them the exclusive right to begin with.
Of course, since the Government now (mostly) only cares about the interests of the few who have their ear, most of them will never submit to the simplicity of this logic and we are probably stuck with a sham of a system.
Why couldn't I just have created Barney (TM) so I could be on the other side of the fence looking out!
Keep passing the open windows...
I am not as disillusioned as some are here. I think that the SC has done something interesting which is not to draw a line-- to simply say that Congress did this because they wanted to have uniform standards with the EU. This is not an issue of perpetual copyrights to the court at this point.
:-)
If in twenty years, they extend copyrights again, then it should be abundently clear to the courts that this is going on, then they might overturn both.
I agree with you that the SC is trying to avoid making policy, and that they were simply not convinced that this was an attempt to circumvent the "limited times" clause. Maybe next time.
However, the real problem is not one that CAM be solved in the courts-- if we had won, we would still have excessively LONG copyright terms. This MUST be solved by going to Congress. This means that any time a proposal os floated, to call, visit, and/or write your congressmen (remember to do this to all three). Also organize, publish, and otherwise educate people as to why copyrights, while necessary, currently are afforded too long a term. Organize, educate, activate, and then we win.
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The LA Times gives a good example of an advantage of extending film copyright. The grand-daughter of Harold Lloyd is spending a lot of money restoring and digitizing Harold Lloyd films. Without copyright protection, there's no way this could have been done since the guarantee of a return on the investment goes to zero if people can simply share the restored files over the internet.
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Posted on a message board, after Suzanne announces DVD will not be available yet (emphasis mine)
And another:
It goes on and on. A lot of Harold Lloyd fans are feeling stiffed by the trust, it seems.
I would be naive IF I HAD ACTUALLY SAID THAT. Of course they pay taxes, which President Bush and others would like repealed.
Copyfight has the best set of links I found regarding the Eldred case.
Since the problem seems mainly to be corporations being giving the same right to copyright protection as individuals, I thought a little rant on corporate personhood would be appropriate.
Many folks don't know two facts regarding corporate personhood:
1) The American revolution was in large part a revolution against the Govt. supported practices of large (British) corporations. In post-Revolutionary America, corporations were far more limited and were established primarily to serve the public good, as one can see from the various state laws regarding corps, the interests of stockholders was supposed to be secondary to the commonweal.
2) Corporate personhood was established in 1886 (Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad) without debate by the USSC, either by accident in an extraordinary example of judicial activism (sources differ) that has in many ways set (non-incorporated) individuals back to the position wrt to Corps. that our forefathers rebelled against.
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Now it's pretty obvious that the framers never intended corporations to be given the rights of personhood, and thus the ability to extend their copyright far beyond the lifetime of the author.
But so long as the little slip the 1886 court that let corporations demand the full protection granted 'all persons born or naturalized' by the 14th Amendment remains unchallenged, the domination of mere mortals by immortal corporations is likely only to get more and more extreme.
If a copyright is to be like real property, tax it annually to pay for the social cost (courts, jails, derived works defferred or never made, researching and negotiating rights, inefficiency, etc.). And let anyone put it into the PD by paying the owner the self-assessed value. Suddenly corporations might not be so eager to hold onto many IP hot potatoes. And if people fail to register IP and pay tax on it, it becomes PD immediately. The bargain of monopoly for a limited time has been broken and this remakes that bargain in a new way. Oh, and don"t enforce foreign copyright unless they pay this tax too (self assesment might need to be done for each country if this went worldwide).
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
So you must not agree with Breyer's interpretation of the 1790 copyright "extention" not being retroactive at all but being necessary for the creation of US copyright? You must also not agree with the other dissenting opinion that sharply notes that copyright was designed for authors, not their hires or the rather insightful grasp of how this is a raw deal for everyone but current copyright holders?
Your primary beef here is that you think that restricting the will of congress as regards copyright is "legislating from the bench". That's pretty silly, given the long history of the court doing just that with copyright and patent law. This was a review of a law that congress passed that seems to violate the letter and spirit of the constition. It is the supreem court's duty to examine every law for consistency with the constitution as such inconsistency effectively ammends the constitution. Constitional amendments take much more effort and consent to pass than ordinary laws so no law may violate the constitution. Legislating from the bench generally involves creating whole new branches of law or prescribing specific action. This review would simply have tossed out Mickey Mouse's copyright protection. It would not have set up new offices for administrating that removal, it would not have required the raising of taxes or dictated their spending and it would not have created any kind of new laws. That's far from "legislating from the bench," and in fact it is exacly what the supreme court should do.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.