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Credit Card sized 5GB HD to arrive late this year

An anonymous reader writes "PC World reports in this article: "The card actually has moveable parts inside its thin shell," says Bill Heil, vice president of StorCard. A spinning wheel made of Mylar is engaged when the card is inserted into a StorReader, a USB-connected drive or PC Card that reads and writes to the StorCard. The reader is expected to retail for under $100 and the cards for under $15 each, Heil says. The StorCard and StorReader are scheduled to become available in the second half of 2003."

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  1. Brings new meaning to by yatest5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    filling up your credit card with hard disks...

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  2. size .. by jest3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so the drive itself is actually the size of a PC card at the minimum .. as you need the media and the reader together to constitute a drive ..

    1. Re:size .. by dizco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Er, and you need a PC card reader to put the pc card in.. and a computer to put that in.. and some way to power the computer.. hell, this thing ain't that small. It barely fits in the back of a pickup.

  3. It's about time by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about time that large amounts of affordable portable storage becomes available. $69 for a 128MB UBS key chain was just too much.

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    1. Re:It's about time by jimhill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not necessarily true now, either. The article says that media will be available from 100MB up to 5GB. Any takers that it's the 100MB card that sells for $15 with the 5GB "model" going for several hundred?

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  4. Big enough for DVD by ultrabot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't they about the right size for containing a movie with pretty decent picture quality? One could imagine using these in preference over DVD-RW, provided that set top boxes that can read these become available. At least they are not too "encumbered", unlike DVD's.

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    1. Re:Big enough for DVD by Quaryon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't find anything to say how fast these drives are, and whether they could sustain the speed of transfer necessary for a DVD movie.

      Also, the article says they start at 100Mb and go up to "as much as" 5Gb, so that price of $15 may just be for the 100Mb version, at which point it doesn't sound quite so attractive.

      Q.

    2. Re:Big enough for DVD by Quaryon · · Score: 4, Informative

      This site mentions a 5Mb/s transfer rate which I guess would be more than enough for DVD movies.

      However, it says that this figure is for the 100Mb version and that it "scales" to the 5Gb version. What does that mean, I wonder? It will be 50 times faster for the 5Gb version? I don't think so, somehow - 50 times slower? That might be pushing it for DVD usage at 100Mb/sec..

      Q.

    3. Re:Big enough for DVD by forgoil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering how often I break cards, well, I hope they will be more durable.

    4. Re:Big enough for DVD by karnal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, doesn't the DVD spec top out at 10mbits/sec?

      If they're referencing a 5mbit/sec transfer rate (minimum, mind you), then the media would have no problem sustaining a divx transfer, but would probably puke on most (if not all) DVD-spec'd files.

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    5. Re:Big enough for DVD by Max+von+H. · · Score: 3, Informative
      I personally don't recall the storage capacity of a DVD, but I thought it was lower than that, on the order of 5 GB

      You're wrong. Well, you're right if you're talking about DVD-R which has a maximum capacity of 4.7GB but pressed DVDs can contain a LOT more (up to 17GB), considering they can be multilayered and double-sided whereas DVD-Rs are only SL/SS (Single Side/Single Layer).

      Here's a table representing the various combinations and respective capacities (googled the info from this page):

      DVD-5 (SS/SL): 4.38 gig (4.7G) of data, over 2 hours of video

      DVD-9 (SS/DL): 7.95 gig (8.5G), about 4 hours of video

      DVD-10 (DS/SL): 8.75 gig (9.4G), about 4.5 hours of video

      DVD-14 (DS/ML): 12.33 gig (13.24G), about 6.5 hours of video

      DVD-18 (DS/DL): 15.90 gig (17G), over 8 hours of video

      DVD-RAM (SS/SL): 2.40 gig (2.58G)

      DVD-RAM (DS/SL): 4.80 gig (5.16G)

      As you can see, we'll have to wait a bit more for a solid-state competitor to the DVD...

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  5. At long last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspect that Duke Nukem Forever will be released using this new media.

  6. Coming Not So Soon by DASHSL0T · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cmdr Taco's grammar checker to become late 2007, at the earliest.

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  7. Old Commercial, New Twist by slide-rule · · Score: 5, Funny

    Trip to the ballpark with teenage son: $25.
    Trip to computer store for card reader: $100.
    Trip to radio shack for odds-n-ends: $30.
    Look on son's face when he cracks into the secret pr0n cache on your new credit card: Priceless.

  8. Cool but Scary by GabrielF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cool, but it scares me a little. At $15 a card, how much of our personal information will we be forced to carry around in our pockets? Take for example a national ID based on this card, it would have enough memory to store your medical information, financial information, school information, etc... Reminds me of Gattaca

    1. Re:Cool but Scary by October_30th · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Take for example a national ID based on this card, it would have enough memory to store your medical information, financial information, school information, etc...

      I already have my national ID card with me at all times (euro driver's license in a wallet) and yes, a cop has the right to request that I identify myself with it. If I refuse and they have a probable cause they can drag me to the station for identification. So what? Complaining about a national ID is just a lot of hot air about how the sky is falling.

      I sure would like to have all my medical, financial and school information in my pocket at all times too. You could go to any doctor and get a prescription without having to carry your dead-tree medical history file to prove that you do have this and that chronic problem. In fact, to solve this problem they are already planning a national health database to which every doctor has an access. IMHO, this is only a good thing. Having your school information and financial with you should help with job interviews (they can download your certified school and job history on site) and banking (credit ratings on the card).

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    2. Re:Cool but Scary by gazbo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I should've known some retard would start yakking about privacy. Jesus, if the government mandated you carried a single card (not even smartcard) that had a barcode, they could look up your data on a central DB and get gigabytes of data about you. But they don't.

      Now you're given a system for transporting porn and mp3s, and suddenly you think that the government is going to say "to hell with a centralised database, we'll make everyone carry their own data. Hope nobody breaks it."

      Hey, I hear that tinfoil hats protect you from harmful gases - try wearing yours then sticking your head in a gas-oven for an hour - it really works!

  9. cheap media, expensive reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its amazing that they are able to fit that data density and functionality (realtime encryption/decryption of data) into something the size of a credit card for 'under $15', but the reader is about $100.

    I wonder if they could fit their technology into a Compact Flash I/II format - it would give IBM's micro drives a run for their money.

  10. Re:StorReader by batemanm · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the storcard website these cards have a datarate of 5Mbytes/sec the rotational speed is 3600 rpm and the average access time is 15 msec. All taken from the overview of the StorCard from the campany website.

  11. Re:Credit Card sized 5GB HD to become late this ye by IPFreely · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Please come with me, or you will become late.

    "Late? Late for what?"

    "Oh me, I never was very good at threats. Come with me or you will become late, as in 'The late Dent Arther Dent'."

    Maybe they are planning to kill off the technology.

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  12. Compact flash anyone? by MrMickS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real driving force for small, portable, removable media is not the computer industry but the photographic one. Do I care if I can carry around a credit card sized disk if all I can use it in is a computer? Compact flash storage prices are coming down and capacities are going up. How long will it be before they reach the multiple GB mark?

    I don't see this as being a major player unless it gets adopted my a photo manufacturer. That's only going to happen if they can demonstrate write speeds to match solid state devices.

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  13. yet another format by jas79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many drive does a computer user need to read every type of disk currently avaible on the market?

    There are just to many. what good is a disk if you cannot exchange it with your classmates or collegue's.

  14. and the RIAA levy.... by Craig+Nagy · · Score: 5, Funny

    will raise the price to $200?

    Cause obviously this thing is going to hold my entire mp3 collection...I don't see any other use.

  15. Encryption built in by Excarnate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article says

    Amazingly, within the card is an on-board processor containing integrated software controls that can encrypt data securely in real time.

    so I went looking and found the StorCard website. It says

    There are two types of cryptography logic; a PKI system providing authentication logic, and a block encryption algorithm, such as AES. The encryption keys for both the cryptography engines (supporting 1024 bit keys) are stored in local RAM, which is not accessible external to the card. All data on the StorCard's recording disk is encrypted and block encryption is done "on-the-fly".

    What I am less thrilled with is their emphasis on storing biometric data and trying to get what they see as a huge amount of money being spent on ID cards.

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  16. Durability, and data backups...? by Sodakar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At $15 per card, the price is definitely right, but I wonder if your data is safe... No, not in a data security point-of-view, but in simple mechanics and durability.

    It helps that the r/w head is not contained within the card itself, but I wonder how resistant it is to dust, flexing, and people simply sitting on it. Such cards are begging to be placed within a wallet, where guys like me will sit on them...

    Side note: With RSA's solid-state SecurID cards, I typically see about 1 out of every 15 get broken from what users perceive as "normal use". Interestingly enough, both men and women manage to break them from "accidentally crushing it" -- I had imagined that most of the broken cards would come from men putting it into their wallets and sitting in them, but it seems women put their cards in purses, and purses get stepped on and what-not quite often as well... (small sample (500) though, so here's your grain of salt to go with the data... :)

    Which brings up the issue of backing up the data... On a USB 2.0 bus, backing up 5GB's is not that bad, but on a USB 1.1 bus, a full backup would be quite painful... I suppose daily backups/synchronizations would help, but as you know, we humans love to procrastinate...

  17. Please parse the topic for me by guacamolefoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Credit Card sized 5GB HD to become late this year"

    So...:

    1. Is it coming late this year, or
    2. Is it on target but is going to become late sometime later this year, or
    3. Is it going through a transcendant, life-changing experience sometime during this year, or...

    GF.

    GF.

  18. Re:Not for use in a laptop? by GlassUser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I usually appreciate your insight, but this is not one of your better trolls. Mylar is so light it's used to make solar sails, but so flimsy they have to deploy it in space, becase gravity will tear it. I don't think you'll be able to spin the disc ("platter"?) fast enough to gain significant rotational inertia.

  19. This could really boost smart cards by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this StorCard is what it claims to be, and if it's sufficiently durable and reliable, it could just be the technology that finally makes smart cards really widespread.

    Why? Well, one of the major things holding smart cards back has been the fact that, in most cases, consumers have no interest in them. All kinds of fantastically-useful applications have been dreamed up, but nearly all of them fail because the infrastructure costs are astronomical, and blow the business case out of the water. This card, however, offers significant value to the consumer, enough that people will be willing to pay for the cards and to buy and install readers on their home computers. There will still be significant costs to build the software, the host-side systems, deploy kiosks and terminals at stores, doctor's offices, etc., but the cost of cards and home readers are a huge burden, and this could lift it.

    The Storcard web site has a PDF with "Technical Specifications", but it appears to be slashdotted or just not there, so I can't see what kind of interfaces the card supports. I would really hope they'd include an ISO 7816 (smart card) serial interface in addition to the high-speed interface. They're claiming the card has a processor for crypto and access control, which is critically important. The one other major question in my mind is durability -- is this a card that is expected to be carefully inserted inside a digital camera and then left there except to be occasionally (carefully) placed in a PC-attached reader? Or is it something I can keep in my wallet, sit on, run through the washing machine, use as an ice scraper, etc.?

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    1. Re:This could really boost smart cards by Digital11 · · Score: 5, Informative

      From StorCard.com: The StorCard has the flexibility and form factor of a credit card and conforms to ISO 7816-1 including mechanical flexibility along the longitudinal and transverse axis without damage to the IC or the magnetic recording medium.

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  20. Re:Isn't this a FLOPPY ? by gylz · · Score: 5, Informative

    They have a very interesting white paper explaining how they`ve managed to make HD compliant disk without having it in an airtight sealed container. Clever stuff.

  21. Re:Credit Card sized 5GB HD to become late this ye by Quixadhal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Grammer odd not, I think.

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  22. More correct Douglas Adam quote: by tbspit · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Come," called the old man, "come now or you will be late." "Late?" said Arthur. "What for?" "What is your name, human?" "Dent. Arthur Dent," said Arthur. "Late, as in the late Dentarthurdent," said the old man, sternly. "It's a sort of threat you see." Another wistful look came into his tired old eyes. "I've never been very good at them myself, but I'm told they can be very effective."

  23. IT IS A *#$&ING DRM CARD!!!!!! by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    within the card is an on-board processor containing integrated software controls that can encrypt data securely in real time.

    The increased concerns with information security for consumers, enterprises and content owners

    bind information to a particular application or device.


    Security & Intelligence - industry's first intelligent media with the ability to authenticate an individual and his own data, to encrypt and secure the data, and to enforce policy information on how and when the data may be used

    StorCard uses a combination of storage, processing and security technologies, packaged into a convenient credit card form factor. An on-board processor with integrated software controls authentication encrypts data securely and executes policies that manage the data. The information is stored on the integrated high-capacity rotating storage volume. The result is a 100% secure, environment that allows individuals, enterprise and content providers to transact and exchange information safely and comfortably wherever and whenever it is needed.

    (a) the encryption logic and keys are unique for each storage medium or unit, (b) the algorithm and the key can be economically changed without compromising legal access to the content, and (c) information pertaining to the algorithm or the key is always kept secret, and is never made available or communicated over a public channel.

    the security logic can be programmed to allow access which is time dependent or for a predetermined number of accesses after which the key and the data in the storage volume is randomly ERASED.


    mailto:info@storcard.com

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  24. To good to be true? by jesus_watkins · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It seems to good to be true. The company's website seems to be very short on real details. Although the product could be real. All of the photos appear are mock ups.

    From the website it suggest the card only contains the disc plus some simple electronics. The actual motor for the device is held in the reader.

    But there are already PC card hard drives that can hold 5 GB of space. So if you are going to have to put it in a PC card adapter each time you want to use it then the size benefit is cancelled out.

  25. Why USB? by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, why USB? Why do I have to use an external connector and external device for something that I'd much rather have inside? Why not a 3,5"/' (damned imperial system) bay slot as a reader? And if it comes with internal processor and all, why not use it as a removable network drive? Users stuff their creditcard into the reader, machine reads stored username and key, compares it with domain server, grants user access to his or her network files while having 5gb for other programs...

  26. Re:Not for use in a laptop? by Sargent1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rotational intertia (or, as I've always heard it called, the moment of inertia) is indeed a property of the object, just like mass is a property of an object. Its value depends on how the mass is arranged, though -- a solid disk and a hoop which both have the same mass and radius don't have the same moment of inertia.

    You're right that angular momentum depends on rotational speed (omega), but it also depends on the moment of inertia. That's the I in your formula.

    Nevertheless, as another poster pointed out, the mylar disc is small (moment of inertia goes up as you put more mass further away from the rotational center) and lightweight, so angular momentum effects will undoubtedly be tiny.

  27. Only half right. by srvivn21 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Erm. Mylar is also what film (as in what goes through the projector at your local megaplex) headers are made of (the actual film is usually polyester).

    Some speakers have their active surface made of Mylar.

    Light, yes. Flimsy, not necessarily.