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Michelin to Include RFID Transmitter in Every Tire

An anonymous reader writes "According to the RFID Journal, Michelin (the tire manufacturer) has announced that it is planning on embedding RFID transmitters into every tire. The article states that 'the microchip stores the tire's unique ID, which can be associated with the vehicle identification number.' Let the privacy invasion begin!" If they're going to embed electronics in tires, I wish they'd start with tiny pressure gauges. (See also this story from a few days ago about the coming surge in RFID tags.)

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  1. One good product deserves another. by Chmarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the first products I can see coming out of this event is little EMP generators that allow you to detect, then blow the living daylight out of the RF circuitry in these things. Remember... any good transmitter is a good receiver, too... find the resonant frequency of this receiver, and you can pump enough energy into it to melt the traces.

    Instant privacy.

    1. Re:One good product deserves another. by namespan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the first products I can see coming out of this event is little EMP generators that allow you to detect, then blow the living daylight out of the RF circuitry in these things. Remember... any good transmitter is a good receiver, too... find the resonant frequency of this receiver, and you can pump enough energy into it to melt the traces.

      Mmmm. But will it be legal? Or could you be found guilty of circumventing (or distributing equipment to circumvent) a certified consumer protection device?

      (I'd invoke the DMCA here, but I can't imagine how in the world even it could be used).

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  2. Swaping like grocery store cards by Fluid+Truth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, are we going to start seeing people swap tires with each other? I'd read the article but it's already dead. Is swaping tires going to become illegal without re-registering them with the new vehicle? It'd be pretty cool to have whoever is tracking this see most vehicles in four different places at once.

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  3. So how is this a privacy issue? by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The manufacturer already knows which VIN goes to who. The bank knows the VIN of the car since it issues the loan. Your state government knows the VIN of your car when you register it. Your insurance company knows your VIN and everything about your car from it. Everytime you bring your car to the dealer they they note the work done by your VIN so the manufacturer can notice any major problems. So how is this going to take away from your privacy?

  4. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best use I could think of for this would be for those drive-through beer and liquor stores. Every time a car drove through, you could record the ids' of its tires. Then, if the customer bought cigarettes, you could store the tire ids in a database of cigarette buyers. You could sell this database to health insurance companies for a fortune so they could bust people who made fraudulent claims about being a nonsmoker on their health insurance and deny them benefits.

    Man, this is a terriffic idea.

  5. F1 cars have pressure gauges by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and they actually use spread-spectrum radio to communicate the level back to the driver in real time.

    Cost a lot more then RFID tags, I'm sure.

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  6. uh... don't be dense by IBitOBear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you car is "suddenly" equipt with five (don't forget the spare) transmitters that each broadcast a unique serial number in response to a promiscuously broadcasted request, well, that is "bad" from a privacy standpoint.

    Now associate those numbers with your VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) which uniquely identifies your car.

    Your VIN is already connected to things like your name, address, insurance carrier and so on.

    So now you are driving down a street and any number of automated systems can know it is you (well, your car at least). So you have essentially been tagged like a spring buck.

    Worse, but more interesting, a well equipt "ring" of duck-and-squat or similar con artists can now "interview" your car to see if you've got good rip-off potential.

    Authorities can target and track you. Who needs racial profiling? The cop is asleep in his car when an alarm goes off to tell him someone meeting his favorite criteria is driving by. How about "that car is owned by a white person" listing getting your black roomate killed for borrowing your car?

    Far worse than that, the piece in question is easily accessable.

    If systems (toll booths etc?) start using this data for any purpose then I could "swap out" one of your tires and drive around "as you", possibly for days. When was the last time you *really* looked at your passenger side rear wheel? How about your spare?

    In even legitimate cases ("Sure Clem, you can borrow my snow tires for the weekend...") of transfer you could become identity-entangled with who knows what...

    Being made "trackable" is always a rights issue.

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  7. Re:The Law, and they do! by Fazlazen · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The TREAD (Transportation, Recall, Enhancement, Accountability and Documentation) Act requires tire makers to track all of their tires in case they need to recall them. Blame Congress, not the tire makers.
    Personally, I would like it if I went into my car dealership (Jiffy Lube, whatever), and when they scanned my tires they said "Hey, these have been recalled". With all the recalls that are out in the market today, there is no central authority (that I could find with a quick Google, anyhow) that shows all the recalls. Even if there is, I doubt that most people are bothered enough to check every day for things that could be affecting their lives.

    The Ford Explorer tragedies were horrible. My friend's cousin was the fourth documented case in the state of Florida. If implementing technology like this can save one life, I say go for it!

  8. Some Points on Effectiveness by mmol_6453 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some points:

    First, I've never heard of police cars being equipped with live OCR equipment. First you'd have to be able to single out the license plate text from that of the neighboring car, or a road sign, or even a piece of litter tumbling across your Line-of-Sight.

    Second, the only reason to have such live OCR would be for aid in automating vehicle tracking. While the ACLU (or international counterparts) would be quick to try to plaster attention over this, people already consider it common.

    Third, searches through public databases take time. It's not like they'll be able to identify you the moment their computer gets a lock on your identifying characteristic. Local caching would be prohibitively expensive for your average police department, no matter what the size of the city.

    Fourth, there's really no range limit on how far away you could detect these things. Your effective range depends on the power being broadcasted at, and the sensitivity of your instruments. It being a digital signal makes the matter a heck of a lot easier.

    Fifth, it might be possible to fry the RFID device by feeding it so much RF power that its circuitry melts. (I know I'd certainly try if I had tires or clothing that had these devices. I'd go park next to a high-power radio tower for a few hours.) There'd certainly be a market in devices capable of high-power directional transmissions. The devices are probably already illegal.

    Sixth, the government is going to have a hell of a time passing laws prohibiting unlicensed transfer of RFID-enabled devices. And I can tell you that laws regulating the sales and transfers of something so common as tires (and, later, clothing, shoes, etc.).

    Seventh, if you need an alibi, intentionally broadcast one of your RFIDs at, say, forty watts. (Talk about getting around a lot!) Or just send someone driving around with your RFID clothing, or driving around in your car.

    Eighth, 1984 should have been titled 2005. People don't take it seriously because the things it predicted didn't happen by 1984.

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    1. Re:Some Points on Effectiveness by mlyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A few points about RFID.

      RFID is parasitically powered from the interrogating device. Powering it from a long way away on a moving target seems hard.

      Also, you'd need to be able to distinguish from multiple transmissions on the same frequency to recover the serial number. A very high gain antenna (parabolic dish) still has a beamwidth of >= 2 degrees. Being able to power the RFID devices from more than 10 feet away, and also receive the return signal, without giving everyone cataracts from the microwave exposure seems like a hard problem.

      Most RFID systems are not truely RF based, but are magnetically/inductively coupled at a relatively low frequency. These are not going to have any kind of range at all, and a high gain "antenna" (directional electromagnet) would be huge.

      Finally, vehicles move. Even a speedy RFID tag that transmits at 12kbps takes 1/46th of a second to send a typical 256 bit message (serial number + checksum + overhead). It takes 5-6 times this in practice to power the tag, interrogate it, and receive a response, in which time the car has moved >10ft at 60MPH. So even if you could have an ultra-high-gain antenna, it'd have to be significantly steerable, too.

      I'm not very worried. Compared to a license plate/VIN this is nothing.

    2. Re:Some Points on Effectiveness by cuteintern · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree- Your license plate is easier to access, especially at 65 mph. As far as dealerships, since tire theft is a problem, the ability to prove a tire came from a specific car (on a specific lot) would make criminal prosecution much easier. And as far as criminal prosecution goes, if someone stole my Michelins (and, likely, the nice rims they were mounted on) I would want every chance to track the tires and prove they were mine.

    3. Re:Some Points on Effectiveness by Ella+the+Cat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've never heard of police cars being equipped with live OCR equipment. First you'd have to be able to single out the license plate text from that of the neighboring car, or a road sign, or even a piece of litter tumbling across your Line-of-Sight.

      Congestion chargingin London starts soon, cameras read your car number plate, if you don't pay five pounds (~$7.50)for entering London (details in article) you get in trouble.

  9. Michelin chip bah! THIS other chip would be useful by r00zky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the end of the article there's a link with info about a chip that measures pressure and temperature of the tires:
    http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/view/93/1/1/
    That enables the driver to know when the pressure of one particular tire drops below a certain level
    Note: at the time of posting this the page seems ./ed :( anyone got more info about it?

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  10. Re:Easy to disable by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just use an icepick to perforate the chip

    Of course, you do need to find the chip first. Those things are getting really small at this point.

    and soon enough with OCR traffic cameras will be able to record your passing. So anonymity in public is a fleeting thing anyway, and the Fourth Amendment won't stop it.

    I hate this argument, every time I see it. I agree that with the current technology, it is becoming eaiser to do this sort of thing, but why exactly should we adopt the attitude of "roll over and accept it"? The only way privacy issues will ever gain any traction now, or in the future, is if we start fighting them where we can. The idea that privacy is already gone and we should "get over it" is absolute idiocy.

    Also, it is easy enough to buy tires anonymously by using the green stuff.

    You're forgetting that the shop, which installs the tires, collects all of the information about the customer. (VIN, name, address, telephone number). Unless you mount all of your tires yourself, which is a real pain without the right equipment.

    In my not so humble opinion, this whole monitoring and tracking thing is really turned on its head. The govenment is there to serve the people. Not the other way around. If anything, we should have tracking devices implanted in all govenment officials, and in all govenment equipment, such that, any one who wishes to, could log on to a web site and track any and all govenment resources, except where it might create a real national security issue.

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  11. Not a big deal by djupedal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked in the tire retail channel (consumer & commercial) for 5 years. Every tire already has a unique id...this is just an improvement on the process.

    This will allow for improved tracking of products and product defects/hazards. Nothing new in terms of associating a tire with a car or owner. In fact, if someone steals your tires/wheels, you just might stand a better chance of recovery.

    The black helicopters already have enough means to track you...they don't need help from the tire industry.

  12. Look what happened to me by grundie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work for a software firm, who were based in a large building and with multiple tennants. To control access to our part of the building we were issued with contactless swipe cards. Which are a sort of crude, low power RFID system.

    We thought they were purely for access control, but we were in for a surprise. The management had fitted special sensors at the toilet and cafe doors as well as at the drinks machines and smoking rooms. We had no idea management had done this, we just though new heating control thermometers were being fitted.

    Once our bi-monthly productivity appraisals came round we were presented with a detailed breakdown of our movement round the building. I was asked why I made 12 visits to the coffee machine in one day (all drinks were free) and why I once spent more than 10 minutes in the toilet,

    What management had done was turn the securty cards in to tracking devices. Basically if we went within 4 feet of these sensors, it was logged. We had always assumed that the cards had to be within 2 inches of a sensor to be recognised, not so aparently. This whole setup was implemented to try and achieve productivity gains, in fact it did the opposite. A lot of people spent more and more time on the toilet for some reason and other people developed a habit of forgetting their cards and having to get security to release the doors remotely.

    The moral of the story is what started as a innocent security system, turned in to a tracking system which caused people serious stress. I know my employers are allowed to know what I do on their time, but having to justify my toilet habits is my idea of how such technology as RFID systems can be misused. Incidentally, the system was switched off after the unions got on the case.

  13. Easy to disable by T4D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If RFID tags where in everything, and the govt. had RFID readers everywhere, then I might be a little concerned. However, even if RFIDs where that pervasive, it would still be easy to become invisible to all those RFID scanners. Just microwave all your clothes. As small as ther are I cannot imagine an RFID tag being able to remain intact when hit with a large EM field. Tracking down and disabling RFIDs in your vehicle shouldn't be that difficult either.

  14. How easy/hard is it to mess up a RFID? by bizitch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lots of lamenting about privacy here - and I totally agree.

    But - does anybody know how to simply/effectively fuck these things up?

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  15. I think a RF pulse (microwave) would do it too by xtal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From what I know of RFID chips, they use a tuned tank circuit to power the return pulse. A relatively strong signal close to the device should easily be able to reduce this circuit to a ruin without hurting anything. I think this is similar to how the tags get disabled that they put on clothes to prevent shoplifting.

    If these are in my next $1600cdn set of Michelin Pilot Sports, I'll have a circuit to disable them on the net in the summer. I didn't buy those tires 'cause I like driving 55mph.

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  16. Re:who ordered this? by barryp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you wanted to track cars, It'd be even easier to just put the RFID chip in the license plate itself - which you are not allowed to swap freely like you can do with tires.

  17. Refuting some common arguments by n-baxley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People are saying who cares:
    1) You have to be 2 feet from the tire.
    2) You already have license plates
    3) This just IDs the tire, not you
    4) No one cares about you

    Now I'm not a paranoid freak, but these are just stupid arguments as I'll demonstrate.
    1) When you pull through the drive through at McD's and the Bank, you are less than 2 feet and sit there for quite some time. McD's might like to now that VIN #12345 always orders a BigMac, and by linking your VIN to you, they know what you like.
    2) Yes, but license plates can not be read without direct line of site, by a computer, for little or no cost.
    3) This ties the tires to the VIN of your car, which IDs you.
    4) The government may not be trying to track me down, but companies would love to have a way to track their customers.

    Let's all not get too paranoid, but at least think things through.

  18. Sorry but... by Chicane-UK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..I find this whole 'my rights online' and the associated paranoia hilarious.

    Pretty much every excuse ever given for not having measures like this introduced into products, relates to not getting caught breaking the law!

    Not only that, but it is extreme paranoia.. for example, how do you go from talking about RFID tags in tyres, right up to saying that people will be able to view on the internet whose house you parked at, or which garages you were filling up at? It just wouldn't happen.

    But what about the plus sides? Could RFID tags in all of your tyres, if matched to your VIN number (and consequently your name and address) be useful in tracking stolen cars? Considering the apparent breach of 'my rights', I think that is a pretty useful advantage.

    As far as I see it, in all of these cases if you dont break the law then you have nothing to lose. I am not saying that I dont break the law (who can honestly say they never have) but never to the point where I have risked going to jail, and never to the extreme that I am worried about getting caught.

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  19. How long till they act like Lexmark? by ToastyKen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long will it be before the car authenticates the chip in the tire so you can only use authorized brands of tires? If a third party makes a compatible tire, the car manufacturer can sue them for "hacking into our Tire Management System"....

  20. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Interesting how this article now appears on the same page as a story about a military EMP weapon which destroys electronics with microwave pulses. I predict a rise in business specializing in the "sanitization" of items which have embedded RF tx devices.

  21. Too Bad The Way Around That Won't Work With Tires? by Interrobang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A friend of mine has a grocery store card and a credit card, incidentally, in the name of his SCA persona. Scary thing is...Lord So-and-So has better credit than he does -- and more grocery store points -- and he never gets telemarketing calls... (Name changed to protect the devious, of course.) Now how does one take that lesson and apply it to tires?