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Bitstream To Donate 10 Fonts To Free Software World

21mhz writes "Posted on FootNotes: The GNOME Foundation and Bitstream Inc. announce long-term agreement to bring high quality fonts to Free Software. Ten fonts will be released for use under a special open license agreement, giving advanced font capabilities to all free and open source software developers and users. Read the full press release for more details." Modification and re-release (under a different name) is explicitly allowed, too.

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  1. Most of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've got lots of fonts already; I've got Adobe fonts, Bitstream fonts, Microsoft fonts, etc.. I just wish that the default configuration on my Red Hate 8 box didn't make them all look like crap.

    Honestly, I'm glad that Bitstream is a good enough community player to donate these. Only problem is our community is served a whole lot more by quality than it is by quantity.

  2. You know you're a geek by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know you're a geek when you get excited about the release of new fonts.

  3. fonts types vs anti-aliasing by Knacklappen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't confuse font type with the way the font is displayed. Linus is not very good at displaying the fonts, unfortunately. Anti-aliasing is far off the Windows standard. However, even the best font would be affected that way. So, getting professional help with designing new fonts for Linux is great news. Just read this story and attached comments again, in case you do not agree at once.

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    1. Re:fonts types vs anti-aliasing by chrisseaton · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linus is not very good at displaying the fonts

      I don't think you can directly blame him :)

    2. Re:fonts types vs anti-aliasing by Knacklappen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Linus is not very good at displaying the fonts, unfortunately.

      On the other hand, Bill isn't too good at this, either. ;-)

      (Just making fun of my own typo.)

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    3. Re:fonts types vs anti-aliasing by fault0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Six months ago, I'd would have agreed with you that font rendering (especially AA) in X was not up to font rendering in Windows. However, since then, Xft2 has come out, which offers even better sub-pixel antialiasing support than Microsoft Cleartype. I'm currently running xft2+XFree86 4.2.99 on gentoo, and the fonts look better on my lcd than in WindowsXP.

    4. Re:fonts types vs anti-aliasing by jandrese · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I've always thought that the big advantage of Windows antialiasing is that it turns off when the text is small enough. Every time I try to enable the antialiasing in FreeBSD/Linux, I discover that the mechanism to disable antialiasing below a certain pixel size is either broken or nonfunctional. Antialiasing small text makes it fuzzy and hard to read.

      As a caveat, some people always hate antialising. Even in Windows they dive right for the "Smooth Edges of Screen Fonts" checkbox. All programs that antialias should include a simple method for disabling it, or you are going to annoy some of your users.

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    5. Re:fonts types vs anti-aliasing by BrookHarty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm currently running xft2+XFree86 4.2.99 on gentoo, and the fonts look better on my lcd than in WindowsXP.

      The big difference, In Windows any application will use AA fonts by default. In Linux, your application needs to have AA compiled in via a supported method. Gentoo does this better, as its a source based distro, you configure it yourself. Redhat has to precompile the source with AA enable (via its supported methods).

      Lots of dependencies on Linux, makes it is much more difficult to enable and use AA fonts. Also helps if you know what methods to enable, and configurations. (I dont have them, do you? Is your method the best? Is it a hack? Was it the correct supported procedure? Did it break anything?) Ugh. Good job for Redhat for trying to make it easy for the average/newbie linux user.

  4. 10 fonts /IS/ a big deal. by Vengie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please save the "ohh but its only 10 fonts" comments.
    The microsoft world does very well with ARIAL, COURIER, and TIMES NEW ROMAN.
    (Actually, most of the personal computing world does fairly well with these fonts)
    I used CHICAGO, TIMES and BOOKMAN exclusively for years on a Mac LCII.
    The crux of the issue is that these should be high quality fonts. THAT is a big deal. Kerning is a huge pain.
    "ae" vs "lk" vs "ld" vs "dl" vs "kl" -- spacing changes more than you think. Amen, hallelujah...now lets just see how they look.

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    1. Re:10 fonts /IS/ a big deal. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Informative
      The microsoft world does very well with ARIAL, COURIER, and TIMES NEW ROMAN.

      Indeed, and according to Fontilus Bitstream were the people who made these fonts.

      I think people don't realise how hard it is to make good fonts. Arial is a huge project in and of itself, simply getting the fonts looking good at all sizes is hard, and then you need glyphs for other languages and alphabets.

      It's hard. 10 fonts is an amazing gift, if they are of high quality. I think they will be, Bitstream are good.

    2. Re:10 fonts /IS/ a big deal. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm a doofus. Monotype Corporation made Arial.

    3. Re:10 fonts /IS/ a big deal. by Eightlines · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amen. I think the cynicism in these messages is uncalled for. Bitstream at one time produced a great product that embedded fonts into the website while making sure they were restricted to the domain they were posted on. They've shown awareness of Type Designers copyright priveledges. They led the way to a W3C proposal. And now I have to read comments about the possibility of the fonts being released being "crappy"?

      Months ago another font article was written about MS pulling their fonts from their site. The /. crowd wrote that more people should create fonts and release them to the opensource community. Now that we are getting them this is what you respond with?

      10 Fonts (not typefaces, fonts - there is a difference) that are properly designed can take years to produce. There is no science behind fonts, its an art. Its something type designers take very seriously and its a whole different geek culture. Sure we have Arial, Courier, Helvetica, but one typeface is not good in all cases. Think about how many different typefaces you have seen in Newspapers, TV, Film, etc. For each their own purpose. If people can learn to apply the styles of good typography to their projects then we all benefit through better legibility, readability, and aesthetic means.

      Personally, I really hope one of the fonts is Stone.

  5. The best thing would be: by pyite69 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Sets of fonts that are the exact same size as the
    standard Microsoft fonts (e.g. Arial). This is
    one of the key problems when trying to export
    files from Open Office to an MS Word user - the
    fonts end up not matching correctly and things
    look funny.

    My $.02.

  6. Hehe... by Chicane-UK · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can imagine Microsoft doing something like this.. a totally out of the blue, unexpected gesture, getting everyone really excited.

    Then they release ten variations of webdings.. the press release says "Try rendering your pages using THOSE on Mozilla!" :)

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  7. And the fonts are... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Helvetica WayTooNarrow

    2. Jesse Ventura Bold

    3. Another Godamnned Star Trek Font

    4. Cthulhu HyperItalic

    5. Penis Extra Small

    6. Fertilizus Dungbats

    7. Douche Medium

    8. Bush Wacky Wingdings

    9. MS AntiTrust

    10. End Times Extra Dark

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  8. Will it become 20 fonts by miracle69 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When this story becomes a repost in about 8 hours?

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  9. Show us your Bits!(tream fonts) by King+Babar · · Score: 5, Informative
    Anyway, here's the only screenshot of the newly free fonts I could find. Now, in an attempt to be nice to this guy's server, I'll make you cut and paste this one:

    http://tieguy.org/fonts.png

    Pretty decent stuff, in my opinion.

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  10. Absolutely! by melquiades · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know you're a geek when you get excited about the release of new fonts.

    No kidding.

    Of course, if I were posting this from a Linux machine, I wouldn't be excited, because I wouldn't be able to fucking read the story.

  11. Re:What's the point? by FooBarWidget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem isn't free fonts, the problem is high-quality and Free (as in freedom) fonts. Sure you can download I don't know how many free beer fonts from the net, but they are either 1) not freely redistributable or 2) for fun only; not optimized for actual ready or 3) low-quality.

    BitStream is donating high-quality AND Free fonts here! So soon we will get Linux distros with high-quality fonts out-of-the-box.

  12. STIX Fonts by white-mj · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you heard about STIX?

    The STIX fonts are going to cover all of Unicode.

    Maybe I'll never again see "?" for every non-ASCII character. Now, *that* will be useful.

    From their site:

    The STIX mission will be fully realized when:

    * Fully hinted PostScript Type 1 and OpenType font sets have been created.
    * All characters/glyphs have been incorporated into Unicode representation or comparable representation and browsers include program logic to fully utilize the STIX font set in the electronic representation of scholarly scientific documents.

  13. Re:Could Apple donate TTF's in return for KHTML? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Apple seems to have benefitted from the free software community by utilizing KHTML for it's new browser. Could it return the favor by donating some of it's TTF's for use in Linux/Xfree?

    Other than the fact that Apple have released very little stuff they developed themselves, they'd have been better off giving FreeType an unlimited license to TrueType hinting, instead of forcing them to develop an auto-hinter. It wouldn't have even cost anything, I don't know how much they make out of these royalties but I doubt it's much. Yet they do not.

  14. Fonts and copyright by ortholattice · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It seems to be little-known fact that fonts and typefaces are not protected by copyright. The only thing that can be copyrighted is any software underlying the generation of fonts, such as software that interprets hints and presumably the hints themselves. This is how e.g. TrueType fonts achieve some copyright protection. However if you're willing to live with a set of fixed point sizes you can freely copy and use the bitmaps they place on the screen, to create your own font collection, as I understand it. (This is my take on what I've read; IANAL.)

    There is a movement underfoot called TypeRight advocating copyright protection for fonts. The site also explains some of the copyright issues.

    It interesting that the lack of copyright protection has apparently not hindered the creation of a wide variety of fonts.

  15. Screenshot by hysterion · · Score: 4, Funny

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  16. What about Adobe PDF Base fonts? by dmeranda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a VERY welcome bit of goodwill by Bitstream, especially considering how IP paranoid most font foundaries usually are. I do hope that they encode the fonts to allow embedding and subsetting (as many "free" fonts in the past have inadvertantly dissallowed that). Also I hope these fonts contain the full Unicode repertoire (as much as makes sense), and not just the Latin-1 subset.

    But I am still anxiously awaiting Adobe to release free versions of their Base PDF fonts. Adobe always makes a big deal about the PDF format being "open" (albeit completely controlled by them). But the one MAJOR non-open component of PDF are the non-open base fonts! Sure the font metrics, aka AFM files, are free (but they hide them very well in the bowels of their ftp site), but not the font outlines.

    Come on Adobe, please follow Bitstream's lead and release your base PDF fonts! You can't claim PDF is open until you release the fonts. (Perhaps the same goes for Postscript which has a larger set of Base/Mandatory fonts?)

  17. Re:Why aren't there more good Free fonts already? by DuBois · · Score: 5, Informative
    As the first manager of support for Fontographer, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot longer to make a quality font than you might think if you've just fiddled with Fontographer a bit. You can make a simple, low quality font in a couple of hours. To make a publication-ready font probably takes a month at least; three months for one that is completely hinted with all the Eurpean characters, etc. etc. etc. etc.

    But Your Mileage May Vary, and it's been awhile since I've actually made a font (1993 was the last time I went throught the complete process).

    If you want a complete Unicode font, well, then all bets are off, since those can be huge.

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  18. Some information/clarification about the agreement by jg · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ok, folks, here a bit more information for you.


    1) We hope a preliminary version of the fonts will be available next week for download, but no redistribution. They still need some work; consider this a beta test.


    2) We hope finished fonts will be available in a month or so, after Jim Lyles (the font designer) has finished them up. We need a few changes: the font family Vera is derived from (Prima) has "0" and "O" too hard to distinguish, and similarly for "1" and "l", given our often technical audience.


    There is also some work on hinting, etc, to finish up.


    When finished, they will go under a copyright which allows you (roughly) to fold, spindle, and mutilate the fonts, so long as you change the name to something else, and you can sell them so long as you don't sell them by themselves. You can sell them with any software whatsoever. You can freely redistribute the fonts anywhere, anytime, unmodified under that name.


    The sale provision is that Bitstream does not want other font vendors to just drop the fonts into their font sale mechanisms and sell them, something they are giving away.


    I can't say I blame them.


    3) the coverage of these fonts is roughly western european; there is the possibility of some fonts in the future with wider coverage, but as that those fonts are not yet complete, I don't want to say much more, as their availability is much less certain.

    4) You can get a good idea of what the fonts look like and what the coverage is by the following URL (once the slashdot effect allows Bitstream to recover).


    http://store.bitstream.com/searchresults.asp?sea rc htext=Prima


    Now you know where the name Vera comes from :-).


    5) the agreement also covers potentially adding characters to the family under the Bitstream Vera name, but Bitstream (and Gnome) reserve the right to approve the additions: we want to *know* when we open fonts of these names that we have what we expect. Feel free to hack to your hearts content under other names, however.

  19. Re:Some information/clarification about the agreem by jg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fonts look pretty good even with the Freetype hinter turned off: part of the reason why is that we do anti-aliasing these days. And the autohinter in freetype continues to improve (which also avoids the patents).

    And Linux is even more important/likely to get to serious volume in parts of the world where the TrueType patents do not apply: they are only US and Britain.

  20. pfaedit? by marm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to say that what Linux really needs is a free top-notch vector font editor, something along the lines of Fontographer.

    You mean, like pfaedit? It's almost a carbon copy of Fontographer, and very good it is for editing fonts too.

    The tools (pfaedit) have been usable for about 18 months though, but still no-one is having a serious go at fixing fonts. I don't think people realise just how much time and effort goes into a font. My day job is as a graphic designer, I draw things all day, mostly using vector graphics, so I like to think I have a handle on what I'm doing and I can draw with curves quicker than most. In a past life I put together a couple of typefaces for a corporate client, and this is from my experience of that (I used Fontographer to begin with, then switched to Fontlab later on because Fontographer can't do TrueType hinting worth a damn - I do wish pfaedit had cloned Fontlab).

    To go from nothing but an idea to a set of outlines covering iso-8859-1, that's about 4-5 days of solid full-time work - for a fairly simple sans-serif font in regular weight - add another day each for bold, italic and bold italic, add some more on if it's a more complicated style of typeface. Getting the kerning (spacing between characters) right is another couple of days work if you want it perfect.

    Then, the nightmare part - hinting. Hinting... let's just say it's about as fun as pulling teeth without anaesthetic. To get good results on-screen, you need to allow about 2-3 hours - per character. If you want it to work correctly on more than one platform, double that. Fortunately lots of characters in the iso-8859-1 set are compound, formed of a letter and various accents and so forth, so you can just copy and paste these, but still you can easily end up spending several weeks on it - and it's the most unrewarding, boring and soul-destroying work I've ever done. Then repeat for bold, italic and bold italic.

    It's all very well saying that people will re-hint dodgy fonts for fun, but you try it and see how long you last before giving up and going back to something rewarding, like writing an IRC client or GIMPing together a new wallpaper. I hope FreeType's autohinter everntually gets good enough that we can just give up on hinting.