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LinuxWorld Report, Day 2

greechneb writes "Roblimo is reporting again on LWCE's second day. Check out his reports on break dancers, hp, suse, gentoo, linux on laptops, and most important, free booze." See yesterday's story if you missed it. Some other LWCE notes: United Linux is sucking in more partners, and even Microsoft won one of the show awards. And yes, Robin is going around asking the interview questions. :)

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  1. MS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what's MS doing at a linux event? *gasp*

  2. MS wins at Linux? by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 5, Funny

    That must be a large typo. Did MS really win at a "linux" conference? should be: "Most damaging company"

    1. Re:MS wins at Linux? by hawkbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For those us that don't know what services for unix 3.0 is, could you enlighten us? I'm now very curious what type of product M$ has produced that works with, or on unix.

    2. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's really just Interix 3, which is basically Cygwin (Cygwin developed with MS' help and with a pricetag of about $120).

      IT PUTS A C SHELL ON MY WORKSTATION!!! WHOOO! ROOFTLES?

    3. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Suicyco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah they won the Open Source Excellence award for Best System Ingegration Software (Services for Unix 3.0)

      I didn't know SFU was Open Source. I dont think it is as a matter of fact. Plus it sucks. Hmmm..

    4. Re:MS wins at Linux? by asparagus · · Score: 5, Funny

      All true. However, I think it's in our best interests to promote this anyway.

      "All Hail Microsoft, winner of the Open Source Excellence Award!"

      "You guys are into open-source?"

      "Um...not exac..."

      "All Hail Microsoft, winner of the Open Source Excellence Award!"

      "Three cheers for Open Source!"

    5. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the Product Overview for Microsoft Services for Unix 3.0:

      Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave exactly as they would on UNIX systems, plus a software development kit (SDK) that supports over 1900 UNIX APIs and migration tools such as make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers.

      Yes, that means that Microsoft distributes GNU software, and indeed in so doing complies with the GPL by passing along the source.

    6. Re:MS wins at Linux? by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which of course leads to the best URL ever.

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    7. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Best reason to switch to Linux" ;-)

    8. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does this mean we have to call it GNU/Windows?

    9. Re:MS wins at Linux? by slutdot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's basically tools that allow a Windows server to access UNIX servers or vice versa. It contains a Telnet server, an NFS client and server, better support for lpr printing and so on.

      We had it installed on one of our servers in order to talk to an AIX box via NFS. We got rid of it in favor of Hummingbird's product.

    10. Re:MS wins at Linux? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

      In accordance with section 3b of this license the source code to those
      utilities is available from the Interix World Wide Web site,
      http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu.

      Something tells me think that the 'T' key was broken in redmond when they added that URL.

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    11. Re:MS wins at Linux? by Suicyco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah actually thats a pretty good idea because its a total slap in the face to their anti-gpl FUD. Winning an open source award... I think I just heard ESR's heart explode...

    12. Re:MS wins at Linux? by bmajik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what sucks about it ? I've used SFU 2.2, 3.0 beta, and 3.0 release. I love it. For putting a useful commandline environment on a w2k/xp box, nothing else comes close.

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    13. Re:MS wins at Linux? by twaltari · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ever heard of Cygwin ?

  3. w00t by xao+gypsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    free booze and break dancers?!?!? i guess that beats balmer dancing around like an idiot for 5 minutes. yet more proof that linux is cooler than M$.

    xao

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  4. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stay tuned for days 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 AND 10!

    All here soon!

  5. LinuxWorld by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 2, Funny

    bah -- i'm going to Porndex!

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    1. Re:LinuxWorld by NineNine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, it's called Adultdex. And yes, it is many, many times more fun than *any* computer conference.

  6. I'm there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lap dancers and free booze? I'm there! ...Huh? Break dancers? Oh, never mind.

    1. Re:I'm there! by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dont worry. Robin assures us the young pierced boy was the "hottest thing at the show".

      Now all the ladies will show up next year.

      "when hippie-hacker college students showed up at LinuxWorld like mad, and some of them ended up crashing in my room because they had no other place to sleep. "

      Heh heh, the old "You can crash here, you want another beer? Why dont you change out of those wet clothes"

      Wait, what do you mean, "Robin is a guy"?!

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  7. This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate world. by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I thought this was a great quote:
    "Idealistic? Sure. No big mental change, just a job at a company with a dress code. And not just a job, but now a management job, one with purchasing authority.

    This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate world.

    [snip]and were disappointed that Linuxworld was so corporate and offered so little in the way of schwag for kids like them.

    Don't worry, guys. In just a few years you won't be complaining about all the business people at the local Linux show. You'll be those business people.

    If people want to influence the way business makes decisions, become the person making the descisions.

    That may be the key to getting Linux adopted in more places.

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  8. SCO Involved with UnitedLinux? by zmalone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article on UnitedLinux's new partners has a number of interesting tidbits. First of all, I was completly unaware that SCO was such a major contendor in the group, has anyone thought about how this fits into their supposed lawsuits against Linux vendors? If they are really intending to sue, it could be a way to harm Redhat, and the other non-UnitedLinux distributions.

    As for the new partners mentioned in the article, none of them seem that major. All that UnitedLinux seems to get out of it is the ability to use a name, and all the companies (HP, Intel, IBM, and AMD) get out of it is prerelease code.

    1. Re:SCO Involved with UnitedLinux? by sweetooth · · Score: 2, Informative
      SCO is one of the founding members of United Linux. If you needed a good reason to avoid United Linux I think thats it.


      Of course you should take my comment with a grain of salt as I really can't stand SCO, thier business practices, or most of thier products.

  9. Conference Turnout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've noticed that the turnouts having dipped a bit over the past year have now got back to a relatively healthy level.

    Let's face it though, it's all still a bun fight - how much real business is done through these shows that's not prearranged?

  10. How did he know...? by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 4, Funny

    The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down on a Dance Dance Revolution device hooked to a Linux computer

    How did Roblimo know that the guy had six piercings? Was he completely naked? Perhaps that should have said 'six visible piercings'.

    HH

  11. Microsoft wins by intermodal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I hate to say it, I'd say thats fair. what were the competition? I don't know. It probably consisted of dos2unix text file converter, Samba, and maybe something else or so. WINE sure doesn't cut that mustard. so I guess I've got to say, this shows that the judges had level heads and didn't discriminate.

    Regardles, Viva Linux!

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    1. Re:Microsoft wins by bongoras · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you don't think samba is better? Samba is a revolutionary. I'm not sure Samba was part of the competition... Be that what it may, Samba is one of the most important open-source tools in the world, if you are are serious about Linux suceeding in the enterprise. Sure, it's not sexy, glamorous, or fun. The protocols all suck. No one likes SMB. But because of Samba, I can say to my boss ( who is a Microsoft minion all the way ), " I can save you $500 here by using Linux to share out that printer," and "oh, don't worry about Professor so-and-so who wants to use Linux, it gets along perfectly with NT," countering each objection to Linux entering our enterprise with a working, efficient, and cost-effective OPEN SOURCE solution. Samba rules.

    2. Re:Microsoft wins by justins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You've got to be fucking kidding.

      Services for Unix is a sorry joke, pretty much the only thing it's got going for it is an NFS implementation for win32. In every other way, Cygwin and Uwin are superior.

      It raises an interesting question though: how come nobody has done an open-source implementation of NFS for win32?

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  12. It's their new strategy by core+plexus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As I wrote yesterday M$ new strategy?, it's their new strategy. And today I read this:

    Why Microsoft was right about Linux

    " Linux on Intel-based computers is now likely to become the dominant platform in corporate data centers, according to a recent report from investment bank Goldman Sachs. That puts even more pressure on Microsoft to persuade Unix users to stick with its Windows operating system on Intel systems rather than move to Linux. (That's no easy feat these days.) Indeed, if it fails to stop the groundswell, Microsoft may be forced to radically rethink its strategy as none of the company's server platform products now run on Linux. One scenario offered by analysts at First Boston has Microsoft switching gears and supporting Linux on key subsystems like Exchange and SQL Server and the .Net framework. And then there's the IBM factor to consider." Not much new there, but some details in the article ARE new and interesting.

    Computerized text bullying opening new chapter in student harassment Weird News

  13. Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0,
    Nice getting an award for that.
    Just like they had support for Novell, nice of Microsoft to include support for Novell, but wait!! after a while it was only used to upgrade Novell servers to NT servers?

  14. services for unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, a serious question about Services for Unix, that got a definite "maybe" on an Interix newsgroup:

    Now that Services for Unix includes the formerly separate "Interix" product (which as I understand it is a POSIX-compliant sub-system for win2k), is it possible to run X Windows and a window manager and *still* run native Win32 apps from the window manager (and have them behave reasonably)?

    I was trying to get a demo of Interix to try it, but I couldn't...

  15. Services for Unix is not Open Source by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm confused. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp. How can a non-open source product win an open source excellence award? Some of the basic utilities are GPL. The product requires per-seat and/or per-server licensing and licenses for each person who connects. That's a proprietary license.

    1. Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it's a LinuxWorld expo, not an Open Source expo.

      Many of the most compelling products for linux are proprietary.

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    2. Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the LinuxWorld announcement about the Open Source Product Excellence Awards:

      "The Open Source Product Excellence Awards are the industry standard for innovation in Open Source technology," said Rob Scheschareg, vice president of sales, marketing and product development, IDG World Expo.

    3. Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source by Mathetes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neither are these winners:

      Best Developer Tools
      IBM - Websphere Studio Appl. Developer V.5

      Best Data Storage Solution
      IBM - Tivoli Storage Manager

      Best Security Solution
      Computer Associates - eTrust Antivirus

      Best Productivity Application
      HRsmart - Applicant Tracking

  16. Was there, it was .... pretty ok by guyo26 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Drove down from NH wednesday, went to the show yesterday with my brother [who lives in NY]. Not like going to trade shows back in the big boom days (read as not much free stuff), but still pretty fun.

    Odd things I noticed:
    although there were tons of Linux Journals, SysAdmin's and C/C++ mags, Dr. Dobbs was empty all day. Either everyone else reads it or they only sent a dozen to the show.

    Saw _several_ SGI ALtix's, even got a picture of me standing next to them. Even though they've gone to the dark side [x86] they were very friendly and had a nice booth.

    Ximian had the best booth by far, the whole jungle theme rocked. Unfortunately they were right next to Microsoft.

    Speaking of, the were tre chic in black long sleeve shirts and jeans. I admit that I dropped my business card in the fishbowl for a chance to win a free Xbox ... now that it's been hacked to run Linux I didn't feel too much pain in my soul. My brother refused to come within 5 feet of the booth.

    Sun was awesome. Got DVD's of Solaris 9 for both x86 and Sparc. They've sold out and gone x86 as well, but I still have a thing for old Sparc SBUS boxen.

    The LPI test was ok. suitably hard enough.

    I went prepared to be impressed by RedHat, but was sorely let down. Very corporate. Very stand-offish IMHO. Too bad, I would love to move to nice, warm, NC and get a job there.

    SUSE has a great booth, with an absolutely gorgeous girl there. Best of the show, unfortunately they were also close to SCO, who had a huge booth. Even _I_ refused to get within 5 feet of the SCO booth. At least M$ has a track record, these guys ... I dunno, anyway

    Not a SINGLE booth offering CD's, except for the aforementioned Sun and NetBSD.

    the Icculus guy was great. .org rocked and was way better overall. Got my GNU shirt. Even applied for the Linux credit card because of the hot chicks shilling.

    Wish the Debian booth had more stuff ... guess it took to long to install *grin*

    Last but not least, the Linux Journal folks were really nice and went out of their way to take care of us and make us feel good.

    There were definately some geeks out on Thursday, don't know about Wednesday, but I saw quite a few.

    All in all a good time, hope I'll go next year. I'm still pawing through my 2 bags of goodies.

  17. Look closer Robin.. by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


    The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down

    What he doesn't tell you is that it was actually Cowboy Neal. The other 9 piercings were.. hidden..

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  18. Re:well... by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Q: How do you get free drinks out of a Vogosoft sales rep?"

    "A: Stick your finger down his throat."



    Unfortunately, this is backwards, GNU == Dentrassi

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  19. Wasn't XF86V4.3 supposed to be out? by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Weren't XFree supposed to release V4.3 of XFree86 at this show?

  20. Re:Microsoft win by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sounds like they've started to take us seriously

    I've read a good explanation for what they are doing. Gates is no dummy. In fact, he's one of the brightest businessmen around. He has first hand experience how rapidly technology can change, and is very aware that almost of Microsoft is built on technology that didn't even exist 10 years before Microsoft started.

    He is quite aware that things will continue to change, and everything that is important to Microsoft now might be just a small technology niche in ten years, and he has no intention of letting Microsoft go the way of, say, Data General or Digital. That's why Microsoft is trying to get involved in pretty much everything they can involving computers--cell phones, game consoles, PDAs, entertainment centers, servers, embedded systems, online services, streaming media. The only way to be sure that they remain successful is to try to get in early in everything.

    In other words, Microsoft intends to be the next Microsoft.

  21. HP Laotop w/Linux by civad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> Please, HP people, can we have Linux laptops? In case HP people dont know: HP Pavillion ze4200 is what I could call a "Linux-ready" laptop (I intionally put it in qoutes). One thing though: so far only Mandrake 9.0 works perfectly. Theonly thingI havent been able to check so far is the modem (though I doubt it will work)

  22. damnit by antistuff · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was going to go, but the only day i could i overslept, now I hear this free booze stuff, grrrr.

  23. Re:Microsoft win by gklinger · · Score: 2, Funny
    I've never met Mr. Gates personally but I don't doubt that he's a smart guy. That being said, the cynical part of me wonders if a large part of his success might be attributed to being in the right place at the right time.

    If General Motors called me up and asked me to supply the motor for a new, revolutionary car they were designing and I was able to buy a suitable motor from another company for a song, I bet I'd end up as one of the wealthiest people in the world too.

    Food for thought.