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SOHO Strikes Back

Nick Lightfoot writes "As seen on /. several days ago, Euroseti is holding a conference to show off it's collection of pictures of 'UFOs' taken by SOHO cameras. SOHO has released a response page to show how a cosmic ray or other similar ccd artifact could be mistaken for a UFO, especially after the image has been enhanced. After watching Euroseti's video featuring some of the images, I was able to identify one of the 'UFO' images as a comet, and several others looked like they were just planets. Hopefully they will release some images on the web soon so I taking take a closer look at them without having to buy their £15 cd."

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  1. Article is misleading by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Informative

    The SOHO page *actually* shows how a 'flying saucer' can be faked by manipulating their data, NOT how the original data can be 'mistaken' for a UFO.

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  2. Sensationalism by Entropy248 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a brilliant scam, and I am quite impressed. Someone has finally figured out how to capitalize on the gullability of certain extremist UFO groups.

    I've got proof that Elvis exists! I've got hundreds of photographs taken by an outside agency. I've scanned them all, and for the low-low price of $25 (USD), you can own a copy of the proof on CD. I'll let you see a few really low quality internet videos of them before you pay, but I promise you that blur in the corner is The King!

  3. Massive cover-up by scientists! by dave_mcmillen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take a look at this SOHO image! Not only is the Solar system crawling with UFOs, but they've also been concealing the fact that the Sun is mounted on a giant stick! Sure, they say the stick is just a shadow from a pylon in front of the camera, but we know the truth, don't we?

    Now the real question is: whose stick is it? And are they likely to come back and probe us?

  4. Thank you! by J.+J.+Ramsey · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was wondering when Slashdot itself would post a link rebutting Euroseti's pseudoscience. What's a wonder to me is that Slashdot didn't update the article by adding a link to here when this comment pointed it out.

  5. I want to believe by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This was a brilliant tag line for the 'X-Files'. The viewer was simultaneously shown the venerability and Achilles heel of the Mulder character. We appreciate his ability to accept implausible explanations, but know his desire to believe will deliver him to repeated failures, without regard to the nobility or validity of his search.

    Anyone who has seriously massaged data knows the dangers of 'wanting to believe' It is very hard to limit oneself to error correction and legitimate pattern enhancement. This is especially true when one is using off the shelf, not fully understood, tools. It is so easy to introduce artifacts that can be mistaken for reality.

    This is exactly what happened to these images, the Man on the Moon image, Man on Mars image, and will continue to happen. People want to believe. They consider themselves cosmopolitan for their ability to accept improbable explanations, but forget the first step was to extinguish all possible conventional explanations, the first of which is systematic error.

    The universe does not lie, but it is vague enough so we can easily lie to ourselves. It is as easy to create UFOs out of fuzzy images as it is to create animals out of passing clouds. We can not use either to prove or disprove the existence of anything.

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  6. The proliferation of video cameras. by duckpoopy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The proliferation of video cameras along with the lack of recent corraborated sightings seems to show that UFOs are not visiting us now. How many people independently videotaped the WTC collapse? Yet there are no current, credible UFO videos. Did 'they' stop visiting in the 1950's? The only way to keep these hoaxes alive is to push them just beyond the sight of the masses. If everybody had a CCD telescope then the hoaxsters would have to resort to doctoring Hubble images to 'prove' their point.

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  7. I've been disappointed yet again. by Slashdot+Insider · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gentlemen, it's safe to take off your tin foil hats now.

  8. Bias or Scam? by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Scientific bias is a difficult thing to overcome. One must always treat hypotheses and theories as volatile, and not be married to any one maiden, no matter how attractive.

    On the other hand, there is always the question of where the line is between bias and fraud. If you believe and the evidence is inconclusive, then you might be guilty of bias. If you make up 'evidence', especially if it is contrary to existing evidence, and then try to sell it (no matter if it is mineral exploration data, or cosmic data), then that is a whole nother kettle of fish.

    The bottom line is this: If there are ET's, and they are advanced enough to avoid detection on any large or credible scale, then they are surely aware of our capabilities (including SOHO and /.), and should have no problem continuing avoiding detection.

    All this is just chatter to those who believe, and no evidence to the contrary will persuade them. Hundreds of millions of people worship gods that they cannot see, touch, or communicate with; others have turned this belief into a big, profitable business.

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  9. USAF UFO detector network by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    The U.S. Air Force has operated a large scale UFO detector network since about 1980, the Ground Based-Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System. It was built to identify flying objects launched by the USSR, but it does much more. Two 1-meter computer-controlled telescopes at each site scan the skies for anything bigger than a basketball. The three sites (Diego Garcia, Maui, and Arizona) are run by the USAF 24th Space Wing. Most of the sky is scanned several times every night.

    Since the USSR wound down, GEODSS has also been used for finding near-earth asteroids. A few objects show up every month. Here's the list for December, 2002.

    MIT's Lincoln Labs also operates an automated skywatch.

    Here's an image from GEODSS. The objects that show as streaks are moving relative to the starfield.

    If it's out there, one of these systems will pick it up within a few days.

  10. Aren't the pictures from SOHO exciting enough?! by David+Kennedy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What really gets me is that the people searching for UFOs in the SOHO data obviously find that more exciting that the SOHO data... and that's tragic.

    I mean, it takes some effort to follow the detailed science SOHO was designed to support, but the images alone should be worth looking at. Go look at this hotshot of four planets and the Sun's outer layers. Tell me you don't find that image awe-inspiring, or that you don't think the ability to get that image is among man's most impressive achievements.

    (Yes, I'm a scientist by training, and do find this stuff genuinely awe-inspiring and have no time for those who refuse to learn and chase after UFOs. I never worked with SOHO, but I sat in a lab for three years across from someone who was doing a PhD on SOHO data. I was working on something much more boring for my PhD.)

  11. Missing the point by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully they will release some images on the web soon so I taking take a closer look at them without having to buy their £15 cd."

    If these people were interested in science, they'd have release the photos on their web page first, then issued the press releases. When they do it the other way around, it's not about science. It's about the £15.