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Battlefield Medkits Improve

ApharmdB writes "CNN has an article on the US military's fielding of a bandage containing clotting agents that can stop blood flow within two minutes. Obviously, the hope is that they will save a lot of lives. What's next straight from your favorite FPS? Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?" Those have been around for quite a while.

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  1. Rocket jumping! by DoctorPhish · · Score: 4, Funny

    that's what I want to see on CNN!

  2. I'm more concerned with the problem of by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    those who are camping next to those medkits. Damnit! Why someone would put a rocket launcher and a mega-health in the same room is beyond me...

  3. I wonder if... by gpinzone · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...these bandages would make effective tampons?

    1. Re:I wonder if... by shotfeel · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, they wouldn't. The whole idea behind "the period" is to get rid of unnecessary material so the cycle can start again. To that end, you don't want to stop the "bleeding" (which is what these bandages do) so much as simply prevent the discharge that does occur from making a mess. Two completely different objectives.

      For more info, I'll simply refer the reader to any physiology textbook. For info on what happens if you do too good a job at preventing nature from taking its course, look up toxic shock syndrome.

    2. Re:I wonder if... by Wohali · · Score: 3, Funny

      For more info, I'll simply refer the reader to any physiology textbook.

      Or tell them to get a girlfriend, and have them learn to go and buy tampons or pads for her. Real life experience can't be beat, ya know.

      *shakes her head and sighs*

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  4. Antipersonnel by amigaluvr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?

    We don't really need more anti-personnel equipment

    War nowadays is more about accuretley knocking out specific enemy targets. Communications and flight and aircraft and the like

    Not just killing everybody

    America had developed small antipersonnel nukes during the cold war. These are well known of, but they don't see the light of day

    Some things are better left unbuilt.

  5. Closer than you think... by neocon · · Score: 4, Informative

    About those anti-personel rocket launchers, we're closer than you may think. The OICW (the next-generation combat weapon being tested for deployment throughout the armed services) includes a computer-aimed grenade launcher which is smart enough to compute a perfect air-burst over a designated target, and which can handle a range of ammunition types.

  6. Michael misread by silicon_synapse · · Score: 3, Informative

    The SMAW is anti-armor, not anti-personel. Oh and Slashdot is incredibly slow. Maybe you should invest in some more hardware or bandwidth.

  7. How about (almost) shoulder launched nukes? by nufsaid · · Score: 5, Informative
    My favorite from the U.S. stockpile:

    The Davy Crockett

    If you work out, you might be able to carry one on each shoulder!

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  8. Cut Stop Powder by Art_XIV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesn't the military already use a powder that helps clot blood much faster than normal? Similar to the cut stop powder that farmers and ranchers use for animals? Or is this a product that they used to use?

    Are there any former/current medics than can shed some light on this?


    It's interesting that the new clotting agent permeates a bandage, though.

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    1. Re:Cut Stop Powder by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, as a former medic (1989-1997) I can say, with authority, that I know nothing about any such stuff. ;) A few posts back, someone was talking some spray called "Tropostat," which was apparently something along those lines, but it sounds like it may have been pulled from the market. Probably caused cancer in rats that would otherwise have bled to death, or something ...

      Some userful things never get approved by the FDA for "NIH" (Not Invented Here) reasons. When I was stationed in England, we worked with the British hospitals a lot, and they had some cool epoxy-like bandaging stuff -- basically, you'd pour it into thw wound, and it would form perfectly to the shape of the wound, and then get slowly absorbed by the patient's body as the wound healed. Now, British medicine is just as good as US; I see no reason why we couldn't have trusted the stuff for our patients. But we couldn't use it because it hadn't been approved by the FDA yet -- and since that was over ten years ago, I suppose it probably never has been or will be.

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  9. How barbaric by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't believe we're still using soldiers with blood in them.

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  10. Re:future weapons by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been working on railguns for awhile. They have them working, and can electromagnetically accellerate aluminum rings at insane speeds (like twice that of the average bullet).

    They just can't get the thing down to a portable size, nor figure out how to supply it with the jiggawatts(TM) of juice it needs to fire.

    But they do exist.

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  11. What I want is... by Asprin · · Score: 4, Funny


    What I want is an orange suit that dispenses morphine whenever I take damage and lets me run around with a broken leg.

    "Whaddaya mean you stapled yourself 127 times?!"

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  12. Re:That is a anti-tank weapon. by loucura! · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it goes against the Geneva Convention to use rocket launchers specifically for the use of attacking people.

    You can use them on materiel, like bunkers, tanks, buildings, clothing. The Geneva convention doesn't specifically rule out the use of rocket propelled weaponry against clothing that is currently occupied either.

    So, as long as you don't hit the skin, you're fine.

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  13. Re:Michael misread by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Invest what?

    I already beat them up and took their milk-money.

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  14. topostat by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in the 70's a friend, who had been an army medic in the 60's, told me about a spray on clotting agent called, if I remember right, Topostat. It could stop bleeding and save lives by spraying on a bleeding wound and forming an instant scab. He even tracked some down from a civilian medical supply house and I got a can from him. It worked.

    Why is this apparently a lost technology? I couldn't even find mention of it in a google search.

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    1. Re:topostat by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the fact that it is 2003, and you can say:
      "When I first got cancer in 1980 they applied paper tape to my back after a bone marrow asperation."

      says more to me about the advance in modern medicine then the original post.

      Congratulation.

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  15. BFGs by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?

    OICW - Entering service late this decade You can chain fire grenades, set them to explode on impact, just after impact (for penetrating windows) or at a set distance (for exploding over people's heads).

    Alternatively, if you want a BIG F***ING GUN, nothing says I love you quite like a GMG (Grenade Machine Gun) - yeah, that's right, a Grenade MG - 40mmx53 grenades, 350 cyclic rate. If I remember rightly, it comes with an optional nightsight (Oh so useful if 350 grenades a minute don't light the target up enough for you)

  16. Battlefield medicine has done a lot by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A lot of medical innovations have come out of the military in the past, much like innovations in other industries (computers, aviation)

    Blood plasma comes to mind. Way back some army docs realized that if you lose a huge amount of blood, you're more likely to die of shock simply because your heart has nothing to pump around.

    They realized you can use a centrifuge to take out all the red blood cells, dehydrate what's left, and all you need to do is add distilled water and get it into the body of an exsanguinated soldier. Just the fact that theres some fluid in the system for the heart to pump is enough to keep you alive until you can replace the red blood cells, and other gook in there..

    It works regardless of blood type, takes less space, and doesn't require refrigeration (keeps longer).

    Science has long been at it's best when its at war. Make of that what you will, but it's always been so.

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  17. This is a military myth by Catatonic+Dismay · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's like the myth about how .50 cal can only be used against material, and not combatants. Even people in the military to this day think that it's not okay to engage humans with the .50, but instead to "shoot their canteens or weapons out of their hands..oops I accidently killed him!" This is a myth, we can engage any combatant with a .50.

    A Capt of Marines recently told me that the .50 cal myth came from when the brass in Vietnam said told Marines and/or soldiers in a particular AO (area of operations) not to engage VC or NVA with the .50 due to ammo resupply issues, and to engage them with M16s, etc.

    This was purely to save ammo in one instance. Not due to any international law.

    Also, in the Hague convention is where you'd find anything close to regulating ammo used on combatants. Such as "weapons that cause unneeded suffering" such as "exploding bullets."

    You've probably seen movies where they use rockets to clear out bunkers. What's the difference in bombing a bunker with an A-10 and firing a rocket in it? Does this make any sense to regulate the use of rockets on personal?

    I'd also like to mention that I'd like snopes.com to investigate this ;)

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  18. Bandage Tech (crabshells) by gnetwerker · · Score: 5, Informative

    The anti-hemorrhagic bandage was developed by Dr. Kenton Gregory at the Oregon Medical Laser Center, and there is much more material about it at the website of the company formed to commercialize the technology, HemCon.

    The secret to the patch is a particular formulation of chitin, which is to stay, crabshells. The pro-clotting properties of chitin have been well-known for some time, but Dr. Gregory and his researchers were able to figure out how to make a viable bandage out of it, which hadn't been done before.

    The OMLC is working on lots of other cool stuff as well, such as laser suturing (very good for your liver, which won't take thread sutures).

    Full disclosure: I'm on their Board of Directors.

    gnetwerker

  19. When can I get... by twemperor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...a version for after I shave?

  20. Urban (Military) Myth by 300f1grad · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not true. That is another version of the "shoot at their belt buckles with the 50 cal." myth. Don't have it handy, but what I remember from my Law of Land Warfare class at my Officers course in the Army is that the Geneva Convention prohibits weapons that are intended to maim, not wound or kill cleanly. Prohibits things such as saw tooth bayonets, dum-dum (hollow point) bullets etc. Heavy Machine Guns, RPG rounds and nukes etc are OK. Go figure. What I do remember is when the JAG Major said that all weapons in the U.S. inventory meet the Geneva Convention requirements and I asked him "What about the M-14(?) toe-popper mine?" he got huffy and locked me up at attention.

  21. AP rockets? by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Who has an estimate on how long it will take for the Army to outfit its troops with anti-personnel rocket launchers?"

    Why? In real life, assult rifles hurt a lot more than they do in some popular FPSs (Half-Life comes to mind).

    Besides, FPSs have the advantage of the Incredible Shrinking Ammo, the ability to carry dozens of reloads for that rocket launcher with no detrimental effects.

    Oh, and then there's the ability to fire (accurately!) what is essentially a support weapon while walking/running/jumping. And people/objects behind you don't need to worry about backwash...

  22. A new mission for the CIA by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    They will need to sneak in and hide these kits throughout a building, and hope they get found... ;)

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  23. This... by Peterus7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Could be a godsend of hemophiliacs.

    I wonder if there are any allergies associated with it, or if you have to use a patch that corresponds to your blood type...