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Linux Conference Australia Write-Up

I've just recently returned from Linux Conference Australia 2003, held in Perth, Western Australia. I've had an incredible time, and this has easily been the best technical/Linux show I've been to since ALS was still operating. I've got a write-up below, and some notes on what happened, what's the plan for next year (It'll be in Adelaide, and I'm greatly looking forward to it!), and a photo round up. A number of other articles have appeared, and Kate MacKenzie's write up in The Australian was good as well, in addition to Telsa Gwynne's excellent write-up and Linux Magazine Au has some articles as well. Update: 02/04 02:42 GMT by T : ilovestuff points out ZDNet Australia's coverage as well.

I was actually invited to come to present the hacker survey that OSDN had done in conjunction with the Boston Consulting Group. However, upon looking at the conference plans, it was quickly apparent that that would be one of the few non-technical presentations, which was a pleasant change from my normal conference regime, in which the technical stuff seems crammed into one half day. I've heard that OLS is quite similar, but have not had a chance to attend. Nonethless, obviously my work withstanding *grin* the presentations were excellent - read the program to see for yourself.

I was able to attend Tridge's keynote, having only arrived Wednesday morning, a ARQuake presentation done by Wayne Pierkarski (we've mentioned it before). The afternoon was spent at Conrad's presentation on sweep, which is a hella cool audio app. Finally, the Q&A was Rusty, BDale, Tridge and Linus. Some of the typcial questions were asked, but there were some other questions 'round about DRM, IPv6 and some of the more social questions that were interesting. I think the DRM issues is one of the areas that some people are greatly concerned about, while other people have adopted a more Pollyana approach to it.

Unfortunately, on Friday, while I was presenting, there were two other presentations that I wanted to attend, but alas, had to speak myself. Rasmus, as usual, did a number of talks, and I was able to catch part of PHP printing with PDF, which was informative. Alex Reeder, part of VA Linux Japan also did a presentation on his work with bioauthentication, and my final piece of the show was Horms' presentation on Perdition, a mail retrieval proxy he's been working on.

But presentations aside, which were as a rule exceptional, I think one of the best parts was the relaxed feel, and the amount of interchange between just about everybody here. Almost every one that you talked to was fluent in Linux, programming or what not, which made for easy conversation with everyone there. The Perthites who really managed to put this together also did an exceptional job. To be frank, this is the only show I'd ever consider travelling 13,500 miles for.

I'd encourage anyone who attended or was part of it to post below -- and here's to looking forward to next year. One of the most amusing pictures though has to be the Linus in the penguin suit. The hats are off to the organizing team for their hard work -- and the speakers who traveled afar to be part of this. And from the wonderful uses of pizza box - yet more zaniness.

You can also check out some of photo round ups from Leon, Noel, and, of course, Marc Merlin's done a great round-up, as well as group round-up and one final one.

Overall, I highly highly recommend this show -- probably one of the best on the planet -- and for those in know, 23 will fall.

166 comments

  1. I dunno by Spazntwich · · Score: 0, Troll

    I found Ablabla.org' write-up to be more informative, and less full of the typos inherent in any Slashdot article.

  2. Why Perth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, Perth is a nice place and all, but wouldn't it have been saner to have it somewhere like Sydney or Melbourne to make it more accessable for the general population which is centered on the east coast?

    1. Re:Why Perth? by firefly_blue · · Score: 5, Informative

      Simply because Perth was the next city on the list - previously it had been at (from my some what dulled memory):
      1. Melbourne
      2. Sydney
      3. Brisbane

      and next year it will be in Adelaide.

      Believe me, I would have gone except it was on the otherside of the country but I'm sure there are many geeks in WA who would like to come to the east coast conf. and can't for the same reason.

      I'm looking forward to going to the one in Adelaide next year as its a little closer...

    2. Re:Why Perth? by asmdsr · · Score: 0

      >>...more accessable for the general population...

      this was the biggest LCA yet

      cheers
      Tim

    3. Re:Why Perth? by Hemos · · Score: 1

      And the following year, I believe, will be Canberra.

      --
      Yeah, I'm that guy.
    4. Re:Why Perth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you forgot to mention all of this coverage from ZDNet Australia.

      http://www.zdnet.com.au/builder/program/unix/story /0,2000034968,20271425,00.htm

  3. Excellent Conference by pyman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'll definitely be heading to the Adelaide conference next year!

    Rusty's talks were highly amusing, while still containing a technical edge. The dinner on Friday night was brilliant (300 geeks slowly getting smashed!). A T-shirt signed by all the luminaries at the kernel summit was auctioned for $AU 2100. It was quite a contest between Sun and IBM, with Sun representative Duncan Bennet making the winning bid. IIRC Bdale Garbee promised to name the next Debian release after the winning bidder, if the amount went over $AU 2000. So I guess we can all look forward to Debian Solaris!! :-)

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    a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
    1. Re:Excellent Conference by pyman · · Score: 1

      And I forgot to mention, all proceeds went to the EFA. (including the additional $AU 700, 1 condom and associated lubricant garnished by Rusty as he ran around with a big cardboard box!)

      --
      a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
    2. Re:Excellent Conference by hdparm · · Score: 3, Funny
      Heh, can you imagine if Microsoft attended the conference, as they did in New York. Then imagine (taht won't be hard, I guess) Microsoft placing a winning bid ($AU 2200). After that, imagine next Debian Microsoft release.

      Finally, of course, imagine Beowulf Cluster of those! Scary shit, I tell you!

      Seriously though, Debian Bennet or Debian Duncan have much more chance of being announced.

  4. Finally a linux conf within cooee of home by FruitCak · · Score: 1

    I went, and loved it. Best week I've ever spent at a Uni :)

    --
    I'm me. I think.
  5. Tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in a Tesla coil?

    Some one is gonna be extremely pissed!

  6. Bloody Aussies.... by houseofmore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Take the World Cup... and *have* a Linux Conference.

    Ah well, I suppose I can take that while sipping a pint taking in the Americas cup.

    =)

    1. Re:Bloody Aussies.... by Goonie · · Score: 1
      America's cup, been there, done that... :)

      If you want revenge, there's a) the cricket world cup, and b) beating us on home soil at the rugby world cup, and c) beating us to qualify for the soccer world cup in 2005 or so...

      And, hey, you've got a better basketball team than the USA does, at least according to the last world championship ;)

      --

      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
      --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  7. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there some kind of unspoken rule that you must be a troll to post on Slashdot?

  8. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Squarewav · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know yout can *gasp* buy and number of linux distos

  9. VA Linux Japan? by Otter · · Score: 1
    Alex Reeder, part of VA Linux Japan...

    Huh. So Japan still has a VA operation with "Linux" in its name and selling servers? Am I understanding that correctly?

    It's kind of like those celebrities who do endorsements in Japan but not at home, except sort of the opposite. Looks like they're using Excel, though.

    1. Re:VA Linux Japan? by Hemos · · Score: 1

      yes, there is still a VA Japan - and yes, they still do Linux. Kernel Consulting work, custom solutions, and they even still sell servers.

      --
      Yeah, I'm that guy.
    2. Re:VA Linux Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.valinux.co.jp/technical/project.html

      VA NetBSD Japan!

  10. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by svvampy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tell me about it, at 13 cent a megabyte for over flow, downloading RedHat 8 will either use up my entire quota and then a little more, plus updates. Or it will cost me over four hundred aussie dollars.

  11. one important point I must bring up by Stanley+Feinbaum · · Score: 0, Troll

    I attended this conference and I generally had a good time but there is one point I must address, and this is not exclusive to just this linux conference.

    Many companies attend these conferences to learn about the latest in linux technology and possibly invest in some of it. It is important at any conference to be professional and polite, but also to be well put together. I noticed many of the linux 'tech' guys were extremely ill dressed, including unwashed flannel sweaters and dirty hiking boots (worn indoors!). Aside from other journalists and a few company representatives, I did not see any dress shoes or ties in site. I mean, this isn't the same thing as lounging around one's apartment eating cheetoes and coding, this is supposed to be a professional conference! I dearly hope that linux guys will take note of this and possible dress more respectfully at the next event. Take a word of advice from a professional journalist: dress to impress.

    --

    Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master debater! God bless the USA!

    1. Re:one important point I must bring up by NineNine · · Score: 1

      I don't see how something like that matters... Companies like IBM are going to learn about new free software that they're going to make many, many millions off of. I'm sure they're happy enough to be saving millions in development without caring what their unpaid volunteers are wearing. Besides, why should Linux people care? What do these companies have to offer?

    2. Re:one important point I must bring up by stimpy · · Score: 1

      >Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master debater!

      Is it just me, or is there an extra syllable in there somewhere?

    3. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps then the "professionals" should take notice - linux isnt about making a fashion statement. People have better things to do than dress like a tool to talk to journalists.

    4. Re:one important point I must bring up by talis9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was at the conference every day, and each day I came straight from work. What was I wearing? My usual attire for the office. Black jeans, black t-shirt, brown hiking boots. Inside, no less!

      This was a TECHNICAL conference, not a typical marketing dog and pony show. We were there to listen to what the speakers had to say (and a damned fine job they did too) not to look pretty or try and impress, but to learn.

    5. Re:one important point I must bring up by inerte · · Score: 0, Troll

      And nudist don't wear clothes!

      What I mean is that these are different audience types. Different people. It is not because it has Linux on it has to be a certain way.

    6. Re:one important point I must bring up by lpontiac · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I noticed many of the linux 'tech' guys were extremely ill dressed

      And yet they write great software that's powering a lot of business. Maybe you should reassess your priorities?

      I was there, dressed in shorts and tshirt. Which is exactly what I wear to work.

    7. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      syllable+space, sir.

      Someone will eventually fix it with brackets.

      Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master( de)bater!

    8. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An excellent post, and modded up insightful no less! Good show!

    9. Re:one important point I must bring up by obi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends why you go to a conference like this. The reason I attend is to talk to _developers_, not "potential business partners". If a businessperson wants to talk to me, that's fine, but I'd hope they take me as I am. While I'm probably am not as intimidating looking as some of these hardcore wild-eyed, long-bearded hackers, I will not go for suit-'n-tie.

      And frankly, I've noticed that the real businesspeople don't need to be pampered either. They understand we're not and don't want to be PR people, and appreciate the candor with which we explain the technical issues that rule our work.

      If explained properly (and I do admit this isn't something all of us manage to do all the time), they are completly capable of understanding what we're trying to accomplish. I think that's more important than the (false) image you're trying to project using a suit.

    10. Re:one important point I must bring up by plierhead · · Score: 1
      This was a TECHNICAL conference, not a typical marketing dog and pony show. We were there to listen to what the speakers had to say (and a damned fine job they did too) not to look pretty or try and impress, but to learn.

      Fair enough, dress however the hell you like, but the original poster does have a point. A sad fact of life is that the rest of the world relies on your external appearance to make a quick, initial (and probably wrong) judgement about you.

      Of course its your right to dress not to impress, but if you want to promote your company, get a job, network (i.e. with people - not in the geek sense) or whatever, then why not give yourself every possible advantage, even if it means running an iron over your shirt before you head down.

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    11. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What do these companies have to offer?"

      Simple. They have a large amount of money to pay these 'unpaid volunteers' to work on what they love full time and which may or may not benefit the open source community as a whole. I'd say that's pretty damn good, unless you're opposed to getting paid to write software.

    12. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are my hero.

    13. Re:one important point I must bring up by rhysweatherley · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was one of the "ill-dressed" speakers - usual shirt and jeans. I suspect that if I had turned up in a suit, then (a) I would have not been taken seriously, and (b) I would have been bitch-slapped by my peers. It was a technical conference - I was there to present my work to my peers, not to drum up capital.

    14. Re:one important point I must bring up by pyman · · Score: 1
      Stanley,

      I've been following your posting career, and I am beginning to think you are a complete Troll. Despite this, I have to set the record straight.

      It is important at any conference to be professional and polite, but also to be well put together.
      Everyone I spoke to was extremely polite, and the conference highly organised.

      I noticed many of the Linux 'tech' guys were extremely ill dressed, including unwashed flannel sweaters and dirty hiking boots (worn indoors!).
      You are incorrect. I attended every day of the conference, and noticed no 'unwashed flannel sweaters' or 'dirty hiking boots'.

      ...this is supposed to be a professional conference!
      This is linux.conf.au, not some trade-show like LinuxWorld. It was a technical conference for like-minded technical geeks to get together and learn new things, not for companies looking for investment.

      Take a word of advice from a professional journalist: dress to impress.
      Sure, if you have the "oooh its shiny" mentality and wish to attract similarly minded people!

      From your comment, I suspect you are trolling, (or, yet again, waving your 'professional journalist' flag) and did not attend the conference at all.

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      a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
    15. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem. The other respondents might want to examine the image in "Stanley"'s message header:

      http://www.jwgh.org/ark/yhbt.jpg

      Consider what YHBT might mean.

      Trollers, what is the mindset that makes this so amusing?

    16. Re:one important point I must bring up by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
      I noticed many of the linux 'tech' guys were extremely ill dressed

      Yah, including some from IBM. The Sun rep even dressed down for the event, so, yes, people do notice. One of the reporters turned up in basic black on Day -1, and she returned on Day 0 dressed in something geekier (including an appropriate backpack and shoes), and I might add looked much better for the effort. And you should have noticed that the guest of honour was wearing, horrors, casual shirt (sometimes tee) and shorts - and his family, too - and once even a penguin suit, the undisciplined cad!

      Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master debater!

      Stimpy was right, there is an extra syllable there. You're a legend in your own mind... (-:

      Can I recommend you sticking to shows festooned with bloatware, posterware, shiny sheilas with shiny smiles handing out rubbish, and loads of pinstripes but no content? We'll all be happier for such a move.

      --
      Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
    17. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so happy someone finally noticed!

    18. Re:one important point I must bring up by Skater · · Score: 1

      I once heard that dressing up shows respect for your audience. Hard for me to not get dressed up for presentations after hearing that statement...

      --RJ

    19. Re:one important point I must bring up by stimpy · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm glad I didn't offend, it was just the way I read it. I had to do a double-take, and it was just too funny to pass up.

    20. Re:one important point I must bring up by Rainier+Wolfecastle · · Score: 1

      Wow. This has got to be the first time that I've seen someone say that there too few suits at a Linux conference.

    21. Re:one important point I must bring up by QueenOfSwords · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's your problem, buddy! What's this brown hiking boots nonsense! You have to color co-ordinate! Next conference, those boots better be black too.

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      -- INTX Grouch. http://www.midnightblue.net
    22. Re:one important point I must bring up by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find most people who write GPL software don't actually do it to get a job.. if one comes along, they accept the person for who they are and what they do and well and good, but if not, no loss..

    23. Re:one important point I must bring up by QueenOfSwords · · Score: 1

      Yes but you can be casual and well-dressed at the same time, they're hardly mutually exclusive. Is the problem that the concept of 'well-dressed' for men isn't flexible enough to include things other than 'wear a suit'? I know that good jeans, a nice shirt and dressy boots would fit the definition for me. Women have a bit more flexibility in that department I guess.

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    24. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brown shoes with a black shirt and jeans?

      Someone call the fashion police!

      Seriously, what were you thinking?

    25. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pyman, I've been following your posting history, and I've come to the conclusion that you're a total moron.

    26. Re:one important point I must bring up by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      So, this is coming from someone who gave a talk at OLS wearing a T-shirt from thinkgeek.com (tell me again your user name? read $luser) I will say this.

      It depends on what your aim is. Our aim was to get the other geeks on the bandwagon, and that seemed to be the other presentation's aim - and perfectly in line with the conferance.

      On the other hand if your goal is to woo (wow I actually used that word!) corperate investors I would wear something a bit nicer, including a tie. While I also dislike this (and where I work allows REALLY casual dress) that is what reality is.

      I don't think the parent poster meant people wearing such wrote bad code (nor do I mean so). But corperate america wants this, and you do look more polished. Though I, and most geeks, could care less, to the business only person this is important.

      From a personal stance, I would have to be bad off to take a job where my dress code was such, and so may be yours. But there are more jobs where a tie and slacks are required.

      Plus should I actually want corperate investors I would most likely spell check this post :) (but then, does python care that I never can remeber the correct spelling for "corperate"? As long as I am consistent, no :) )

      --
      ------- Sorry about the spelling, I suffer from two problems. Dyslexia makes it difficult to spell well, lazy makes it
    27. Re:one important point I must bring up by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      The funny thing about it all is that IT is the one occupation where my long hair doesnt get me locked out of the office.

      A lot of people just seem to understand that IT geeks often dress clumsilly and code sharply.

      Anyway, it was a tech conference. The marketing conf was in New York right.

      (Oh btw... I live in perth and would of love to of gone... but sometimes GPL just doesn't pay the bills, or conf fees :( [which where nice and cheap for this conf btw] )

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    28. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the Sun guys wore T-shirts and looked fine in them. I even got one one of their special T's, thanks Duncan!

      The fashion standards at the conference were appropriate considering the normal casualness of the majority of participants plus the weather and the great casual environment of one of the top University campuses in Australia!

      Ducks and peacocks on campus - how cool!

    29. Re:one important point I must bring up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Err, I was also at this conference wearing my "professional journalist" badge... and I had zero problems with the dress code, at all.

      Hell, I wore a pair of long pants - once. And that was because I found it a little chilly on one of the days. The rest of the time I was shorts and shirt.

      While I agree that a certain amount of professional attire is relevant in some situations, this type of conference is clearly not the place where suit and tie are appropriate. Or, indeed, welcome. In fact, a couple of the guys from Sun were commenting at how refreshing it was NOT to see any suits in sight!

      It is, of course, possible that the the hacker in me was just trying to shirk the responsibilities of the office, but having jumped from being a professional programmer to writing for a living, I sure as hell know which dress code I prefer.

      And, typically, it was my programming job that required the three-piece, not the writing gig!

    30. Re:one important point I must bring up by nigels · · Score: 1

      I dearly hope that corporate types will take note of the cultural difference at Linux conferences and dress more respectfully, be less fixated on Dilbert-zone dress code, and not lecture geeks on making a "good" impression to salary slaves and journalists.

      Frankly, these people would probably rather spend AUD$300 on Knuth books than high-maintenance corporate-wear. Or an airfare to Perth... Or a broadband connection...

      I am sure your comments are sincere, but I think the problem is yours, rather than ours... :-)

    31. Re:one important point I must bring up by Skater · · Score: 1

      I'm going to respond to this (quite late) in case you notice it in your user page later... :)

      I'm actually a statistician, not an IT person. Although we're not formal at work (I usually wear decent slacks and a button-down shirt, no tie, but some people wear jeans while others wear expensive shirts and ties daily), conferences, especially as a presenter, would definitely require at least a shirt and tie. Anything less than that would be out of place, I think.

      --RJ

    32. Re:one important point I must bring up by boots@work · · Score: 1

      At the risk of stating the bloody obvious: nonverbal cues communicate different things in different cultures and subcultures.

      Many of them are the same: respect for your audience at a hacker conference includes: good presentation, speaking clearly, making eye contact, being moderately entertaining, planning your talk, answering questions politely and attentively, etc.

      Some nonverbal cues are interpreted differently: wearing a suit would send a message that you are a Suit, and not really part of the group you're speaking too. Perhaps that's the message you want! It might well be so, if your talk is about "A statistician's/lawyer's/CIO's look at Linux".

      Respect implies *consideration* for your audience, not necessarily a tie as such.

  12. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AH HA! we have found the one good use for getting your adsl with telstra...All the main linux distros get mirrored on their servers, so for telstra customers, it doesnt go towards their cap.

  13. close one! by asynchronous13 · · Score: 1

    this has easily been the best technical/Linux show I've been to since ALS was still operating ...
    Nobody panic, ALS Scan is still up.
  14. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Mr_Tulip · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, most, if not all, of the Cable/DSL providers here in the land of OZ mirror things like Linux distro's (and tucows, downloads.com etc. etc.) Thus they can provide all these downloads at blazing speed, and without counting toward your "qutoa"

  15. I was there :) by lpontiac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My first conference, mainly because I'm a Perth native. The atmosphere and level of information presented was excellent, and I'll most probably end up heading to Adelaide next year :)

  16. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I tested at MS for 6 mos before I got a real job. For the most part, everyone there had the blank, affectless vibe of Stepford Wives. There were a number of heavy folks, but mostly it was empty folks- basically sociopaths. Even the HR boothbabe equivalents they hired didn't seem to have any blood in their veins, and I suspect they were no more anatomically correct than Barbie.

    Profoundly unattractive.

  17. Oh, I totally agree!!! by Idou · · Score: 2, Funny

    I even hear that rather odd fellow should up in a, get this, penguin costume! What a total embarrassment!

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  18. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by Squarewav · · Score: 0

    true geeks don't workout, they live off a diet of Mt dew,coffee, beer and junkfood.

    j/k dont hurt me!!

  19. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by plierhead · · Score: 1
    Even the HR boothbabe equivalents they hired didn't seem to have any blood in their veins

    I guess those "I'd like to mount your hard drive baby, hyuk, hyuk" lines got you nowhere with the booth babes, huh ?

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  20. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, that is a about right. I am just realizing that myself...

  21. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by LordLucless · · Score: 1

    Sign up with a decent ISP
    Internode has nationwide access and a flatrate plan with a dynamic QoS system that works rather sweetly. I clocked 45GB down in my first month on that. If RedHat tops that out on their next release, I'll eat my modem.

    --
    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
  22. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by Linux+Torvalds · · Score: 1

    Is there some kind of unspoken rule that you must be a troll to post on Slashdot? No.

  23. Re:WHY NOT ADELAIDE, SYDNEY, MELBOURNE, BRISBANE?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed, last I heard, it was invented somewhere in Queensland, not Perth.

  24. Re:What the .... by cmdrBurgerBurritoNac · · Score: 1

    read this snoopy http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/04/10443 18595263.html Australia is the country most in favour of military action against Iraq, an international poll of 39 countries has found.

  25. Re:What the .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is called the World outside of the USA.

    Not everyone:

    1. Owns a gun
    2. Drives on the wrong side of the road
    3. Enjoys being sued everyday of the week
    4. Likes to misspell words such as colour
    5. Wants to occupy every "terrorist" country
    6. Goes on and on about Free Speech
    7. Enjoys McDonalds

  26. How about ZDNet's Coverage? by ilovestuff · · Score: 3, Informative
  27. Yellow Hearts Break Together? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  28. LinuxChix summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went to a Linuxcon... so let me first tell you about my flight, my husband, my meals, my struggles with OpenOffice... oh, were there actually talks? Hey... where did all the readers go?

  29. Agree... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    100%

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  30. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by CakerX · · Score: 1

    yes!

  31. Youthful Heteros Bathe Thomas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


  32. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by CakerX · · Score: 1

    I guess those "I'd like to mount your hard drive baby, hyuk, hyuk" lines got you nowhere with the booth babes, huh ?

    who cares, they are fun as hell. I do wish they were more geeky girls out there. And thoose fashion loving, emo wearing, whiney little bitchs with their iMacs and basic IRC or web admistraion knowlege/formal training, DO NOT COUNT.

    By geek, I meen hobyist, chicks that do it for the love of the machines, WHO ARE ACTUALLY SMART, not the so called sub-culture everyone seems to associate with "geek" culture

  33. Re:What the .... by child_of_mercy · · Score: 1

    never read any country's press to determine what the rest of the world thinks.

    All you'll get reading the Age is what Australian's (southern Australians at that) think the world is thinking.

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  34. As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hello,

    I was unfortunate enough to get an invitation for this conferance. Maybe I should give a little background on myself without giving my identity (I'm a german citizen with a Austrian and Egyptian parent) thus I have ended up with a Muslim last name. I'm not fantical or anything, I'm just an opensource developer and I work for a major project.

    We were not officially funded by the organizers as Alan was, so we had to come up with sponsors. Lucky for us we had few in the wings (certain companies that would never die). There were 3 of us in our group.

    My trip to Australia was uneventful. The real shit started happening the momentment I was asked my name at the immigration desk.

    The clerk in question (from the badge it said Andrew M*), pointed out my last name and asked me what my relation was to Islam. Even though I am not very religious, I do not go around saying what I am not, thus I told them that I'm a muslim and been so since birth. At this point Andrew M* told me to wait, then he disappeared into the Quantas counter and came out with a tall fellow named Ben C*. Ben C* waved my other companians away and told me to follow him.

    I followed him to the office inside where he told me to sit down and tell him about my visit to Australia. I told him everthing about Linux and KDE and what I am here for. I even took out my laptop and showed him Linux (he had never seen Linux and was quite interested).. anyway Ben C* was pretty pleasent. A few mins later there was a knock on the door and an uniformed officer appeared.

    The office told me to follow him (I did not have time to ask or look at his name). I followed him to offices upstairs. In this office there were two other men waiting for us, they were not wearing any uniforms, but they informed me that they were Australia police. I was asked to sit down at a table and tell them who I was. I did this once again, and explained about Linux and KDE, they were not interested (also being German my spoken English is not as good as my written English).

    The two officers who did not introduce themselves (Officer X and Y), then asked me a series of questions regarding various global stuff. I answered negativly to all of them, and at this point I pointed out to them that I am a german citizen and if I was under arrest or not, if so if I could contact any of my travelling party or my embassy here.

    When I prostested again why I was being held, Office X grabbed hold of my shirt ripped two of buttons from the top. He then pointed his other hand at my eyes and told me that I have no right to talk that I only answer their questions and if I say anything more I would not like the end effect.

    Being non-aggrassive, I nodded in aggrement, he got his hold of me and moved to the end of the room and Officer Y came towards me and asked me questions similar to the first list he asked, I once again denied anything. He said I was not German that my passport was manifactured in India and so on.

    I have Asthma and at this point I started to feel a mild attack, I told Office Y about it and he started going through my bag looking for my medicial box, at this point I had difficulty breathing but he was going through it slowly. Officer Y took the box out and my respirator and gave it to Officer X. I looked at him and pushed the respirator at my face, I started to inhale on it then he pulled out immeditaly. He asked me to answer their questions or else they would not give me the medicine. I pleaded with him and told him I had no idea what he was saying that I was just a software engineer.

    After a while he gave me the device and I used it to help myself. He dragged me up again by my shirt and this time he hit me. When I woke up I was no longer with them and my companions were with me also a Deutsch representitive was with them. My face hurt and I had blood on my shirt. They put me in a car and took me to the hospital where I had a broken nose and fractured rib, I did not know what they had done while I was passed away.

    Our representitve got a police highup to come and take my complaint, but the police said they had no say that it was not their branch that I could lodge a complaint but if I didn't know the names of my aslaints I did not have any chance of success. I asked Ben C* about the officers, but he said they were not the usual ones that they just came when they heard about my name.

    I left Australia as soon as I could I would never return to that place again.

    1. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is true, please do the WORLD a favour and contact your local German and Australian newspapers with your story PROMPTLY!

      If you remain silent, others will suffer.

    2. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Gantoris · · Score: 1

      Dude, I am an Australian, your story, if true, make me sick, the other reply says this and so do I - tell the news papers in Germany and in Australia, and anywhere else you feel the need. This is the type of thing needs to be publicized.

      On behalf of the Australian community I'd like to appologise for the appalling treatment you received.

    3. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Here is some more info about the Secret Police, and dude you can't do anything about what happend to you anymore, so best to ride it through and wait for Howard to be toppled).

      The legislation, first proposed by Prime Minister John Howard on October 2, is expected to be introduced into the federal parliament when it begins sitting again next year. Although it has yet to be drafted, Howard and the Attorney General Daryl Williams have publicly discussed its probable content.

      The legislation will create a new offence "terrorism" and give ASIO the power to detain people for 48 hours without formally arresting them, after obtaining a warrant. Those detained will have no right to legal counsel. To refuse to answer questions will incur a penalty of up to five years imprisonment.

      Those detained would not have to be suspected of terrorism. Williams told the ABC's Lateline on November 27, "We would need to have access to people who may not be themselves doing anything, but who may have information". This could include journalists, medical professionals and lawyers, as well as sympathisers or people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      The most frightening aspect of the legislation is the looseness of the description of "terrorism". Although no definition has been confirmed, one proposal put forward by Howard was "actions to advance a political, religious or ideological cause directed against the national interest".

      Such a definition could easily be applied to any group that is critical of or opposes government policy, since the latter is always deemed by the government to be "in the national interest". It could even be extended to those expressing views disliked by the government and its supporters.

      Harassment of those with dissent views already started. On December 7, the Sydney Morning Herald revealed that left-liberal commentator Phillip Adams is under investigation for "racial vilification" following an Australian opinion piece in October in which he pointed to the US government's record of racial violence.

      Anecdotal evidence suggests many left-wing migrant activists, particularly Palestinians, have had their houses searched by ASIO since September 11, and others have been questioned. Evidence of this is hard to collect, due to the extreme reluctance of many victims of this harassment to speak out publicly and attract more attention. Arabic groups will undoubtably be the first targets of any new "anti-terrorism" legislation.

      The legislation's passage through the Senate is unlikely to be smooth. Although initially supporting the idea of restrictions on civil liberties, the ALP announced on November 28 that it will be calling for a parliamentary inquiry, with public hearings, into the legislation. The Australian Greens issued a press release condemning the proposals out of hand. The Democrats have not yet released a statement but indicated in September that they would support increased powers for ASIO.

      From Green Left Weekly, December 12, 2001.

    4. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by mitsuhama · · Score: 1

      It's not the people that's racist but the government.

    5. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 1

      hi anonymous coward. i'm sorry for what happened. i'm australian and it's hard to believe that some australians are actually buying into this anti-muslim propaganda spouted by the current US and australian governments. this is deliberate, right-wing propaganda designed to incite anger and resentment in the west against muslims in order to boslter support for an extremely unpopular war against iraq for oil.

      please please please report your story, just as you've written above, to your local press, and to the the sydney morning herald or the australian. the truth here in australia is that most people are against the war, and against racism, big time. a couple of decades of having every culture and cuisine at our very doorstep have made most people realise what a great thing multiculturalism really is.

      i'm sorry for your experience. most of us are really nice people.

      sincerely
      matt

    6. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by eggplantpasta · · Score: 1

      This is an ugly story. The current government doesn't represent my views at all at the moment and I'm sad about many of the things they get up to in my name.

      Having said that it would be nice to have some more details. What were the full names of the people you dealt with (Ben C* etc.)? Have you taken this any further with any official complaint here or in Germany? Are you able to actually tell us who you are? Or failing that get another well-known person in the community to vouch for your identity and story's truth?

      These are pretty extraordinary claims and although possible it seems very unlikely that Australian Federal Police would act in this manner.

      If true please accept my apologies.

      Brett the programmer (and fellow conf.au attendee)

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    7. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just posted a link to your article to the news editor at the ABC, Australia's national public broadcasting service. Please contact them yourself so they can confirm the details of your story:

      newseditor@your.abc.net.au

      Although the ABC is funded by the Australian government, it is editorially independent. The current government has consistently criticised the ABC for bias against them. That's a good measure of their independence.

      I'd like to see the officials responsible for your treatment suspended, charged and brought to trial. Nobody benefits if they get away with the actions you describe. Apart from a tiny number of extremists, I'm certain the majority of Australians are on your side.

    8. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by smash · · Score: 1
      As has been said... please report this to the local papers - this sort of thing is (obviously) not on, and is not a typical representation of the attitude of the Australian people over here.

      I was tempted to cut+paste and send to the Australian myself, but then though that its not my place to do so...

      Sounds like a couple of renegade cops/security staff, who deserve to get sacked/sued for their behavior...

      On behalf of this country... my sincerest apologies... :-\

      smash.

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    9. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a broken nose and fractured rib"? By police officers in a government building? Even if you were unlucky enough to encounter such violent racist thugs, they simple wouldn't dare to physically assault you in such a setting. As an Australian, I find this troll offensive. It's in poor taste and not in the best traditions of trolling.

    10. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is bullshit.

      The ASIO would never do that, they can't do that. They can't physically hurt someone, and the way you described the scene was obviously made up since Customs is not at a 'Qantas desk'.

      Really. And that article someone posted about the ASIO police, it's written by the Greens (left wing anti howard political party).

      Despite what you people think, Howard is not racist. The Tampa people actually hijacked a ship (they were allowed on, however they threaten to throw people overboard if the captain didn't go to Australia). International law obliged the captain to go to indonesia which was the closest port (can't remember the name of the port however).

      We Australians - even us right wingers still value immigrants, after all it's what makes Australia australia. And we value the Muslims. I can say this while supporting the majority of Howard's policies. At the moment, however, I'm not leaning to any side of the war of Iraq. And I don't really want to.

    11. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Shit.

      Mods: Who ever modded this as troll- Why is it so? This is a guy who got burned hard and its worth airing.

      This is an outrage and it really upset me. I'm going to forward this to a couple of people I know involved with imigration law & advocacy. Do you mind? (If you would rather me not, email me at shayne@guild.murdoch.edu.au) I also am on a first name with a few politicians. Theyre gunna hear this too.

      Most of my countrymen just don't realise how nasty the culture of the immigration department has gotten. And when folk like refugees turn up, they cop this X 10 *AND* a whole bunch of xenophobic shit.

      If you have the names of any of em, email me and I'll pass them on. there is an ombudsmen as well, and the anti corruption commission.

      You really do deserve respect, and I hope that this doesnt permanently put you off our otherwise lovely country.

      Sorry dude,
      Shayne.

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    12. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by kubrick · · Score: 1

      We don't have a president, we have a Prime Miniature... er, Prime Minister. The people of Australia have voted for him three times running, which just shows what a backward lot of stupid, racist fuckwits we are in this country.

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    13. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Green left weekly aka "The trots" :) (Insider joke in Australian politics)...

      Anyway, yeah this stuff does happen. A mate of mine, a palestinian legit immigrant got given hell and deported (temporarilly, he was allowed back in) for screwing a piece of paperwork. When he was in the detention center prior to deportyness he saw folk trying to commit suicide on two occasions (He was only in detention for a week), and reconed the whole place was a nightmare. His house has been searched , his wife (an aussie) harassed. I know of other stories of students (I work at a student union), usually black or mid east, folk being threatened because of religion, wierd asio harassment. Racist immigration officials etc.

      The sad thing, is that for the most part most australians are incredibly tolerant and friendly. It's a pretty multicultural society, but everytime the press or someone critisizes the government over what is truly an aberation against the australian fair-go spirit, people just seem to go "Oh this musnt be true. Our government would *never* do that!"... except they do.

      I plan to try and verify this tail and rain shit and fire on the im dept for this. It's about time aussies realised what a violent scam the im dept here has become.

      (Pissed off and angry)
      Shayne.

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    14. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Our agents searched the house and we found this - a school project on Afghanistan. Clear evidence of a link. I'm arresting the child."

      "Well, we searched this house and found detailed maps of Afghanistan AND Iraq inside this Atlas. Definite evidence that the people in this house are terrorists, I'm taking them all in for questioning."

      "...and an officer has been arrested today after it was revealed he had had recent contact with a number of presumed terrorists. He was found to be carrying a school project on Afghanistan, and a book containing detailed maps of Afghanistan and Iraq."

    15. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    16. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by spress · · Score: 0

      Despite what you people think, Howard is not racist. The Tampa people actually hijacked a ship (they were allowed on, however they threaten to throw people overboard if the captain didn't go to Australia).
      This is wrong in so many ways. While the first sentence may be a matter of opinion other evidence shows it is certainly wrong. The second sentence is wrong in fact. There was no hijack and no threats to throw children overboard. The notion of children being thrown overboard was a fabrication of the Howard government to garner the racist vote at the last election. The following quote sums it up quite well:"Not everyone who voted for Howard is racist, but everyone who is racist voted for Howard"

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    17. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by boots@work · · Score: 1

      Matt,

      Your sympathy does you credit, but remember there is a lot of bullshit on slashdot. If it's true I would be aghast and disappointed, but there really isn't enough detail to say.

      The original poster really should report this to, say, the Australian (major newspaper) or Four Corners (serious investigative TV programme). If there's any truth to it, they'll get the story out.

    18. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by boots@work · · Score: 1

      He says that as a German citizen he was handed over to some kind of German consular official bloody and beaten. It seems a bit hard to believe that there would be no reaction of any kind from the German government. Even if he wanted to remain anonymous, you'd think they'd at least be able to confirm the general circumstances or demand an apology.

      I wouldn't say this sort of thing never happens, but I think this one is a troll.

    19. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by rusty · · Score: 1

      We didn't invite an O/S KDE people. And, of course, we have a list of all the people who didn't show up at the conference.

      You are lying.
      Rusty,

    20. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 1

      i feel one has to err on the side of trust is such circumstances. it would seem a little too elaborate and passionate a mail to be some random troll. i freely admit to being a little more 'brotherly' these days because of all the fucking FUD and warmongering for oil that's coming out of canberra and washington at the moment.

    21. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by boots@work · · Score: 1

      I completely agree about erring on the side of trust.

      However, I have been in touch with the LCA organizers -- who were naturally very concerned -- and it seems fairly clearly not true:

      1. There's been no protest or comment from the German diplomatic corps, despite the claim they were called to the airport.

      2. No German KDE developers were invited to the conference.

      3. If somebody had been invited, or even registered, and not shown up, the organizers would have known. There was no such unexplained case. (It's hard to believe somebody would fly from Europe without registering first, especially since the conference sold out.)

      4. They didn't say anything to the organizers, even on their return home. Their only apparent protest is an AC post on Slashdot.

      5. The details in general are just a bit hard to believe, e.g. Qantas vs Customs.

      "Did you hear the one about the rapist at the local shopping mall?"

      Certainly people should feel pissed off with Howard's "Wonderful suck-holing" exercise, but not for this particular story.

    22. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by jamesbromberger · · Score: 1

      Please contact me immediately; I cannot see any Austrian, German or Egyptian people who registered for the conference who were not accounted for. Please email me at james_AT_rcpt.to and give me your full name, real email address, and other data you entered in the conference registration form, the date this incident apparently occurred, the names of your 3 friends you were with, the flight number you were on, and the full names of the Qantas staff you dealt with. If you send me this information, we (the LCA2003 organisers) can track this down. If you do not send me this information, I will assume this is a complete fabricated troll (esp. since this was posted as an 'Anonymous Coward').

    23. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 1

      i'm glad... i'd like to preserve my (perhaps naive) original notions about australia being a generally sane and safe place.

      incidentally, and totally OT, would you happen to have gone to linux.conf.au, sydney 2001? from the mugshot on your website i believe we may have actually once met or been in some kind of group introduction situation. did you perhaps give a talk there??

    24. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by jamesbromberger · · Score: 1

      Well, it's been a few days, and no one has written to me; either the person hasn't seen my post, or this confirms this is a troll. Move along; nothing to see here.

    25. Re:As a KDE developer some words about present AU by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

      YHBT, bubba.

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  35. Meaning of yhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:wYNZBOCHIuYC: www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/YHBT.html+yh bt&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    1. Re:Meaning of yhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that address does not work

    2. Re:Meaning of yhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither do half of the former dot-commies. Your point?

      If you want the real meaning of yhbt, visit this link. I think it sums it up nicely.

  36. No marketing drones - amazing!! by s13sr20det · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was there, the whole thing was impeccably organised and executed. Congrats to the organisers and presenters. For someone who is used to commercial conferences with their "Managing Your Server-side OLTP Business Process Modelling with [Acronym / Buzzword of the Month]" - style marketing presentations, this was a breath of fresh air. The technical knowledge present was immense, every person there was enthusiastic, and I left feeling inspired and motivated. One of the greatest moments for me was watching the reaction of Linus, Tridge and Bdale to one of the "How do you think Linux will bring about World Peace" style questions. Tridge's answer: "Just don't think about it too much." That really illustrated for me the whole mood of the conference - technical people doing what they love doing, with no (or little) politics and no marketing crap. And Rusty - the man is not just a genius. In fact he's definitely not a genius. But he sure can take the piss! ;P

  37. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

    I wasn't that suave! I also wasn't interested enough to try for the booth babe headhuntresses/marketroids - success struck me as too close to a love doll experience. Yuck! I just can't see falling in love, or even lust, with people who use "partner" as a verb.

    There was a contract tester (like me) I courted - she favored wearing waffle-knit thermal tops and that just kills me! Alas, I think she wanted someone a little more into her flavor of religious experience. /browses for waffle-knit thermal tops for wife

  38. err... by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps you're not familiar with Australia's weather: it was hot. There's no sense in dressing up to the hilt in suit and tie when it's 37 degrees centigrade outside. Did you want attendees dropping like flies as they walked across the lawns from one conference room to another?

    LCA is a technical conference, held in a relaxed country, attended by friendly, informal people whose work attire generally consists of jeans and t-shirts. We weren't there to peddle our wares to big business, and if big business wanted to be there, then they'll have to damned well accept us on our terms.

    If you want suit and tie, go to a stuffy US business expo.

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  39. Yikes! He Brings Terror! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Re:What the .... by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

    Say what you will about my the US, but we are in the majority as far as driving on the correct side of the road.

  41. cool, how's UCC these days by blisspix · · Score: 1

    did any of the delegates take the opportunity to visit host campus UWA's University Computer Club? I was a member as a fresher back in '96 and although I never actually made it to the club (I was that shy and reclusive back then) I did enjoy very much reading the fresher guide. heh.

    Does the coke machine still run?

    1. Re:cool, how's UCC these days by grolim13 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they still have the coke machine.

    2. Re:cool, how's UCC these days by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Dunno how there doing, I remember being a non-student member ten years ago, coming in and meeting the guy who slept there so he could wake up at 6am and play nethack till 10pm and go back to bed. (That said, four years later I discovered MUDs and had a simmilar spell :)

      I did like those guys :) Plus they turned me onto minix, which eventually turned me onto linux invented by mr Torevalds a year later.

      I remember they also had some bashed up old VAXes, which at the time was reeeeal cool.

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    3. Re:cool, how's UCC these days by firstnevyn · · Score: 1

      The coke machine is still there.
      $finger coke@ucc.asn.au

      What's more they have a device for crushing cans
      $finger wesley@ucc.asn.au

  42. How disappointing Australia!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I never thought I would see the day when I would be ashamed of my fellow Australians. The recent election campaign was the most disgusting display of bigotry and intolerance I have ever seen. I used to think this was the best country in the world but no more. The best country in the world would be full of decent, tolerant, caring people not the raving xenephobics we seem to be in Australia at the moment.

    It wasn't always like this. I remember the seventies when we had numerous boatloads of "reffoes" from south east asia, and although we made fun of them and called them names we still accepted them happily and they have on the whole made our country a much better place to live, much more diverse,interesting and I think, until recently, content society. What happened to us??

    What is wrong with Australia??
    How many refugees are we talking about here 20,000? 50,000? 100,000?
    NO!!! Less than 10,000!!!!!
    And here we all are freaking out that we are being overrun and taken over by illegal refugees. WHAT UTTER CRAP!!!
    So after a marathon journey with no possessions and no real idea where they will end up what do we do to these people? Us wonderful , kind , caring Aussies?
    We send in armed troops and forcibly transport them to some speck of bird shit in the middle of the Pacific!!!
    How kind and compassionate of us!!!

    Australia's newly re-elected government is racist and divisive and has used the Tampa crisis, and the september 11 terrorist attacks to scare and divide an ignorant public in a sleazy and patronising manner. As a re-election ploy it will have to go down in history as one of the most evil of them all. The right wing coalition have once again shown their true colours of intolerance and bigotry and how antisocial they really are. They don't care about people. All they care about is power and money and greed. To use these sad, downcast people to scare the Australian population into thinking that there was an invasion in progress just shows how easy they find it to lie and cheat the Australian public. And just how gullible and ignorant are Australians really?? What other bullshit are we capable of swallowing? If they do this now what is next????

    If this is the way most Australians want to be then it is no wonder other countries see us as backward yokels who live thirty or forty years behind the rest of the world. All Australians should hang their heads in shame and it will be no suprise if our neighbors in Asia shun us for the way we have acted and the mean and nasty attitude we show towards our fellow human beings.

    Where is the Australian spirit of giving everyone a fair go? Where is the good old Aussie "mateship"? How did we let Johnny Howard steal them from us? How can we let him turn us into bigots like him? Come on Australia! We can do better. We can set an example for the world. We don't have to be like the rest of the western countries. Corrupt and uncaring about anything but our own interests. We have always been well liked by every country and race around the world. Do we want to lose that?? We will very soon if we act like all the other repressive overbearing western countries do towards poverty stricken people from other parts of the world. We should help people if we can and we should share what we have. We should be friends with our neighbors not have the state of antagonism this government seems to deliberately aim for.

    We are still a very lucky country and by trying to be elitist and exclusive will only show the rest of the world that we are immature and nasty people who havn't learned the basics of human decency and civility. If we keep going in the same direction of ignorance and intolerance then I can see a day when Australia will have race riots and maybe even civil war. Already we are seeing a rise in crime amongst young people belonging to ethnic minorities due to the lack of integration into the community and because the community treats them as second class citizens and subjects them to racist treatment and attitudes.

    COME ON Australia!!!! Think about how we want to be.
    A happy, inclusive, friendly sort of a place or a nasty, fortress, restrictive sort of a place??? If people around the world like and respect Australia and its people then wouldn't that make us more secure than anything else??? On the other hand if we antagonise and dislike our neighbors dosn't that put us in more danger than we have ever been before??????
    (from google)

  43. If it's true? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Gimme a fucking break.

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  44. Hobart 2005? by Chuq · · Score: 1

    Now we just have to see if Hobart will get it in 2005 or not! I don't know how likely it is - TasLUG isn't dead, but it's not massively active.

    However we are getting the Annual SAGE-AU Conference this year (it took us until year number 11!).

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    1. Re:Hobart 2005? by hayden · · Score: 1

      Like Tassies going to ever get anything! Peanut :)

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  45. Re:Umm, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if you take a world view you are not.

  46. Too bloody right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sucks big time that I have to post this as an AC. But its just too risky to do other wise. Howard has hijacked the national psyche ... and that includes many ethnic groups .. this racism is with the support of many different races ... really not so much racist as religious intolerance ... directed against Islam.

    Howard will go down in history the same way as McCarthy did in the US, except McCarthy had less influence.

    Most Australians .. like most of any nation are sheep. The big flaw in democracy sadly. When they wake up from this there is going to be a mighty retribution.

    Anyway ... my 2 cents. Gees I'm pissed off!

  47. linux.conf.au by davydmadeley · · Score: 1

    From an organisers perspective, I think linux.conf.au went off really well.

    The only disappointing thing from my corner of the conference was that I didn't get a chance to see a lot of talks.

    If you're really interested in coming to linux.conf.au next year (there isn't a URL yet afaik), then why not come join us on IRC. The channel for the conference past is #lca2003, and the channel in creation is #linux.conf.au, both of these on freenode (irc.freenode.net).

  48. Relevant official AU Government webpage by kfg · · Score: 1

    http://www.asio.gov.au/Review/comp.htm

    KFG

  49. About Linux coverage by WebCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's great to see all the Linux coverage, especially from media sources that are general interest in nature rather than exclusively technical.

    However, there is one interesting side effect that Linux advocates should keep a watchful eye for. With the increase in publicity also comes the increas in misinformation. It isn't always intentional (such as FUD from Microsoft that is so often complained about on Slashdot), but it can be annoying (or worde, damaging) nonetheless.

    Take for example, the article from "The Age" mentioned above. This is a minor example, but illustrates my point well:

    Rather than copyrighting the Linux code, Torvalds published it on the Internet and invited others to offer improvements.

    Sure, Linus freely distribtued the code to his Linux project on the internet, however the code to Linus REMAINS COPYRIGHTED. This mis-statement was not meant to damage the Linux cause--but it doesn't help the general public understand the concept of "Free" software versus free (as in beer), and that Free Software doesn't mean anti-copyright.

    In fact, copyright is the very thing that keeps the source to Linux truly Free. Without the power of copyright the owners of Free source code would have no way of defending the GPL. Conversely, developers couldn't choose to distribute their works in traditional closed-source fashion. Although copyright law has been perverted and abused in recent years, copyright in its truest sense is a fundamental right in the protection of "free speech" (not only should citizens enjoy reasonalbe protection to express their thoughts as they wish to--be it the spoken or written word, music, film or even computer programming--they should also have some right to control how that expression is used). It's a tough balancing act of course--the DMCA extends much to far into the realm or IP protection, allowing the owner of copyrighted work so much unchecked power that it stifles freedom of expression.

    Such a simple mis-statement and it warrants an entire article on its own. To assist the press in accurate coverage, perhaps the organisers of Linux conferences should put together press kits that place a lot of emphasis on the concept of Free Software and background on Linux that extends beyond pure technical information. Of course one cannot be sure writers would read the material, however ditribution of such information would make it easier to respond to widely published factual errors

    Perhaps some letters to the editor praising the positive coverage, and at the same time correcting misinformation would do a lot of good for the Linux community...

    1. Re:About Linux coverage by EddieSam · · Score: 1

      copyright in its truest sense is a fundamental right in the protection of "free speech"

      This is false. Copyright is a government granted privilege, not a right, fundamental or otherwise. The government grants a creator a limited time monopoly on created works in exchange for creating the works in the first place. In theory, the works eventually become public domain and benefit everyone (hence "limited time"). Most importantly, copyright has absolutely zero to do with the right to free speech.

      they should also have some right to control how that expression is used

      This is also false. The privilege granted by copyright extends to the copying and distribution of copyrighted works. It makes no restrictions on any other use of those works.

      the DMCA extends much to far into the realm or IP protection

      The DMCA extends copyright into the realm of control of the use of a work, not just the copying and distributing of a work. That (and the loss of fair use rights) is why the DMCA is evil, not because it more effectively controls copying than previous copyright law.

  50. Too unlikely to be true. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A "Quantas" desk at customs? A "victim" being handed back to his pals and a German representative in a bloodied and beaten state? No corroborating evidence in an airport lined with cameras? In the unlikely situation that the police did say bugger off lawyers would be climbing all over each other to get their opportunistic heads on TV crying racism. International diplomatic incidents such as the one described do not just disappear, particularly in a country where the media loves to find a racial aspect on any news item. I'll believe it when I hear about it somewhere with more credibility than an AC on slashdot.

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    1. Re:Too unlikely to be true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is German, it's likely he did not know the difference between a customs desk and a Qantas desk, in Germany Luftansa desks are also customs desks :) More likely he probably came near a Qantas desk (from what he describes).

      It appears that he fainted through his interogation, and quite possibly the goons might have made a mistake on him, when they figured out they made a mistake they must have called the german officials and tried to make everthing tidy?
      From what I gathered, he only came around when he was once again back with his friends.

      It is possible that the author does not wish to press any charages? He does seem to want any more attention directed towards him (this is true for most victims in most crimes, which is a big problem). This is the problem with rape, racial and other types of hate victims.

    2. Re:Too unlikely to be true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? I am an Aussie living in Germany and the custom desks I have seen are never, ever related to the Lufthansa desks. In Frankfurt Airport for example, they are next to Passport control.

  51. Re:What the .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mind you, apart from the reliability of statistics, there are a couple of other things to consider:

    - only 12% would consider it without UN agreement. That figure is much higher elsewhere (33% in the US).
    - the remoteness of Australia means a higher feeling of safety & detachment, so maybe people felt they were commenting on "someone else" having the war.
    - our "don't know" figures were pretty low. So maybe culturally we're more definite about things :) That extra 5-7% or so would almost certainly push some other countries (the US at least) higher.

    Still seems a rather high figure, but "would you support a war that the majority of the world agreed was necessary?" will give very different results to "would you support a war if the US decided it was necessary?"

  52. Linux.conf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a take on linux.conf.au which has been missed
    (as are a great many other things) by Slashdot.

  53. Re:What the .... by Eris13 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That article was rather badly written with the apparent intent of making the facts look worse than they really are. "The Gallup International survey, released today, found 68 per cent of Australians backed military action against Iraq, with 56 per cent in favour only if the United Nations supported it." "In Australia, levels of support for war outstripped even the US, where the poll showed 67 per cent supported military action." Wooo 1% more than the US. Thats really statistically significant that is. Pillocks.

  54. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it funny because it doesn't make sense?

  55. Just look at the facts! by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1
    and see there aren't any.
    it's likely he did not know the difference between a customs desk and a Qantas desk, in Germany Luftansa desks are also customs desks :)
    Is that supposed to make me think he didn't fabricate the story, or that he fabricated it based on his knowledge of German airports without having been to an Australian one. The difference between Qantas and customs desks are quite clear, one of them has a whacking great Qantas logo on it.
    More likely he probably came near a Qantas desk (from what he describes).
    Unfortunatly he doesn't say what airport he is clearing customs at so I can't tell you if that's impossible based on my airport knowledge.

    He's anonymous. The customs officers have their names inexplicably obscured and the one person who could presumably be contacted for more info who'd be outside any potential "cover up theory" is the German official who is inexplicably not named. No mention of what airport. No mention of what hospital. Not a single verifiable fact in the entire post.

    People seem to think tha professional politicians are the only people capable of lying to you for subversive purposes, sadly there's plenty of amateur reality spinners out there.
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  56. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Adelaide and some regional centres in South Australia you can contact other Linux users and get burned CDs of almost any distro for a couple of bucks;
    http://www.csdn.auug.org.au

    if you are not from Adelaide then start one of these amongst yourselves.

    and yes, Perth LCA 2003 rocked and so will LCA 2004 in Adelaide!

  57. Re:Was there some kind of entry requirement? by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

    No dude , there out there, you just gotta look above the chest line and LISTEN to realise that.

    I know many, extremely geeky perl coding lego loving beowulf loving lasses. Many are just too busy working on kernel patches to socialise.

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  58. Re:What the .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, I've heard stories of some US citizens trying to enforce their particular view of which side of the road is correct in countries other than their own ... and unfortunately, they died.
    Perhaps there's a lesson in there somewhere ...

  59. Tim Tams and other good things by ader · · Score: 1

    Telsa makes a point of mentioning Tim Tams (the Antipodean equivalent of Penguins, but much nicer), which are almost worth going to Australia for alone. (You can get them in NZ too - try the caramel ones.) Also, Cadburys chocolate tastes different, and much better, than the same brand in the UK.

    On the other hand, Wales has Tregroes Waffles...

    Ade_
    /
    (Professor of Chocology)

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  60. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I think it's more a KDE/GNOME thing. :)

  61. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There are a few providers that provide mirrors of linux software...

    and some of these provide this software free, or rather it doesn't count towards the download quota.

    However one can see that the providers in Australia are now slowly starting to shift away from the circa 13c/meg exceess download rates.

    A few have started offering plans that slow down once you reach your cap.(Netspace)

    One provider (Internode) even has a new flat rate sort of plan in which there are no download 'limits' or caps as such but rather a priority list, and peoples place on the priority list is based on how much they download...

    then in times of congestion those on the bottom of the priority list slow down a lot, those in the middle slow down a little, and those on the top dont slow down.

    Then when it gets uncongested again, everyone downloads fast...

    So I think theres some good Broadband plans out there now in Australia, the biggest problem in relation to Oz Broadband is Telstra... they have monopolised literally the whole broadband market and they are pretty much the sole reason why the uptake of broadband in Australia has been so slow.

    A good place to check out the Broadband scene in Australia is Whirlpool

  62. Re:What the .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    And quite wrong,
    > 75% against war w/o UN support

    In fact I haven't met anybody who actually supports the invasion of Iraq yet. Wonder where they are?

  63. Happens to Australians, too... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...and I think it just proves that there are shitheads of all sizes, colours and creeds in every society.

    My apologies to you. I am Australian, and I think I know something about how you feel.

    Some years ago, a computer shop I worked for was broken into, a few weeks after I stopped living on the premises. They used, would you believe, a circular saw on the lock of the (Al and glass) front door. A simple screwdriver or pry-bar would have forced any of the other windows or doors in the place almost silently, including ones opening on the side driveway, coneniently shielded from most prying eyes by a tall, opaque "super six" fence at the time. They stole a lot of old, non-moving stock, and a very few new computers (next shipment due soon).

    Anyway, the CIB (sort-of the local FBI equivalent) came knocking at the door of the house I was sharing, scared the daylights out of the girl I was sharing it with, forced their way in and searched my room. Lo and behold, lots of boxes marked Apple (I'd used them to stack my gear in for the move), so they got all excited, opened and upended everything looking for the missing computers. Not having any luck, they shot through.

    Some hours later, I came home to find my room a complete shambles. As I started tidying everything away again, the CIB dudes returned, knocked, asked me if I knew anything about it, and while I was answering (no) basically gathered around and forced me out to their car. They sped (illegal in Oz unless car has lights, siren and proximate cause) back to their office, locked me up in an interview room, and left me for an hour.

    They came back in en masse, one carrying a wire coathanger, and started asking me questions while they did stuff like whack the coathanger down hard on a book, then tap me with it. They started shoving me around, and threatened to do stuff like wrap me in a blanket (showed me the blanket) and then kick me at random spots through a 'phone book (so it would hurt like hell but leave no bruises).

    Instead of having the desired effect (cowing me), it made me really, really angry, and it became obvious to the leader (the only guy with any brains) that (1) I wasn't guilty; and (2) if they didn't stop, I was going to start hitting people really hard and bugger the consequences. So he called it quits and they drove me home. This made the rest of the thugs very angry.

    The only feature of your story that's missing from mine is that I wasn't a long way from home.

    The airport security at Perth is a joke. I strongly recommend that you don't, but if you wanted to blow up the Domestic terminal, you would just drive an old Tojo loaded with explosives, carefully but quickly, through the rent-a-car area on the north end of the terminal, through a pair of ordinary glass doors there, and you'd be right in the middle of the check-in queues. Blow your truck up there and you're assured of at least 400 deaths if there's a few flights due out. Same story at International, but it's the arrivals (East) end you'd be hitting - or you could make a smart left with same Tojo through the glass at the front. Even if those weaknesses were fixed, fly a light 'plane from Jandakot in low over the suburbs, pick a window, and fly through it - or play chicken with an inbound or outbound jetliner. There is nothing security could do about it.

    I think at some level the security people are aware of the pointlessness of what they are doing, and the dickheads among them react as those who dealt with you did: by trying really hard to make enemies for Australia where none existed before.

    If for any reason you need to come to Australia again, email ahead. One of our members is a lawyer who would gladly go through the rituals ahead of time for him to be there to escort you through Customs.

    Oh, and contact the LCA people about a refund on your conference fee (I'm one of the lesser helpers). Once we know who you are so we can be certain you're not a hoaxer, we might also post a story (without your name) on our pages and do whatever following up we can do, locally.

    Even if the police do nothing, we can hound politicians, tourism people and others until something positive gets done.

    <rant>I personally am sick to the eyeballs of the stuffing around of peoples' lives that has happened since 911. The - well, I don't have a bad enough word to use - things that organised that little atrocity are winning. They've degraded life in Western countries, and degraded life for "their own" people as well. They've given a lot of previously underemployed mentally ill bullies an excuse to hurt people, and the USA has been pretty close to completely ineffective against them.

    One has to wonder why. One has to wonder who in this tired old world would benefit from practically everyone else's misery.

    Most of the major events in this world, pain suffering and death brought to millions, have been caused by political intrigue, by greedy people who sought to rule the world, thought they could do things better than everyone else, and always, always, "know" how to manage other people, what's good for those others, what sacrifices their subjects should make, but they think themselves different, aloof, special, exempt.

    They are not special. And the day of reckoning will come, no matter what they do, no matter what I do.</rant>

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  64. Ashamed to be Australian by acb · · Score: 1

    Things like this make me ashamed to be Australian. Australia is rapidly becoming the South Africa of the 21st century, a rough redneck cowboy state. Australians have acquired a reputation for bigotry and violence which is (for most of them) not deserved; if an Australian in London or New York makes a racist statement (as throwaway pop star Dannii Minogue did some months ago), people excuse them because, well, they're Australian. If you're Australian, people expect you to be a bigoted redneck arsehole, and probably spit on the floor as well; all thanks to our cowboy Prime Minister, who's still overjoyed at the nice shiny deputy's badge George W. Bush gave him.

  65. Fifteen of whom... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    How many refugees are we talking about here 20,000? 50,000? 100,000? NO!!! Less than 10,000!!!!!

    Fifteen of these recently brutalised some guards; six of those vanished through the fence into the underworld. The very six Australia least needs, methinks.

    I know lots of delightful New Australians, but the ones who do that kind of thing, and stuff like sewing their kids' lips together, worry me. I don't want to import nasty culture and criminals along with nice people.

    Again, I think that these actions, and the incident at the top of this comment tree proves that there are dickheads in every country and culture. The trick is not to leave the dickheads in positions of power.

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    1. Re:Fifteen of whom... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Yah dude, it was an unfortunate event, but these folk are really desparate. Many face deportation to countries where they face torture and death. Also many psychiatrists have noted that indefinate detention (Of developed countries, australia is the ONLY one that does this) of unknown time incommunicado can lead to radical behaviour. Keep in mind that the chief inspector dude of west australian prisons has been banned from detention centres, because he commented that the refugees are treated worse than animals and murderers in high security prisons enjoy much better conditions, and noted that in prison administration circles, it is felt that riots ONLY occur due to mistreatment and mismanagement of prisoners. Put it this way, I can't remember the last time prisoners rioted in west australia.

      Letters from refugees,
      Baxter watch

      Cathlic groups information sheet,
      Edmund Ignatious Rice centre, Debunking myths about Asylum Seekers"

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    2. Re:Fifteen of whom... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
      I can't remember the last time prisoners rioted in west australia.

      I can. Twice. Once in old Freo prison, and more recently in, surprise, an (note the next word carefully) illegal immigrant detention centre up north.

      The problem I have with the recent escapees is that they just vanished. The escape was too well organised to have been just a few poor families.

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    3. Re:Fifteen of whom... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Yeah. But that's presicely the point.
      Fremantle prison was closed down along time ago after prison aguards complained it was impossible to manage the prisoners morale (Which was an 18th century limestone hellhole with buckets for toilets) .

      And thats the exact point of the comment. The guy on the show, a head honcho of the wa PRISONS condemned the migrant detention camps as hell holes and said that the guards and ACM where to blame, because modern prisons just don't have riots any more. They have known for ages that its not the calibre of prisoner that causes riots, but unbearable conditions. And don't you think it's a little strange that refugees who've broken no laws (It is not illegal under australian law to come to australia by boat to seek asylum btw which is why Ruddock went bezerk when labor stopped him making it illegal. When Ruddock claims refugees are illegal , he's actually commiting a rather serious defamation offence.) are treated to conditions that'd make hitler proud while murderers cop 15 years in what amounts to a luxury appartment all expenses paid.

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  66. Re:How could you guys possibly know of linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the comment several times, and every time it lead to "Huh?"

  67. Re:Umm, no. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

    Not if you take a world view you are not.

    http://www.travel-library.com/general/driving/dr iv e_which_side.html

    According to this link, I absolutely am correct. 66% of the worlds population drives on the Right side of the road, while only 34% drives on the Left.

  68. Impressions by mathgenius · · Score: 1

    So I cooked up this logo for my local linux users group, and they nominated me for Sun's regional delegate program. Wow! Being flown across Australia to attend LCA2003, what a blast.

    <impressions>
    ...everyone knows linux, conversations start from that point,
    ...Saying hi to 5 people before my first coffee of the day;
    ...the kernel, is it too big? Can these guys pull it off?
    ...Where are the gcc people? Is this the GNU/Linux divide? It seems the kernel is in bed with GCC.
    ...Okay, some things are simpler in 2.5, phew!
    ...Another nametag, another famous person, another nerd, another one i've seen on my favourite mail list.
    ...in a room with 200 others (blechh) going over the SMP scheduler with Rusty... Do these people really know what this is about, or are they just groupies?
    ...Finding Linus and fam at a cafe; like royalty...
    ...So, GUI toolchain hackers get all the babes... i'm workin on it, i am. yes.
    ...Being heard, asking questions, we all geeky here, no need to be shy
    ...Meeting sun guy in toilet, thankyou thankyou, yes send more people next year!
    </impressions>

  69. Get in touch by gtk · · Score: 1

    If you're reading your thread, get in touch. There's a really, really simple solution to this: sic the media on the *named* officials concerned. As someone pointed out in another comment, they'll be all over it.

  70. this is the last ps0t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haha

  71. Why this is a troll. by James+Morris · · Score: 1
    I've contacted the conference organizers, who have pointed out the following issues:
    • No such person was invited by them to the conference, in fact, no KDE people from overseas were invited at all.
    • If this had happened to someone who was registered for the conference, there would have been a left-over name tag, which there wasn't.
    • It is extremely unlikely that he would have been handed over to German officals bloodied and beaten to the point where they sent him to hospital with no reaction from the German government.