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AOL Not Alone In Subscriber Decline

E-Rock-23 writes "Our registration-hungry friends at the New York Times are running this article with a few more details on the AOL Subscriber Decline, covered in a recent /. post. And it looks like they aren't alone, as Earthlink and MSN are experiencing similar troubles. The article cites a major reason being that users "are buying broadband services offered by cable and telephone companies." Looks like broadband is finally gaining some significant ground with home users..."

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  1. Here's a thought -- less disposable income! by Deagol · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's not forget that the economy is in the crapper. The $20-to-$30/month for a dialup subscription can feed a family for a few more days when things get tight.

    Yeah, broadband is a nice upgrade. But I bet more people disconnected due to money than the need for speed.

    1. Re:Here's a thought -- less disposable income! by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're right... the bottom line is people can get dial up internet service for $10/month. Even people that actually like using services like MSN and AOL are finding it not worth the extra money.

      Of course, AOL is available to me for free and I still don't use it, but then I didn't recently get laid off.

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    2. Re:Here's a thought -- less disposable income! by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The $20-to-$30/month for a dialup subscription can feed a family for a few more days when things get tight.

      Wouldn't this sort of thought process justify an increase in subscribers flocking to AOL/MSN to take advantage of the low cost, downgrading from broadband? Millions of people now have broadband at $40 or more per month, and following your hypothetical penny pinching scenario it would seem appropriate that they would downgrade to the $9.95 or less light usage plans most of these services offer. Claiming that someone entirely cuts themselves off seems extremist as the net represents one of the primary communications mediums today: How does one find and then communicate with prospective jobs without an internet connection?

      I counter your claims and would say that the rocketing adoption of broadband does as well: Everyone is getting broadband, and dial-up providers are going the way of Slashdot's editorial skills.

    3. Re:Here's a thought -- less disposable income! by Deagol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not talking about tech weenies like you and me. I'm talking about the slightly poorer folks who decided to indulge in that cool internet thing that's all the rage. When push comes to shove, I'd wager that when it's time to start trimming back (another kid on the way, dad's hours are cut back, or mom looses her job), people will cut the ISP before things like cell phones (1-year contract) and subscription TV (cable, satellite, etc).

  2. It was simple math for me! by Marqui · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I was with a local ISP, the cost of the 2nd phone line was $25.00 and my ISP was $15.00. Broadband through the cable company was $40.00 so it was a complete wash for a huge increase over 56k, why would I want to stay on dialup? They can thank all the baby bells for not wanting to go the "last mile" to give people a choice of providers.

    1. Re:It was simple math for me! by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I made the same choice years ago. And if you have other people in the house that want to use the internet, you can forget sharing a dial-up connection. Ah, memories of fighting for computer use. Casual users might be able to share a dial up to check e-mail and such, but as soon as you have a DAOC player, a pr0n fanatic, or slashdot reader you need full access 24/7.

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  3. Stickyness of email address masks the real problem by jj_johny · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think that AOL, MSN and every other ISP would have a lot higher churn if it was easy to get stuff forwarded. Since your email address is really the only way that people can get hold of you, it makes the switch difficult. And since every company wants to spend as little as possible on support, there are lots of unhappy people out there who just don't want to go through the hassle.

    As a former AOL employee, I still have an AOL account even though I find the service has ticked me off more than a few times but my wife can't really change her email address at this tmie. So we are like so many who just are waiting for the right time.

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  4. Re:Stickyness of email address masks the real prob by hagardtroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats why I bought a domain. My email address is permanent regardless of my provider. Changing emails is a real pain. ISPs rely on that - so they give great introductory offers, but raise the rates once they have you sucked in. With my own domain, I can changes ISPs painlessly.

  5. More savvy? by operand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the broadband push is one determining factor in changing from the powerhouse ISP's, but I also think users are *growing up* from AOL/MSN to using only their preferred browser. I consider AOL/MSN users to be novice and prefer to use these ISP's because of ease and simplicity. Now these users are gaining knowledge of the "internet" and have the ability to *surf* themselves without AOL/MSN pushing content to them directly.

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  6. Broadband... by blindcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    isn't what is used to be.
    Here in Germany you can get a 128kBit up / 768 kBit down async line. The best a normal household can aford is 192 kBit up / 1536 kBit down async.
    The problem is that as bandwidth goes up, quality of the net goes down.
    I heard people saying: "Why should I not place these 2MB images on my website? It's downloaded with my DSL line in seconds."
    And don't even try to tell these people what a thumbnail is.

    It's just one example but you can find more of these. People sending 15 MB .swf files via E-Mail to 20 different friends and the like.

    SQL Slammer won't have had the effect of broadband coming to every home.

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  7. Sharing broadband by roalt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Another advantage of broadband internet is that it is easy to share it with room-mates or neighbours. (even though it's not always allowed). It's a lot cheaper buying together one large broadband (ADSL or cable) internet connection than all using dial-up.

    With the coming of wireless internet, it even becomes simpler to share the net (you don't even have to dig or drill a line in the ground or wall for your ethernet cable). I think this also has some impact on the decline of dial-up subscriptions.

  8. Re:Of Course People are gowing broadband by Apreche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right on every count, except that it wont keep aol in business. AOL's business model depends on the fact that they will always be getting more subscribers. Even in AOL managed to keep everyone from leaving they would begin to lose money. The fact that people are leaving means big trouble for AOL. Mainly because they have a giant useless dial up ISP infrastructure. That infrastructure costs money, and if nobody uses it that's all loss. Sure there are a lot of idiots who keep paying for AOL after they get broadband. But unless AOL has a constant increase in membership they will have diminishing returns and eventually go bankrupt. They're still huge, so it wont happen soon, and they've still got a chance to save themselves.

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  9. The reason for Declines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since I work alot with the public and their computers let me tell you what I think the biggest reason for the decline is.

    90% of the houses I go to are for people who are upgrading and now want two computers. (Their old one + their new one) AOL requires a $20 subscription fee + more money for multiple screens and though you can have broadband and still use AOL they still charge an aol usage fee.... *yawn*

    So they upgrade to broadband because that 56k stuff has to go and because it can easily service two computers, they buy a router, they leave AOL but download the messenger to stay in touch with their buddies. They migrate to using Outlook Express (cringe) But they also have norton so I guess thats ok... sort of.

    Then they also cancel AOL + Second Phone Line and broadband is about the same price. Some even cancel their phone and do VoIP. (Its rare but there are some really good offers out there that even offer wireless phonejacks that you can sticky to your wall or plug into an outlet...)

  10. Re:dsl vs cable! by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't say boradband via cable companies has a doomed future based on your singular personal experience, it just seemed ludicrous.

    Ultimately, I think both technologies have about equal potential, with one beating the other depending on where you are.

    DSL is offered by companies that typically have more experience in offering high-bandiwdth internet connections, so service and reliability I think is indeed, mostly better with DSL on average. However, as Cable companies have learned their lessons, it becomes harder and harder to distinguish the two. DSL still seems to typically offer better latency (around my area, at least), but cable services offer better throughput.

    To home consumers, the fine details don't make much of a difference. Availability makes all the difference. I can't get DSL at any decent rate. None of my family can get it at all. I do, and my family could, all have cable modem at 2 megabit downstream, 768k up. In addition to that, a sort of unintended benefit of cable modem service is that there is a good chance the installer won't bother with a video filter and you get free cable with the net connection. I know, not a fair comparison because cable companies hate this, but realistically speaking, it must be considered.

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