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Comdex Operators File for Bankruptcy

VileScum writes "According to this article in The Australian, Los Angeles-based Key3Media Group, the company operating the giant Comdex trade show, filed for protection from its creditors yesterday in the United States Bankruptcy Court. Does this mean I have to start buying cloths again instead of getting them at trade shows?" Also see a story in The New York Times. Concerns of bankruptcy were voiced last November.

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  1. cloths? by jd81eldo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got a few free shirts at Comdex, but I never saw a booth giving out free cloths

    1. Re:cloths? by Bob+Vila's+Hammer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the 'cloths' he is referring to are handed out for the 'overexcited', 'premature', hot-new-gear related 'testicle accidents' that happen at such trade shows. Its a shame, comdex going down, those dead or alive 3 cloths are hard to find otherwise.

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    2. Re:cloths? by K8Fan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Most of my T-shirts are from trade shows. Now I just need the booth weasles to start throwing pants out to the crowd. Some socks and underware would be nice too.

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  2. This is just a protective move by Hairy_Potter · · Score: 4, Funny

    to protect them against an incipient class action lawsuit by inexperienced geeks who were tramautized by picking up "girls" in Las Vegas with large Adam's Apples during the last Comdex.

  3. Get your clothes at Adultdex instead by YeOldeGnurd · · Score: 4, Funny
    The sex industry is recession-proof. I'm sure Adultdex isn't going under.

    Oh, but I guess they don't do clothing there, do they. Darn.

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    1. Re:Get your clothes at Adultdex instead by peekitty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well no, but some cloths might come in handy.

    2. Re:Get your clothes at Adultdex instead by gadget+junkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, I used to believe that. then I bought Mustang Ranch at the IPO.

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  4. Comdex Memories by kahei · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Long ago, before I had a Real Job(tm), I helped out at one of the very first comdexes to earn money to buy crusts of dry bread.

    And there were all these people there, totally focused on building a stand that was better than the next stand, which in turn was trying to be better than the next one. Not because all the people loved stands or anything, but just because they'd all talked each other into believing it was really important.

    And they totally broke their backs to get their stands ready, they seriously worked 20 hour days to make sure their glossy stand thing worked perfectly and all the brochures and things were in the right place, although none of them actually cared about brochures or stands.

    It was this experience(*) that has made me cynical about capitalism in general and trade shows in particular. The sense of 'why not just stop bothering' that I acquired then has stood me good stead ever since :)

    (*)Along with the Tale of the Uneaten Breakfast, but that's another story.

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    1. Re:Comdex Memories by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


      Long ago, before I had a Real Job(tm), I helped out at one of the very first comdexes to earn money to buy crusts of dry bread.

      RMS is that you? Oh wait you mention having a job..

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    2. Re:Comdex Memories by Deagol · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, because marketing, while it may seem silly and unimportant to you, is what makes companies sell shit.

      Funny. I thought that having a good product, especially one that people use and want, caused people to buy shit.

      Ah... there's the problem (or at least I consider it a problem). Many seem to believe that the economy should be push-driven (companies "sell shit") versus a pull-driven one (people "buy shit").

      I've never understood goofy multi-million dollar superbowl adverts, trade shows, cold-calls, door-to-door salemen, pop-ups, or even everyday radio/tv commercials.

      Hell, if I want to buy a car, I'm gonna research what's out there. You can be damned sure I'm not going to let a 30-second glossy TV ad influense a $25,000 purchase. That scales down to things as cheap as paper towels and tooth paste.

      I realize that the big model is to make people believe thay want crap they don't need, whether that crap is quality or not (more often not). Here's a thought: make quality products that fill a real need (give me better reception on my cell phone, not a dazzling array of colored faceplates for the phone) and people will seek you out. In other words, "Build it, and they will come."

      I once worked for a small software firm which produced a niche point-of-sale system. I talked with several of the sales droids there. They honestly believed that without Sales (that is, the department, not actual cash sales) that the world would collapse into economic ruin. I always took the opposing view, but they'd hear none of it.

      It's one thing to have a passive presense to have your name in circulation (phone book entry, web page, small ads in the back of trade rags, etc.), but to devote so much money to something as wasteful as salesmen and advertising seems silly to me.

      Maybe I'm just a more demanding "consumer" than most, but most everything I buy is based on my own opinion, not advertising.

      Sometimes, I've decided to avoid brands solely because of how stupid the commercials are. May Utahns out there who have seen or heard the Totally Awesome Computers ads are sure to agree with me.

      And yes, I realize that I just poked a hole into my argument in that past paragraph. That counterpoint to anti-advertising is "brand recognition" -- the philosophy that if you remember a brand (even in a negative way), the advert has done its job. Rubbish.

    3. Re:Comdex Memories by bob670 · · Score: 2, Funny
      The average consumer doesn't actually do his market research...he asks the sales person in the store, and thus buys something way overpriced/over-spec'd for what he wants.
      This explains why my dad has a Dual PIV Xeon running 2 terrabytes of storage and Windows 2003 beta for his new desktop. Damn BestBuy sales drones.
  5. noooo!! by borgdows · · Score: 5, Funny

    Computer industry will be doomed without the yearly 'Bill Gates COMDEX Keynote' !! ;-)

  6. I steal all my cloths by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Funny

    From restaurants. You can get dishtowels, napkins and tablecloths.

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  7. unsurprising by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comdex has been in steady decline for a few years. I don't think anyone's exactly floored by this announcement, which is just ceiling the fate we all saw coming as the trade show has become increasingly walled in.

    Then we have trade shows like LinuxWorld that have trouble selling enough booths to cover their costs. I don't think this is anything to be upset over. The Internet is to some extent doing away with the need for meatspace trade shows, and in these lean times it's hardly shocking that businesses don't want to throw away money on a trade show booth that could be spent in their web presence with many times the return on investment.

    So, the Comdex bankrupty filing has been found, as legend foretold.

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    1. Re:unsurprising by RecoveredMarketroid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having worked in the marketing department of a company that traditionally exhibited at Comdex, I'd absolutely agree that the writing has been on the wall for a long time. But I would note that it started long before the ecomonic downturn.

      The decline in exhibitor interest was precipitated by a deterioration in the quality of attendees. We used to see a lot of real prospective B2B customers, people who were knowledgeable. Over time, COMDEX seemed to reduce the 'admission requirements' to increase revenue; over time, these customers were mostly replaced by consumer tire-kickers and people looking to drop off resumes.

      I'm not knocking comsumers (or job seekers!), but the reality is that most of the exhibitors didn't survive on consumer sales...

  8. Too bad by SpikeSpegiel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is regretable, I wonder if they will continue to run Comdex after emerging from bankrupcy. I remember reading about comdex displays (as I have been unable to get to the west coast) and a lot of the stuff was damn cool.

    I guess I am just nostalgic for the supercooled 800MHz Alpha from Comdex '98. I got to play with that machine in Digital's labs in Marlboro...it was fun :-)

  9. Yay, no more junk mail. by OppressiveGiant · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope this means I stop getting email from key3media asking me to register for the next comdex.

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  10. Corporate accountability by Sonicboom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With all the failed companies (Enron, etc..) and all of the "dot-bombs", I can't help to ask myself who's to take responsibility?

    Today's corporate leaders are the "Robber Barons" of the late 19th century. Unfortunately (*in the USA*) the Government doesn't seem to watch/regulate corporations, nor do they seem to care. The end result is the rich getting richer, and the average working guys like you and I are getting screwed.

    Oh - Don't worry - some other company will spring up and take over Comdex... or they'll re-create it under a different name.

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  11. Conventions are doomed anyway by Mononoke · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ever exhibit at a convention? Ever seen the bills you have to pay? The convention support firms (Freeman decorators, various unions, et al.) are killing the business.

    Just a few of the typical expenses (daily rates):

    • $20 to rent an $8 table.
    • $25 for access to an electrical outlet. Don't plug anything in yourself, though, or some teamster will break your fingers.
    • $200 for access to a fractional T1 (a very small fraction, most times).
    • $10 to rent a $4 chair.
    • Want carpet? That'll be $100. Want that carpet unrolled?...
    • Bring your own equipment? Too bad, you've got to pay a fee to be allowed to use it.
    You haven't dealt with monopolies until you've tried to exhibit at a convention. One company controls all access, labor, and equipment, and you've got no say over how any of it is handled.

    A manufacturer's money is much better spent sending out press releases and designing an infomative web presence.

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    1. Re:Conventions are doomed anyway by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Funny
      They pefrom a safety inspection on the wire, i.e. cutting it into tiny bits if it is a crappy extension cord

      Heh. As an electrician and former member of the electricians union in Vegas (IBEW 357) I got to set up a few of these shows. When you see some nimrod powering a bank of 500W halogen spotlights off a 14-gauge Wal-Mart extension cord and wondering where that smell of burning plastic is coming from, you'd do the same thing. I had trouble not trying to strangle them with it afterwards, myself.

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    2. Re:Conventions are doomed anyway by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Preach it, brother. And in a few years when trade shows in general are decimated, I bet we'll see these same unions whine about the unfairness of it all and demanding a taxpayer handout in the billions,

      That is utter crap. It isn't Union labor that is responsible for the conference hall charging $20/day for an $8 chair. The conference hall charges have nothing at all to do with what they pay their employees, they are simply gouging on the part of the conference hall operators.

      If you have a meeting in a hotel the hotel will charge you $20 a piece for an 'executive meeting maker', that is a 5"x7" pad of 10 sheets of cheap paper with the hotel logo crudely printed on it and a cheap pen which together cost perhaps $5 cents. Add in another 5 cents worth of hard boiled sweets and thats it.

      Of course it is much easier to blather on about evil unions. Predjudice is sooo much easier than thinking for yourself.

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  12. How not to survive a downturn by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the NY Times article, two quotes that explain it all:

    "Crucial exhibitors began dropping out, some going out of business themselves, and others scaled back the elaborate booths that had been a staple of the dot-com era. And as Key3Media's business began looking tenuous this fall, some exhibitors became reluctant to commit to shows even six months away."

    Business cycles go up and down, and the smart business will prepare for these down cycles. After all, you cannnot assume that good times will continue indefinitely. There does come a time when companies will hesitate to spend the money to exhibit. Did Key3Media plan accordingly?

    " Key3 Media -- built up in the late 1990's as the technology boom was reaching its crest -- around the same time accumulated substantial debt, making it especially difficult to operate when the downturn in technology became sustained."

    Oops. Yet another victim of boom mentality. It seems they jumped in with both feet when the feeding was good, did the usual VC thinking of growth, growth, growth at the expense of debt, debt, debt, and now find themselves hurting when the inevitable down cycle occurs.

    Comdex provided me with a lot of fun memories. I hope it continues just so we have a place to go poke buttons and admire large screens in person. But it helps when the owners of the show (no longer Shelley Adelson) are focused on the show, not soley on the bottom line and growth for growth's sake.

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  13. No, he meant cloths by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

    I regularly spill coffee while at work. While a T-shirt is rather a nice thing to get, the utility of a cloth is much greater, and those companies that give them away are more likely to get my custom.

  14. Where were all the Comdex is dieing posts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I went to my first Comdex in 1983 or so. Apple II computers ruled, IBM was a novelty, then the next year IBM ruled. I stood right next to Bill Gates waiting for the exhibit hall to open one morning, and it didn't seem so awesome. Maybe I should have asked him for an autograph.

  15. Another victim of the economy by Vapor8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an IT professional for the past 10 years, I can tell you that my employer has stopped expensing people's trips to Comdex. There's just not enough ROI there to approve the expense anymore. And with companies losing money left and right, extraneous expenses like trips to Comdex are the first things they look at when they want to cut costs.
    Once the economy rebounds, either Comdex, or another trade-show will rise from the ashes and become *the* place to be if you're an IT professional. Until then, corporations are more worried about bottom-line and stockholder expectations, than letting Joe IT go on a trip to Vegas...

    1. Re:Another victim of the economy by HeyBob! · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      I think the trade show demise is more the victom of the web. 6 years ago, at Comdex, when you wanted more info on a product, the booth-bodys referred you to their web page - no brochures, no knowledge.

      It used to take me two days to to the trade show in Toronto (before it was overtaken over by Comdex). The last Comdex here, I did in 2 hours.

      Computer shows were great when you could find products that you never knew existed and could talk to the actual designers. When it became more focused on the end user, the consumer, the web became a much better medium.

  16. Perspectives by Deton8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know, it's all in how you look at it. Since Comdex was surrounded by clouds of doom, virtually none of my competitors exhibited and thus anyone looking for my type of product had little else to do but to visit my booth. We got a thousand leads during the week, and many of these have turned into sales (we make expensive enterprise stuff, so a handful of orders can pay for the show). Another interesting thing was that due to the shitty economy, it seemed like the only people walking the hall were people who worked for companies who actually needed to buy things. Nobody was sending people to Comdex just for the hell of it. So there were a lot fewer morons asking for shirts, pens, mouse pads, and, of course, nobody asked for a cloth. I do agree, though, with previous posters who rail against paying $25 to rent a $3.99 power strip, and other such atrocities. How someone can go bankrupt doing this is beyond me.

    1. Re:Perspectives by Mononoke · · Score: 3, Informative
      I do agree, though, with previous posters who rail against paying $25 to rent a $3.99 power strip, and other such atrocities. How someone can go bankrupt doing this is beyond me.
      It's not the promoters of these conventions that get that money. It's the "decorating companies" and unions that hold exclusive service contracts with the venue that can get away with charging that kind of money.

      The Exclusive Service Contract (and the Exclusive Labor Contract) is a license to steal. However, it eventually drives off the venue's customers.

      Don't worry, the decorating companies aren't going bankrupt, just the promoters and venues.

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  17. Conferences will Continue by jim.b0b · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems that according to their press release, they have a plan and intend to continue with all conferences.

  18. Look at it this way: by tmark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean I have to start buying cloths again instead of getting them at trade shows?

    On the other hand, while you might not be getting your clothes at Comdex, you are proportionately less likely to get beat up on the street for wearing said clothes and so baldly advertising your geekiness.

  19. Re:I'm amazed too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    This isn't school, this is /.
    Hey - new masthead!

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  20. Very upbeat, considering the bankruptcy and all... by Tsar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the memo that Key3Media CEO Fred Rosen sent out yesterday--it's even on InternalMemos.comalready.

    From: Fred Rosen - Key3Media
    Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:15 AM
    Subject: Important News From Key3Media
    February 3, 2003

    To Our Colleagues in the Technology Community:

    We wanted to let you know about some news that will have a very positive impact on our ability to serve you going forward. Key3Media today reached an agreement to recapitalize the Company. It includes a voluntarily filing for Chapter 11 protection, which will allow us to remove the majority of our debt, restore a healthy balance sheet and do business with you unencumbered by extraneous financial issues.

    All of our scheduled tradeshows and conferences will take place as planned. And, we can now begin to implement an array of new programs that will help make our industry-leading events even better.

    We are pleased that our plan is backed by accomplished investor Thomas Weisel Capital Partners. In addition to providing short term funding ? which will enable us to operate our business and meet our obligations during the proceedings ? they are providing long-term financing and strategic counsel to help the Company throughout this process and beyond. While Key3Media has been impacted by the combination of a recent global decline in the IT and networking industries, a significant amount of debt on its balance sheet, as well as a decrease in business travel and hospitality after the tragic events of September 11, 2001, Key3Media is a fundamentally sound business with a strong portfolio of brands, a large high-caliber client base, and a leading market position.

    We recognize that there continues to be significant demand for face-to-face marketing, and we remain committed to providing such forums. We sincerely hope this does not cause you any inconvenience and look forward to your continued support. We greatly value our relationship with you, and are committed to meeting your needs. We plan to exit the Chapter 11 process as soon as possible, with no disruption to our events. We fully intend to benefit from Chapter 11, by becoming a healthier, stronger company with a solid financial footing ? enabling us to continue to offer the world?s best information technology tradeshows and conferences.

    To view a FAQ document and for additional information, visit www.key3media.com. We will continue to update you as we move through the process, but if you have questions please don?t hesitate to call your Key3Media contact directly, or reply to this email with your message and we will respond to you within 48 hours.

    We look forward to continuing to work with you and are committed to giving you our best.

    Sincerely,
    Fredric D. Rosen
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    Key3Media Group

  21. Why Not Combine the Big Shows? by Spencerian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    COMDEX had its place, but in its commodity-based market, it couldn't pay the bills. LinuxWorld is stimulating intellectually but has problems paying for space. Macworld Expo is prosperous but has exhibit decline as well.

    Why not combine them all into a single expo in San Francisco? Mac OS X and Linux are second cousins in terms of the OS and have developed a symbiosis of sorts. Many products for Mac OS X work with Linux--and a show such as this would encourage vendors to make such products work.

    Every computer uses the technologies hawked at COMDEX, so it should break even, at least.

    And all would benefit from the larger crowds, and less expensive space.

    I picked SF since Apple has been inclined to stay closer to home for their shows and have considered backing out of other Macworlds in NY and Boston. An East Coast or Midwestern show might more fiscal sense, but I don't know which would be have more exhibitor and visitor oomph.

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  22. As a journalist by Stanl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find this news unfortunate. Comdex and the Consumer Eletronics Show are my two really big opportunities to get out of my small city, meet with companies face to face, and poke and prod technology that I don't have a chance to work with because I am too low on the press lists to get loaner units. Watching Comdex shrivel and die in Chicago was sad enough -- the technology press really needs these shows...

  23. Underware? by $rtbl_this · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that the stuff that turns into hardware if you don't wash it for weeks, or wetware when you get overexcited?

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  24. age limit was it's doom by spd_rcr · · Score: 2

    what's the key difference between the computer events that people attend & people could care less about. games, entertainment, & the chance to meet new contacts. when they brought in the age restriction they chased out the game companies & everyone that rode along on the entertainment industry.
    lets face it, games drive computer development & without them a day off work to go look at the latest hard-drive advancement is about as much fun as a trip to the dentist.
    check out the attendance @ E3.
    if i'm going simply to look up hardware specs, i'd rather stay in my cube & get paid. I had to laugh when wired ran articles on kids with their own sucessful web businesses (a few years ago) who couldn't even get into the show.

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