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Xbox Media Player Contest

mliu writes "Xbox Media Player, the GPL application that turns everyone's favorite hackable console (the Xbox) into a set-top-Divx/Xvid-playing- Shoutcast-radio-streaming- lean-mean-Mp3/Ogg-music-playing-all-while- sporting-a-pretty-user-interface-machine is holding a contest. They're in desperate need of help in terms of more developers and are holding a giveaway of 25 top of the line X2 Pro modchips for the 25 best patch submissions between now and March 31. If you don't know what Xbox Media Player is and/or feel the need to ask why bother hacking the Xbox, you have definitely gotta check it out. It turns the Xbox from Bill Gates' insidious plot to get into the living room into a set top box that can play practically everything even while sporting a sleek black look that won't stick out in your home theater system, and a user interface that your grandmother could use. And you can even run Linux on it in your spare time. It's no $100,000 but it's for a cause that is both more practical and useful if you ask me." The X-Box has proven itself an entertaining platform for hackers, and the XBMP is really excellent. When it has visualization plug-ins, I think it'll be a great way to put MP3s in your stereo.

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  1. XBox and media... by KefkaFloyd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The XBox would be a nice media player, yes, but wouldn't this sort of take sales away from MS Media Center machines?

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    1. Re:XBox and media... by wumarkus420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, because there is no TV tuner support for the X-Box. Especially considering the XP Media Center Ed. only supports a couple chipsets, somebody would have to come up with some type of USB solution, which of course would be ridiculous to use for PVR functions since the X-Box doesn't support USB 2.0.

    2. Re:XBox and media... by doofusclam · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are already mpeg2 USB solutions for win32 that could be used for the xbox with an adaptor, including those by hauppauge. You could also put one on the ethernet port though that would need different hardware. I'm personally waiting for hauppauge dec-2000t support, this usb box picks up mpeg2 from digital terrestrial transmissions in the UK and passes them thru USB. It's not impossible and people are already looking at it.

  2. just a question by quick_dry_3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    given that you need a mod-chip in order to run your own code on an Xbox, wouldn't the Xbox hackers that are interested in the contest have chips already?

    1. Re:just a question by JBark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure they do, but since they have been hacking at the XBox for quite a while, they probably have one of the first gen modchips that don't support a lot of the newer features available on something like the X2.

    2. Re:just a question by d7o3g4q · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So mod your second xbox. :) Actually, we're just happy to have someone donate something so that we can have a contest.

  3. why not? by doofusclam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe but if it turns out the developers of XBMP are making a product that the public want, without all that DRM crap, then why shouldn't they take sales away from MS?

    I use XBMP daily and it absolutely rocks - the only thing missing is MPC audio support but divx/xvid/mp3/jpg playback is nearly flawless and everyone who sees it is amazed (I even have my home videos I took with my DVCAM on there converted to XVid and its so much nicer than whipping out a VHS videotape)

    seany

  4. Visualizations Smisualizations by tunders · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When it has visualization plug-ins, I think it'll be a great way to put MP3s in your stereo.

    Is it just me who thinks that visualizations are completely unneccessary? When I am listening to music, I don't want some annoying repetitive picture flickering away in the background. They are an interesting toy, but add nothing to the experience.

    1. Re:Visualizations Smisualizations by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Is it just me who thinks that visualizations are completely unneccessary?

      No, you're not the only one! I use XMMS, but it's minimized and controlled with the buttons on the multimedia keyboard, or LIRC remote controller. No need for fancy UIs for me!

      And why do every media player have skin support? I tried to find a working media player without any lame skins and failed...

      ...well, there was VideoLanClient but even that doesn't work perfectly...

    2. Re:Visualizations Smisualizations by Vagary · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly, you're not doing enough drugs.

  5. PS2 by sakaruk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its a real shame that there isn't a team developing cool stuff like this for the Playstation 2 Linux.

  6. Re:So what? by doofusclam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it now comes with a 20gb drive.

    Because it has a 10/100 ethernet port and FTP support.

    Because it comes with ALL xvid/divx variants unlike that new Kiss xvid/dvd player which doesn't support qpel and gmc from the latest divx builds.

    Because it lets you listen to shoutcast stations.

    Because it can stream from smb shares on a pc or linux server

    Should I go on?

  7. Sponsored in part by a generous donation from M$ by pr0f3550r · · Score: 4, Funny

    How ironic the the banner I get this morning on the slashdot site is for Microsoft SBS2000 preloaded on an HP. Which technically means the advertising for the XBox contest is funded by M$. Man, they do have their hands in everything.

  8. And here we go again with the xbox by jeanjean83 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems as if mictosoft made a good move with the xbox. It seems to attract a great deal of the people that don't want to use windows. But for some reason a restricted computer by microsoft sounds good to the same people here. What's the catch here, could someone tell me?

  9. don't give Microsoft the numbers by g4dget · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What Microsoft needs most is sales numbers for XBox: that's what they need to attract developers. If you give them that, they will take over this part of the computer market as well, and you can bet that they sooner or later figure out how to make their consoles secure. Then you can kiss GPL or open source projects on that platform goodbye. Or do you think Microsoft is just kidding with Palladium?

    If you want a low-cost system for playing music and videos, get yourself a Mini-ITX system; they start at around $200. For gaming, pay a little bit more and get yourself a real PC with a high-end graphics card.

    1. Re:don't give Microsoft the numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting



      M$ does not make any money on the Xbox hardware, they make it on the software. If you saw last weeks post they lost around 380 million on the Xbox.

      A few of us buying an Xbox and modding it will not make their Xbox (home entertainment) division profitable.

    2. Re:don't give Microsoft the numbers by blitzrage · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But THIS console, which does all I want it to do, ISN'T controlled by Microsoft. In the future, if I can't hack it, I won't buy it. Then the bottom end drops out and they are stuck. I think the hacking is what is putting the xbox in the living room. I like the look of the xbox way better in my living room, and it's basically a cheap computer I just bought, with the advantage of having games specifically made for it, and it's online. What more can I ask for, not much other than more network capable games that rock.

      If you are TALKING about THIS xbox, then MS has no control, and I don't feel bad about using it. I am an avid linux fan, but damn this thing is slick.

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  10. Re:Linux? by doofusclam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does everything have to turn into a religious turf war where MS are concerned?

    Listen: XBMP is a damn fine project running on damn fine and CHEAP hardware. It's ideal for running Linux or Win32 ports 'cos its essentially standard x86 hardware and it's officially the coolest way to play *media* (very vague term that) in the living room. You may be an uber-geek but most of us don't want big fat beige PCs from WalMart next to our TVs.

    I don't care if MS lose or make money from my purchase - I just want to use the best tools for the job and XBMP on the XBox is this. In my house the Xbox remote control is used as much as the TV remote which says a lot about how useful non-geeks find it.

    So is there any chance of quitting this sort of crap? I don't care about kernels, beowulf clusters or Linus I just want to play my media and the Xbox does it magnificently. Credit where credits due eh?

    seany

  11. Re:So what? by shaklee · · Score: 3, Informative

    None of the xboxes come with a 20gb hard drive. When they see the LBA size on the hard drive start with a "20" they think that is the disk size, which it is not. The only hard drives shipping are 10gb.

  12. Re:So what? by FatalTourist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why bother? The whole reason most people getting in to hacking and fiddling with computers. Because it's FUN.

    Getting there is the interesting part.

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  13. GPL violation - mplayer by ddbsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See here for a post in the dicussion. I haven't kept up with more (such as if they have fullfilled the terms of the gpl by releaseing source).

  14. Re:So what? by doofusclam · · Score: 2, Informative

    The newer ones do, my friend chips a lot of xboxes and he opened one up on friday fresh from the shop with a 20gb drive. Though to be fair it's irrelevent because you can stream from a PC share anyway making the HD size a non issue.

  15. Visualization by d7o3g4q · · Score: 2, Informative

    When it has visualization plug-ins, I think it'll be a great way to put MP3s in your stereo.

    I'm working on a dll interface for the viz api. This is one feature that I'm very interested in finding some talented viz programmers, so if you're interested, please feel free to contact me on the xbmp forums.

    Thanks

  16. Dreamcast... by EverStoned · · Score: 4, Informative

    " turns everyone's favorite hackable console (the Xbox) "

    Hey! The Dreamcast Scene is just as hot right now, especially now that SDL has been ported!

  17. Can you legally compile XBMP? by Glyndwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last time I looked, I got the impression you could only compile XBMP using a warezed copy of the Xbox SDK. This was going to be the case until the OpenSDK project reached some maturity. This is why the XBMP website only supplies source and I have to scavenge binaries from Usenet or IRC.

    Assuming I was right in the first place, is this still the case? Be kind of a bummer if the only way to test your patch for this competition is via an illegally ripped MS SDK.

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  18. Why would my grandmother mod an Xbox? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >It turns the Xbox from Bill Gates' insidious plot to get into the living room into a set top box that can play practically everything even while sporting a sleek black look that won't stick out in your home theater system, and a user interface that your grandmother could use.

    How about just making a Linux box like that?

    Get one of those tiny MiniATX motherboards/cases, pick and choose other hardware and install Linux.

    Much more easier than modding an Xbox.

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  19. broadq Qcast Tuner for PS2 by nuxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although slightly off topic, if you are interested in something like this for your PS2, check out the broadq QCast Tuner for PS2. It too plays MP3s, OGG Vorbis, DiVX/xvid, MPEG-1, etc. It doesn't require a mod chip, which is nice, but it does requre the ~$40 PS2 network adapter. The developers are also extremely active on the forum, making it simple to get help.

    And no, I'm not a broadq employee, I'm just a really satisfied customer.

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  20. Mod Parent UP by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last time I looked, I got the impression you could only compile XBMP using a warezed copy of the Xbox SDK.

    At the risk of sounding like an AOLer, I'll chime in with my "me too!".

    I agree the XBMP certainly looks neat, and an inexpensive box that can play DivX movies would kick mucho ass, but I don't have the paitence to hunt down a mod chip from a respectable seller, find the proper "warezed" BIOS image I need and then find the binaries so I can burn an XBMP CD.

    The mod chips I have seen are also priced a far cry from the original $8 bucks or so I paid for my PS1 modchip back in the day. All costs considered, I could ALMOST buy a PC with TV-out for just about the same price.

    Not that this project isn't cool... It's just not really that cost effective.

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    1. Re:Mod Parent UP by Glyndwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I replaced my Win2k (I hadn't discovered mplayer when I built it) based DVD/DivX/mp3 box with a Xbox.

      Reasons? The Xbox was a lot smaller, it had an IR remote (this was a big thing), it had good codec support out of the box (XBMP is based on mplayer so plays pretty much anything). It's noisy but not much more noisy. I recycled the PC to a family member and couldn't be happier with the result. The biggest plus is the hard drive I have chock-full with SNES, Genesis and MAME ROMs, all complete with a decent joypad to play them with.

      I reckon you can now put together a chipped Xbox with a suitably big hard disk for about £300 or so, and at that price, I think it's a very compelling device.

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  21. Re:Buy SONY and buy NINTENDO. by doofusclam · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why? My Xbox is cheap and plays all my media, it also has more horsepower than the rest of those things put together.

    I tell you what, when your palmos based handheld can play DVDs, DIVX, XVID, MP3, DVCAM and any of a dozen other formats on my TV with quality as good as a top-end PC then come back to me?

    Or was your post nothing more than a barely-disguised advert for Linux without considering what other people want?

    By the way you can run Linux on it too.

    Slag off MS whenever it's relevent, which isn't here. If you have a better and cheaper way of viewing media and playing games on the living without a big-ugly ass beige PC humming away next to the TV then feel free to enlighten us.

  22. Re:Linux? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope, it's an NForce based chipset, but with a GeForce3.5 GPU and an Intel P3 based processor (It's not quite a celeron, not quite a P3). No Via guts to be found.

    BIOS is custom, and there's no legacy support in the chipset.

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  23. error...does not compute by sstory · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was there some sort of malfunction on Slashdot which caused 1000 words to appear where there should have been a summary?

  24. This REALLY bothers me ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Every freeking time on slashdot ...

    I think it'll be a great way to put MP3s in your stereo.

    Since when has this been a problem? Is the minijack to rca converter plugged into the line in of your stereo that shoddy of a setup? Does the numerous articles on putting a computer in your home entertainment center seem "too hard" or "not as cool" ??? As far as mp3's with a set top box, my DVD player, dreamcast, and laptop (which are all hooked up to the entertainment "glop" in my room) all have the ability to play mp3's I don't need another solution.

    I'm not bashing the article I'm all about hacking, but the constant fucking comments about "my home entertainment center needs something to play mp3's" has been solved!! I don't know of any reason why anyone would need another solution??

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    1. Re:This REALLY bothers me ... by doofusclam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes but it's all in one box. Some of us don't want a lot of boxes in our living romm, especially big beige ones. Further, DVD players are notoriously picky about the mp3s they play and rarely support other codecs and features such as replaygain, VBR and id3 tags.

      Let me relate my situation: I have ~800 albums on my PC hard drive (all of my cds by the way). Theres a decent enough stereo system in my computer room but the home theatre setup in my living room is better. Any time me and my friends are listening to our Pink Floyd or Britney or whatever it's a pain having to leave the living room.

      With the tunes on the xbox its just so much nicer and convenient sat on my sofa with the remote control. Also, to watch a DVD I don't even need to find it as it's probably already been XVid encoded and stuck on the hard drive.

  25. Wow. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Somebody mod this up, and then go look at the thing nuxx is talking about. It's ingenious - and as near as I can tell, every bit as elegant as the Xbox solution, if not more so. If you really want your media on your TV, why even bother with the complexity of a separate 'computer'? This thing will stream anything to your PS2 from your existing computer.

    I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I like this solution a whole lot better, philosophically. It's cheap too.

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  26. Slight problem? by op00to · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're developing for the Xbox, isn't it pretty much assumed that you HAVE a modchip already? Why would they be giving out modchips to people that are guaranteed to have one? Why not just give out cases of beer or something that the coders really need?

  27. Questions. by AftanGustur · · Score: 3, Informative


    I have been thinking (and I certainly am going to) about building a system out of PC/Linux/Pinnacle DC10 compresor card.
    But if I can get a working system for only 300 Euros That'l be cheaper..

    My question to anyone who actually has a XBox : Does it make a lot of noise ? A friend lent me his PS2 for a week and it was the loudest piece of hardware in the appartment .. I.e. (IMNSHO) unusable as a movie player.

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