Good points you have there, but I mean as time goes by, and computers get better/faster in every aspect, more and more games (I'm not talking about the high end stuff, needing every last bit) will be written in Java? I just mean that, Say my stupid little app needs 1Megs of ram, and I really don't like the VM eating as much as it does. But Let's assume I have 1024 times more memory as I have now, I suddenly don't even notice the VM part of the usage. And at the same time I can enjoy all the benefits Java brings me.
This of course if the VM's size doesn't grow in the same rate, which i doubt.
And please remember, I don't like java, I write pure C myself.
Now I'm no fan of Java, and I totally agree with the fact that small devices with limited hardware capabilities should not be using Java, It's a total waste. And Java will never compete in speed with C/C++, Sure won't, but C++ doesn't compete in speed with C, and C won't compete in speed with assembly, but as computers get faster, the difference becomes marginal. If you wan't the most out of it, it has to be done in assembly, but that alone doesn't mean that doing it in assembly will automatically make it fast, because skillfull Java programmer by no means is a skillfull assembly programmer. And you really have to do a lot of "unnecessary" things in assembly, but that control gives you speed, but also much more error prone.
That said, I don't think assembly should be used to other than where it's absolutely necessary, and for Java. I think the main threat is the fact of having a company behind a language. I mean, do we really want to have Sun be the judge of what platform will get a good virtual machine and what platform won't. I know there are "self made" virtual machines, but AFAIK Sun is trying to make a buck here, so they probably don't want to be compatible with them...
I'f Java lives on, and computers get faster, more and more games will be made in Java. The positive thing here is that, when we see some of todays titles being ported, and running well on Java. Think about the machines running it, think of what can be run with native code that day.
"As if that wasn't bad enough, it looks like this works for music and software disks too!"
Bad you say? The only bad thing I can think of is that they would cost too much. If that is the case, you either have too little money, or they aren't worth it. Either way, nothing bad about the actual concept.
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How big is big?
Well, if its bigger than 4294967296, then it's big.
All four Monkey Island games have affected me a whole lot. I can't believe I'm the first to mention them, They are perfect in every way, and the way you get in the world that they bring you, no other game has ever even come close! In fact, a fifth Monkey Island game would be the only reason for me to install windows again.
I just love the coding, I don't do it for anything else, except pure love. If someone else wants to make money from what i write, let them. I just want to code. If someone else wants to modify my writings, let them. As long as I'm able to code, no-one can take away the fun from me. If someone wants to write closed source software, let them. It's just fun to write, if I can in any way help some-one else, while I'm having fun, why not.
It's just plain and simple fun, let's keep it that way.
I just love the coding, I don't do it for anything else, except pure love. If someone else wants to make money from what i write, let them. I just want to code. If someone else wants to modify my writings, let them. As long as I'm able to code, no-one can take away the fun from me. If someone wants to write closed source software, let them.
It's just fun to write, if I can in any way help some-one else, while I'm having fun, why not.
It's just plain and simple fun, let's keep it that way
great piece of hardware. really? I am aware of the fact that they don't profit selling the xboxes, but they would make even less profit if people wouldn't buy them at all. Or would you use windows if you knew microsoft wasn't getting any money for it?
It seems as if mictosoft made a good move with the xbox. It seems to attract a great deal of the people that don't want to use windows. But for some reason a restricted computer by microsoft sounds good to the same people here. What's the catch here, could someone tell me?
I just don't get why people buy x-boxes in the first place. It's not like it hurts microsoft THAT much if you use it as an anchor instead of a gaming console. You still Bought it, you actually gave microsoft money.
I mean you could spend your money on something else. I'm not telling you, you shouldn't buy anything from microsoft. Well that's actually what I think. But I still don't do it. But What's the point in complaining about restricted hardware, when you know that the company is very restricted taht made it.
What's the fun part in running anything on an x-box? Have you forgotten that it's made by microsoft? It's like saying that it's cool to run programs in windows, which it obviously isn't. Stop the madness!
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Maybe you will learn to enjoy Linux when you turn 15
what, you actually read the article?
Does it run linux?
Men didn't exist in the beginning of time.
Does it run linux?
will it be able to run linux?
It's just a name.
Good points you have there, but I mean as time goes by, and computers get better/faster in every aspect, more and more games (I'm not talking about the high end stuff, needing every last bit) will be written in Java? I just mean that, Say my stupid little app needs 1Megs of ram, and I really don't like the VM eating as much as it does. But Let's assume I have 1024 times more memory as I have now, I suddenly don't even notice the VM part of the usage. And at the same time I can enjoy all the benefits Java brings me. This of course if the VM's size doesn't grow in the same rate, which i doubt.
And please remember, I don't like java, I write pure C myself.
Now I'm no fan of Java, and I totally agree with the fact that small devices with limited hardware capabilities should not be using Java, It's a total waste. And Java will never compete in speed with C/C++, Sure won't, but C++ doesn't compete in speed with C, and C won't compete in speed with assembly, but as computers get faster, the difference becomes marginal. If you wan't the most out of it, it has to be done in assembly, but that alone doesn't mean that doing it in assembly will automatically make it fast, because skillfull Java programmer by no means is a skillfull assembly programmer. And you really have to do a lot of "unnecessary" things in assembly, but that control gives you speed, but also much more error prone. That said, I don't think assembly should be used to other than where it's absolutely necessary, and for Java. I think the main threat is the fact of having a company behind a language. I mean, do we really want to have Sun be the judge of what platform will get a good virtual machine and what platform won't. I know there are "self made" virtual machines, but AFAIK Sun is trying to make a buck here, so they probably don't want to be compatible with them... I'f Java lives on, and computers get faster, more and more games will be made in Java. The positive thing here is that, when we see some of todays titles being ported, and running well on Java. Think about the machines running it, think of what can be run with native code that day.
"As if that wasn't bad enough, it looks like this works for music and software disks too!" Bad you say? The only bad thing I can think of is that they would cost too much. If that is the case, you either have too little money, or they aren't worth it. Either way, nothing bad about the actual concept. ---- How big is big? Well, if its bigger than 4294967296, then it's big.
All four Monkey Island games have affected me a whole lot. I can't believe I'm the first to mention them, They are perfect in every way, and the way you get in the world that they bring you, no other game has ever even come close! In fact, a fifth Monkey Island game would be the only reason for me to install windows again.
I just love the coding, I don't do it for anything else, except pure love. If someone else wants to make money from what i write, let them. I just want to code. If someone else wants to modify my writings, let them. As long as I'm able to code, no-one can take away the fun from me. If someone wants to write closed source software, let them. It's just fun to write, if I can in any way help some-one else, while I'm having fun, why not. It's just plain and simple fun, let's keep it that way.
I just love the coding, I don't do it for anything else, except pure love. If someone else wants to make money from what i write, let them. I just want to code. If someone else wants to modify my writings, let them. As long as I'm able to code, no-one can take away the fun from me. If someone wants to write closed source software, let them. It's just fun to write, if I can in any way help some-one else, while I'm having fun, why not. It's just plain and simple fun, let's keep it that way
great piece of hardware. really? I am aware of the fact that they don't profit selling the xboxes, but they would make even less profit if people wouldn't buy them at all. Or would you use windows if you knew microsoft wasn't getting any money for it?
It seems as if mictosoft made a good move with the xbox. It seems to attract a great deal of the people that don't want to use windows. But for some reason a restricted computer by microsoft sounds good to the same people here. What's the catch here, could someone tell me?
I just don't get why people buy x-boxes in the first place. It's not like it hurts microsoft THAT much if you use it as an anchor instead of a gaming console. You still Bought it, you actually gave microsoft money. I mean you could spend your money on something else. I'm not telling you, you shouldn't buy anything from microsoft. Well that's actually what I think. But I still don't do it. But What's the point in complaining about restricted hardware, when you know that the company is very restricted taht made it.
What's the fun part in running anything on an x-box? Have you forgotten that it's made by microsoft? It's like saying that it's cool to run programs in windows, which it obviously isn't. Stop the madness!