Locutus Preview Released

simpler solution for trading research by macshune · 2003-02-09 19:17 · Score: 4, Insightful

it's called e-mail with PGP.

Locutus by trotski · 2003-02-09 19:18 · Score: 3, Funny

This is Locutus of P2P You will be assimilated, resistance is futile!

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who would pay for this? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-09 19:19 · Score: 5, Insightful

Seriously, why would anyone buy another application when they already have http and ftp sites, e-mail, etc? Most "research" isn't widely in demand enough to warrant the distribution model of p2p.

Re:who would pay for this? by interiot · 2003-02-09 21:19 · Score: 3, Interesting

At our site, we specifically have a separate system set up for spreading large files to our sites around the world. It only holds files for three days to emphasize its use as a transport agent and keep disk space down. If a department constantly uses a lot of disk space, sure, they should spend the money to get a proper ftp site. But if you send files only sporadically, and sometimes very large files, this can be good.
Also, it'd be nice to cut down on internet charges by using a local copy of the nightly builds if they're available, so something self-organizing like this would be nice.

Good plan by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-09 19:22 · Score: 5, Funny

That's the way to guarantee real-world corporate interest, all right - name it after a lame geeky Star Trek reference.

And not even old series Star Trek that some of the upper management might at least feel nostalgia for.

Re:Good plan by edhall · 2003-02-09 21:29 · Score: 4, Informative

It's Latin for "speak." Look up the English word "locution" (since I doubt most folks on this list have a Latin dictionary) and see.

-Ed

Microsoft.. by anubi · 2003-02-09 19:26 · Score: 5, Interesting

I think this is one of the things that peeve me so much about their "improvements"... from the Locutus site mentioned...

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

Damm!

Locutus does look nifty though in that the files can be shared encrypted.. I take it that one must pass muster to even look at the filenames though.. otherwise what difference is it from sharing files already encrypted with pgp or similar...

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Re:Microsoft.. by Forgotten · 2003-02-09 19:28 · Score: 4, Funny

Well, that explains the name.
Re:Microsoft.. by MisterFancypants · 2003-02-09 19:57 · Score: 5, Insightful

Here we are, facing a world where bandwidth is at a premium, and viral infections are running rampant, and we code some application that takes 20 MEGAbytes of loader to transfer a 400K File? C'mon! Is there any common sense left in programming any more?
Just like the ~20 megabytes you need if you download a Java application. Its called a runtime environment. It consists of the virtual machine that runs .NET code, plus all the APIs/libraries that go along with such. It is a one time download and then you can run any .NET application. Future versions of Windows will have the .NET framework pre-installed.
All in all you're making a whole lot of noise for nothing. This is absolutely no different than the "bloat" one has to endure to download Perl if one wants to run Perl scripts, Python for Python scripts, or the Java Runtime Environment for Java programs. As with all of those situations it either a one time download, or no worries at all if it is preinstalled in the OS (which will be the case for .NET moving forward). The only difference is this is Microsoft, so you're quick to bash them because you're an ignorant asshole.
Re:Microsoft.. by Jugalator · 2003-02-09 22:51 · Score: 4, Funny

Actually, the Borg could have a far worse destiny than being controlled by Bill Gates. Read on... :-)

The Microsoft Borg

(Picard) "Mr. LaForge, have you had any success with your attempts at finding a weakness in the Borg? And Mr. Data, have you been able to access their command pathways?"

(Geordi)"Yes, Captain. In fact, we found the answer by searching through our archives on late Twentieth-century computing technology." (Geordi presses a key, and a logo appears on the computer screen.)

(Riker looks puzzled.) "What the hell is 'Microsoft'?" (Data turns to answer.) "Allow me to explain. We will send this program, for some reason called 'Windows', through the Borg command pathways. Once inside their root command unit,it will begin consuming system resources at an unstoppable rate."

(Picard) "But the Borg have the ability to adapt. Won't they alter their processing systems to increase their storage capacity?"

(Data) "Yes, Captain. But when 'Windows' detects this, it creates a new version of itself known as an 'upgrade'. The use of resources increases exponentially with each iteration. The Borg will not be able to adapt quickly enough. Eventually all of their processing ability will be taken over and none will be available for their normal operational functions."

(Picard) "Excellent work. This is even better than that 'unsolvable geometric shape' idea." .. . . 15 Minutes Later . . .

(Data) "Captain, We have successfully installed the 'Windows' in the command unit and as expected it immediately consumed 85% of all resources. We however have not received any confirmation of the expected 'upgrade'."

(Geordi) "Our scanners have picked up an increase in Borg storage and CPU capacity to compensate, but we still have no indication of an 'upgrade' to compensate for their increase."

(Picard) "Data, scan the history banks again and determine if there is something we have missed."

(Data) "Sir, I believe there is a reason for the failure in the 'upgrade'. Apparently the Borg have circumvented that part of the plan by not sending in their registration cards.

(Riker) "Captain we have no choice. Requesting permission to begin emergency escape sequence 3F . . ."

(Geordi, excited) "Wait, Captain I just detected their CPU capacity has suddenly dropped to 0% !"

(Picard) "Data, what do your scanners show?"

(Data) "Apparently the Borg have found the internal 'Windows' module named 'Solitaire' and it has used up all the CPU capacity."

(Picard) "Let's wait and see how long this 'solitaire' can reduce their functionality." .. . . Two Hours Pass . . .

(Riker) "Geordi, what's the status of the Borg?"

(Geordi) "As expected the Borg are attempting to re-engineer to compensate for increased CPU and storage demands, but each time they successfully increase resources I have set up our closest deep space monitor beacon to transmit more 'Windows' modules from something called the 'Microsoft fun-pack'.

(Picard) "How much time will that buy us?"

(Data) "Current Borg solution rates allow me to predict an interest time span of 6 more hours."

(Geordi) "Captain, another vessel has entered our sector."

(Picard) "Identify."

(Data) "It appears to have markings very similar to the 'Microsoft' logo."

(Over the speakers) "THIS IS ADMIRAL BILL GATES OF THE MICROSOFT FLAGSHIP 'MONOPOLY'. WE HAVE POSITIVE CONFIRMATION OF UNREGISTERED SOFTWARE IN THIS SECTOR. SURREDER ALL ASSETS AND WE CAN AVOID ANY TROUBLE. YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS."

(Data) "The alien ship has just opened its forward hatches and released thousands of humanoid shaped objects."

(Picard) "Magnify forward viewer on the alien craft."

(Riker) "Good God, Captain! Those are humans floating straight toward the Borg ship with no life support suits! How can they survive the tortures of deep space?!"

(Data) "I don't believe that those are humans,sir. If you will look closer I believe you will see that they are carrying something recognized by Twenty-first Century man as doe skin leather briefcases, and they are wearing Armani suits."

(Riker and Picard together, horrified) "Lawyers!!"

(Geordi) "It can't be. All the Lawyers were rounded up and sent hurtling into the sun in 2017 during the Great Awakening."

(Data) "True, but apparently some must have survived."

(Riker) "They have surrounded the Borg ship and are covering it with all types of papers."

(Data) "I believe that is known in ancient vernacular as 'red tape'. It often proves fatal."

(Riker) "They're tearing the Borg to pieces!"

(Picard) "Turn off the monitors. I can't stand to watch, not even the Borg deserve that.

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If it's on slashdot... by Velocity4 · 2003-02-09 19:26 · Score: 4, Funny

Hey, If it's on slashdot, think how many geeks will be using it. And what do geeks have? Yes, they have it all. Warez, Mp3s, and.. yes, that too.

I'm checking it out. Are you?

+No spyware, woohoo! I would like it if it could hack into the kazaa network thought.

Locutus Preview? by dupper · 2003-02-09 19:27 · Score: 4, Funny

Q Who?

(Score:-1, Trekkie/Obscure)

What's wrong with other tools? by oingoboingo · 2003-02-09 19:28 · Score: 5, Interesting

Locutus Enterprise is the pay version that Clarke hopes to lure corporations to shell out money for (for secure trading of research and other documents).

Maybe I'm missing a point somewhere here...what's wrong with centralised file/document servers, or groupware like Notes, GroupWise or Exchange for sharing documents and research within a company? Why P2P? Will we look back at these stories in a couple of years and think the same way about them as we now do with stories about 'Java applications storming the desktop', 'Push applications redefining the way we work on the net', or 'Debian releases new version before 2025'?

Re:What's wrong with other tools? by Sanity · 2003-02-09 20:46 · Score: 3, Interesting

what's wrong with centralised file/document servers?
How much of the average knowledge worker's output gets uploaded to centralized file servers or websites? Over 80% of a corporation's data still resides on their employee's desktop computers - and as was demonstrated by Napster, P2P is very good indeed when it comes to searching desktop PCs.
Will we look back at these stories in a couple of years and think the same way about them as we now do with stories about...
...or 'Web to revolutionize the way we look for information' - hmmmm, perhaps some buzzwords do live up to the hype.

Another 20MB. by $$$$$exyGal · 2003-02-09 19:29 · Score: 4, Funny

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

For some reason, that paragraph really cracked me up...

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Re:Another 20MB. by gutier · 2003-02-09 19:47 · Score: 5, Informative

I for one am extremely happy with the .NET framework. It is a comprehensive box of functionality that all .NET applications can make use of. Many useful applications I've written in .NET have been under 200K in size. Comparable programs I've written in Linux are all over 200K in size. This is after having to deal with the incredible mash of libraries that simply don't work well together. Why? Well, how about the amazing number of reimplementations of method pointers, having to deal with C++ libraries and C libraries and woes arising thereof, exceptions in some libraries and return codes in others, all different kinds of naming conventions and the bazillion mappings of this over that.

I've found that programming in .NET is actually a lot like programming in Python (a nice language and a clean, integrated box of functionality, and NOT like Perl/CPAN with for all the same Linux-related reasons again ... ). Given .NET's intended domain (which is Windows software running on Windows), it is very well done.

Let's give up the religious dogma, emotional outbursts and reactivity, and evaluate it objectively. Objective evaluation of a complete situation is what they really tried to teach you in college.
Re:Another 20MB. by Forgotten · 2003-02-09 20:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

Well, there's always another level to a complete appraisal. Many people object to .Net because promulgating it furthers goals of Microsoft's which they object to. That's a perfectly reasonably objection, and by that yardstick your observation that it works well for some purposes is largely irrelevant.
Don't assume that mere dogma underlies every opinion opposed to yours.

Locutus Enterprise by Xpilot · 2003-02-09 19:34 · Score: 4, Funny

Didn't Locutus try to destroy Enterprise? And Enterprise tried to destroy Locutus too. Hrmmm... Sleep Data, sleep...

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FAQ by Mdog · 2003-02-09 19:38 · Score: 3, Informative

(Site slashdotted)

1 General
1.1 What is Locutus?
Locutus is a .Net application that will allow you to search for files on your hard disk and on other people's shared folders on your LAN, and on the Internet as a whole.
1.2 Why is Locutus a 20MB download?
In fact, Locutus itself is only about 400k in size, however it relies on Microsoft's .NET framework. Not everyone has a version of Windows which includes .NET, and so if you try to download Locutus and don't have .NET you will automatically download a version of the installer which includes it. The next time you upgrade Locutus, or any other .NET software, you will find that the download is much smaller. You can find out whether you have .NET by visiting the Downloads page.
1.25 Why is slashdot so fucking retarded?
It's because people aren't aware that the editors are facist morons. Read ths signature for this post and find out more.
1.3 I've installed it - now what?
When you run Locutus, you should see a discrete search box at the bottom right of your screen. You can enter search terms into this box, and Locutus will search your computer, along with the shared directories of other Locutus users on your LAN. The more of your co-workers that use Locutus, the more useful it will be, so email them now and direct them to http://locut.us/!
1.4 What is the difference between Locutus and other P2P applications?
There are a number of important differences:

* Detailed file analysis
Most P2P applications just search on the basis of a filename or superficial data about the files being searched. Locutus will scan documents in their entirity, extracting significant keywords - using technology similar to that used by web search engines.
* Scalable and efficient search algorithm
Locutus employs a sophisticated decentralized search algorithm which can rapidly search tens or hundreds of thousands of computers in a very short space of time, and without any reliance on inefficient "broadcast" searches, or fragile "ultrapeers". This effeciency dramatically reduces Locutus' bandwidth requirements relative to more conventional P2P applications.
* Strong security model
With most P2P apps, you are either sharing a file or you are not - and often you can accidentally end up sharing files that you didn't intend to share. Locutus allows finer control over who can search which folders on your computer, and in the upcoming Enterprise release, will enforce this security using military-grade encryption.

1.5 What is the difference between Locutus and a web Search Engine?
Web search engines only search information publicly available on the Internet, and they do so in a totally centralized manner. Locutus can search the hard-disks of desktop PCs (within constraints defined by the PC's user) in a completely decentralized manner. Locutus doesn't require that a server be set up - you just download, install, and you can start using it immediately!
2 Using Locutus
2.1 Does Locutus allow others to see my private files?
No! Locutus will only allow others to search for files in shared directories on your computer, or files that you have deliberately placed in the Locutus shared folder on your desktop.
2.2 Will Locutus slow down my computer?
While the built-in Windows indexing service is well-known for slowing down the user's computer, Locutus is much more careful about its resource usage. Initially Locutus does need to create an index of your hard-disk, however once this is done, Locutus is careful only to reindex files when necessary (ie. when they change, or when a new file is created). In practice, Locutus doesn't have any negative effect on system performance once the initial indexing is complete - you won't even know its there.
3 Microsoft's .Net
3.1 What is .Net and why does Locutus need it? .Net is, at its core, an attempt to standardize the way that software applications communicate with the underlying Operating System. .Net was developed by Microsoft, and at the time of writing is only available for Windows, however .Net has been embraced by some in the Linux community who are working on Open Source versions of .Net such as Mono. Once finished, these will allow Locutus to run on non-Microsoft operating systems.
3.2 I heard that .Net can compromise your privacy - is this true?
There was some controversy over a Microsoft product called "Passport" which Microsoft marketed under the .Net banner - however Passport is not required by Locutus, and is not included in the Locutus installer.

We value our privacy, and respect yours. We would never ask you to install anything that we wouldn't install on our own computers.
4 Business Model
4.1 Many P2P applications include Spyware - what about Locutus?
No, Locutus does not include any advertising, nor will it install any third-party advertising or data-collection software.
4.2 If not advertising, what is your business model?
We plan to give Locutus Prototype and Locutus Lite (available late January 2003) for free. Those who require enhanced security or other features will have the opportunity to purchase Locutus Enterprise when it is released in March 2003.
4.3 Who do I contact if I am interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC?
Cematics is a young and flexible company, and are always on the look-out for new collaboration opportunities. If you are interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC, please email our business development group at bizdev@locut.us.
4.4 Will Locutus be released as Open Source software?
While we are big fans of Open Source software, we do not feel that there is a viable business model for us that would allow us to release Locutus as Open Source. We will, however, be developing ways that third-party software developers can write software which integrates with Locutus.
Index

1 General
1.1 What is Locutus?
1.2 Why is Locutus a 20MB download?
1.3 I've installed it - now what?
1.4 What is the difference between Locutus and other P2P applications?
1.5 What is the difference between Locutus and a web Search Engine?

2 Using Locutus
2.1 Does Locutus allow others to see my private files?
2.2 Will Locutus slow down my computer?

3 Microsoft's .Net
3.1 What is .Net and why does Locutus need it?
3.2 I heard that .Net can compromise your privacy - is this true?

4 Business Model
4.1 Many P2P applications include Spyware - what about Locutus?
4.2 If not advertising, what is your business model?
4.3 Who do I contact if I am interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC?
4.4 Will Locutus be released as Open Source software?
Copyright © 2003 Cematics, LLC

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Trademark... by po8 · 2003-02-09 19:45 · Score: 4, Informative

I hope Ian has gotten permission to use the name Locutus, which is, no surprise, a trademark of Paramount. Info below.

(BTW, why does Slashdot not allow <pre> tags but allow text-only postings and the obvious <tt>...<br> thing? What a pain.)

Word Mark LOCUTUS Goods and Services IC 028. US 022. G & S: toys; namely, action figures and accessories therefor, poseable figures, dolls. FIRST USE: 19930600. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19930600 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 74462053 Filing Date November 12, 1993 Published for Opposition August 23, 1994 Registration Number 1862622 Registration Date November 15, 1994 Owner (REGISTRANT) PARAMOUNT PICTURES CORPORATION CORPORATION DELAWARE 5555 Melrose Avenue Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900383197 Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Re:Trademark... by MisterFancypants · 2003-02-09 20:00 · Score: 4, Informative

Goods and Services IC 028. US 022. G & S: toys; namely, action figures and accessories therefor, poseable figures, dolls.
I don't think this software qualifies as a toy, action figure, poseable figure or a doll. You do understand how trademarks work, don't you?
Re:Trademark... by ortholattice · 2003-02-09 22:09 · Score: 4, Interesting

With an obviously invented name like "Locutus"...
It is a Latin word. I believe "locutus" is the perfect participle of the Latin loqui ("to speak"), so it would mean "having spoken". So for the Star Trek character, it is suggests a spokesman for the Borg. For the "Locutus" software product, which I don't think is a "a toy, action figure, poseable figure or a doll," it might be suggestive of a source of information.

Is this a joke? by ThoreauHD · 2003-02-09 20:04 · Score: 3, Insightful

Running "secure" proprietary software on a windows box. Where have I heard that before. No man. Put the pipe down and walk away.

These people don't seem to learn.

Not the first p2p with encryption. by Anonymous Coward · 2003-02-09 20:07 · Score: 4, Informative

I think the first p2p client with an encryption feature was filetopia.

www.filetopia.com

23Meg memory footprint by tandr · 2003-02-09 20:12 · Score: 4, Interesting

... for application that supposed to be in background??? I read it as not only Java has memory footprint problems, but .NET based ones too. :(

.NET? Secure? by blumpy · 2003-02-09 20:18 · Score: 4, Funny

>Locutus differs from most other P2P networks on several levels, most prominently its focus on security....The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

Hmm... focus on security, yet uses .NET? I don't understand....

Oh My God! This is so cool... by MoThugz · 2003-02-09 20:34 · Score: 4, Funny

it's like shared folders on a windows network... but get this... it's *encrypted*!!! Therefore making it suitable for me to use in my Department of Homeland Security office... Cool huh?

Furthermore, it uses *encryption*... meaning it is illegal for export outside the great US of A... thus those bad terrorists can't get it... naaa... naaa... naaa... naaa... naaaaaaaa!

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Wrong by Sanity · 2003-02-09 20:38 · Score: 3, Insightful

Think about it - how much time do most information workers spend looking for information? Some estimate about two hours per day, and over 80% of information in the Enterprise is located on user's hard disks - not on web or ftp sites.

This is the market Locutus is going after.

Re:This is great! by anubi · 2003-02-09 21:12 · Score: 3, Interesting

Encrypted or not, they will just set traps.

They will bait you to their site, and when you go onto their site to retrieve some file they say they have and attempt to download it, they will log where their server is sending it to.

And a letter from their legal counsel will go out in the next day's mail.

Sorry to rain on parade..but I do not think encryption is going to do much to help mask P2P filesharing itself... but it will help a lot in the sense that if you snared some file from someone's P2P server but did not know how to unlock it, you just get a file of something you can not use at all - it may as well be digitized interstation FM hiss for all you know. Or it might be configured so that if you do not know the access codes, you won't be able to get the remote server to send the file.

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Re:Bah, it doesnt run on linux. by SealBeater · 2003-02-09 22:21 · Score: 4, Informative

From the FAQ:

3.2 I am a Linux/Mac user, is there is version of Locutus for me? .Net was developed by Microsoft, and at the time of writing is only available for Windows, however .Net has been embraced by some in the Linux community who are working on Open Source versions of .Net such as Mono. Once finished, these will allow Locutus to run on non-Microsoft operating systems (we are Linux geeks too - so we won't waste any time once Mono comes of age).

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copyright violation + encryption == 10 years ? by zcat_NZ · 2003-02-09 22:33 · Score: 3, Insightful

Joy oh joy..

Under the new "PATRIOT II" legislation, using encryption while comitting a crime will result in a prison sentence of 5 to 10 years. They don't mention if it has to be a 'serious' crime, so I guess copyright violation qualifies.

This could get interesting.

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Groove by rbeattie · 2003-02-09 22:51 · Score: 4, Informative

150+ posts and no one's mentioned Groove? Do you people live in a frigin' vacuum?

Groove is a company founded by Ray Ozzie, the creator of Lotus Notes. The Groove Workspace is a hyper-secure P2P application made for business and government use. It has several "tools" that you can use within the application like chat, file-sharing, calendaring, custom forms, etc. All communication between the P2P clients is encrypted as well as the files themselves. Once you import a file into Groove to be shared, it's encrypted automatically.

The general theory behind the application is that you can't rely on the wires to be secure, ever. So all the data and communication between peers is encrypted automatically without any user intervention needed.

The reason you should think this app is cool is because it's an easy way to set up super-secure filesharing between peers whether on a local network or across the internet. It's not open file sharing like Gnutella, but it's more like having a virtual secure file server just for you and the peers you invite into your workspace.

The reason you should hate this app is because not only is Groove in bed with Microsoft (M$ has invested millions and only runs on Windows) but this app is also being used by the new Office of Information Awareness, i.e. Big Brother.

-Russ

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