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New Antitrust Complaint Filed Against Microsoft

jimboid and others wrote in about a new antitrust complaint filed against Microsoft in the European Union, concerning Windows XP (all previous litigation has concerned earlier versions of Windows). The BBC and Sydney Morning Herald have articles about the complaint.

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  1. More interesting quote by the CCIA by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The forms of Microsoft's abusive conduct are often closely interrelated, and their market foreclosure effects in many instances reinforce each other. The effectiveness of Microsoft's anti-competitive behaviours in preserving Microsoft's existing desktop dominance and in leveraging that dominance into related markets can only truly be understood if these behaviours and their exclusionary impact are viewed as a whole, rather than examined in isolation from each other."

    Is it just me or do these guys appear to be the first legal agressors against Micorsoft to understand the real issue?

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    1. Re:More interesting quote by the CCIA by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The point about the EU investigation is that it is instructed to take an overall view. A investigation by an EU Commissioner is not like a DA considering whether to make charges - Mario Monti is judge, jury, and exicutioner. If he feels that fines are neccisary then he can levy them. And it is important to note that these are not pissant fines - they can be up to 10% of revenue made during the period over which they are held to be infining (also defined by the Commisioner).

      I know, I know, insert declaimation of dictatorship here. ;)

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    2. Re:More interesting quote by the CCIA by glamslam · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Is it just me or do these guys appear to be the first legal agressors against Micorsoft to understand the real issue?"

      Of course people here (in the US) will say its really just anti-American retaliation for the steel tariffs.

  2. The nice thing is... by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 5, Informative
    That Mario Monti has the power to examine all complaints made *as a whole* rather then being limited to only those made at the start of the process. This judicial effectiveness is why the EU will not always be stuck playing catch-up with MS, unlike the US. In addition, the political climate in Brussels is a lot less favorable for MS (think Reno rather then Ashcroft) and the EU has previously made several rulings agains MS Passport etc.

    Could be good. ;)

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  3. antitrust suits by odyrithm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long can this go on for? you cant keep pulling the same company for antitrust violations.. wasnt Microsoft supposed to be split up? what ever happened there? this is just going to carry on and on and on.. its getting pretty frustrating really.

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    1. Re:antitrust suits by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Imagine the fun if foreign courts enforced laws in distant lands.

      Such as having a Russian arrested for breaking, while in Russia, a US law?

      Or a Norwegian arrested for putatively breaking, while in Norway, a US law?

    2. Re:antitrust suits by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How long can this go on for?

      It can go on for a very long time. This is what happened to IBM. When they got huge and started pushing the markets around, governments were hitting them from all sides. Between the constant nit-picking and their own lethargy, they eventually lost their market share.

      It seems that history is repeating itself. MS is trying to get involved in everything under the sun [sic] and governments have their sights set on them. MS will eventually lose focus as it worries about revenue from the x-box, personal PC's, cell phones, internet ready refrigerators, and maybe even operating systems and software. At the same time, governments are looking for ways to reduce the power of this growing company.

    3. Re:antitrust suits by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From my really brief perusal of the article it looks like this is a new complaint about additional violations. That they are being merged into the same case, if they are, strikes me as a procedural issue. And if they continue to commit new crimes, isn't it proper that new charges be filed?

      I don't see any injustice here. Perhaps the potential for injustice, but the recent history of US courts doesn't make me feel that we are in any position to carp. Consider the Rico acts, where they sieze your property upon your being accused. This prevents you from being able to hire a lawyer. It is also acting on a presumption of guilt. And somehow much of the property never returns to the original owner, even if the charges are defeated. Sorry. The last time Europe had laws that corrupt (to my knowledge) was during the inquisition. We've even revived holding people without access to a lawyer or knowledge of the charges against them. Yes, it's blatantly unconstitutional, but that doesn't seem to be stopping them. So I don't see any room for complaint about Europe having a few procedural differences.

      P.S.: You think the US has evolved away from railroading? Only if you are politically powerful. Look over the court decisions of the last few decades. The direction is the other way.

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  4. Powers of Darkness by EEgopher · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft might actually lose when going up against Satan! Did you see the CCIA's address?

    666 11th St. NW
    Washington, DC 20001

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  5. Ah, this one has teeth! by AntiFreeze · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Quoth the BBC article:

    The CCIA counts Oracle, Sun Microsystems, Yahoo and Nokia among its members.

    The organisation said it had filed the new complaint in order to fight for customers.

    "Microsoft's overwhelming dominance and its abuse of that dominance reaches into every corner of Europe and harms virtually every business and consumer who uses a computer," the association said.

    This organization consists of companies who _know_ what they're talking about when it comes to computers and competition (and anti-competitive tactics, for that matter), and are taking up the fight from the _consumers'_ point of view. I think it is this twist which might lead to actual rulings which will stop Microsoft's hard-edged and illegal tactics.

    Remember, Microsoft has had _two_ separate antitrust ruling against it (i.e. has been found guilty not once, but twice), but neither has had the bite to make any noticable differences in the way Microsoft has acted. Both suits really focused upon MS's anti-competitive methods, and not enough focus on what MS was doing to the consumers. This angle might just be what is needed.

    Of course, since this is an EU case, who knows how a ruling with teeth might affect Microsoft - it would certainly affect them overseas, but here in America a difference might not be noticable.

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  6. Not Sure I agree..." judicial effectiveness " by N8F8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd sure hate to be the defendant in a case where the prosecutor or legislature could trump up or morph the charges whenever they want. The solution otthe US's problem is forcing a faster process (as is now being done in some federal criminal courts), not making it unreasonable to defend yourself.

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  7. Key Facts, Acrobat Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    CCIA COMPLAINT AGAINST MICROSOFT
    KEY FACTS

    When: CCIA's complaint was formally filed with the European Commission Directorate General
    for Competition on 31 January 2003.

    Background: The Windows desktop operating system is installed on over 93% of personal
    computers in Europe and worldwide. Microsoft has held a dominant position on this market
    position for the past decade. Microsoft also has a monopoly in the market for personal productivity
    applications (word processors, spread sheets, etc) and the market for Internet browsing software.

    Microsoft's behaviour in the market has been the subject of ongoing competition scrutiny since
    1991. Its behaviour has resulted in both an "undertaking" with the European Commission in 1994
    and a unanimous liability finding by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in 2001.

    Microsoft has systematically and deliberately engaged in illegal practices designed both to protect its Windows monopoly and leverage it into adjacent software markets. Microsoft has used its market power to eliminate competition and stifle innovation in market after market. Unprecedented in modern commerce, Microsoft's monopolies generate margins in excess of 80 percent and profits in excess of US$1 billion per month.

    Microsoft's well-documented anticompetitive campaign against Netscape's Navigator web browser
    and Sun's Java programming language has resulted in a new monopoly in Internet browsing
    software, and sets the stage for the current CCIA complaint.

    Focus of the Complaint: The latest version of Windows XP takes Microsoft's abusive practices to
    a new level, illegally protecting Microsoft's existing monopolies and is illegally eliminating
    competition in new software and service markets. This complaint seeks the intervention of the
    European Commission to put an end to the multiple forms of abuse inherent in Windows XP.

    The 260-page complaint comprises an exhaustive factual and legal basis for Commission action,
    documenting multiple ways in which Windows XP violates Article 82 of the EC Treaty prohibiting
    abuse of a dominant position. These abuses include:

    Explorer, Outlook Express, Windows Media Player, Windows Messenger, and Windows Movie
    Maker 2;
    Biasing the user interface and operation of Windows XP to significantly advantage Microsoft's
    own software and services over competitive offerings;
    Refusing to fully disclose the document formats for the programs in Microsoft's Office suite of
    applications, in order to reinforce the "applications barrier to entry;"
    Imposing proprietary technologies, formats and protocols in Microsoft's dominant products with
    the effect of excluding competition on the merits;
    Imposing abusive licensing and other exclusionary practices vis-à-vis personal computer makers
    to foreclose the most important distribution channel from competing products;
    Leveraging dominant positions to distort competition in markets for e-mail and collaboration
    server software;
    Leveraging existing dominant positions to the markets for handheld computing devices and
    smart phone software through bundling, failure to supply interface information, and the use of
    proprietary formats and protocols.

    Legal basis of complaint: The facts alleged in the CCIA complaint rest squarely within Article 82 of
    the EC Treaty.

    Article 82 imposes on dominant market players a special responsibility not to allow their
    conduct to impair genuine undistorted competition on the common market, and prohibits such
    firms from limiting markets, production or technical development to the detriment of consumers.
    Microsoft uses methods other than those falling within the scope of competition on the merits to
    eliminate competitors and thereby strengthen its multiple positions of superdominance. For
    example, Microsoft's bundling in Windows XP squarely falls within Article 82's prohibition on
    tying, foreclosing competition for the bundled Microsoft products, and leveraging Microsoft's
    market power into new markets. The Court of First Instance of the European Union recently
    reaffirmed the illegality of such behaviour in its Tetra Laval decision.

    Impact on Consumers: Microsoft's anticompetitive conduct with Windows XP directly impacts
    consumers in multiple ways.

    Fewer choices of software products and very limited differentiation among personal computer
    offerings;
    Less innovation in the critical software markets which Microsoft dominates;
    Higher prices for Microsoft's software products than would otherwise occur in a competitive
    market;
    Rampant security breaches in Microsoft's core products resulting from the lack of market forces
    to develop secure software;
    Less privacy associated with the manner in which Microsoft biases its consumer services in
    Windows XP.

    Intersection with Current Case: This is a separate complaint. Actions taken by the Commission
    pursuant to its existing Statement of Objections cannot address the unlawful conduct inherent in
    Windows XP, which include new abuses intended to extend its existing desktop monopolies.

  8. Extraordinary array (6) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft bundles an extraordinary array of products with Windows XP.
    They include:
    - Internet Explorer (browser);
    - MSN Explorer (browser);
    - Windows Media Player (media player);
    - Windows Messenger (instant messaging client);
    - Outlook Express (e-mail client); and
    - Windows Movie Maker (video editor).

    Wouldn't most people these days consider these things fairly standard applications that should come with an OS.
    I know I would hate to have to pay for an OS, and then buy a browser, media player, email client, video editor, messenger. And I guess also paint, notepad, calculator, etc.

    If they aren't, then why do most linux distros have all those things included in the standard desktop install...

  9. Re:Worldwide or local outcomes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I always assumed a lawsuit against them in the US would be world-wide...

    Only an American would think this way.

  10. Re:Why not just leave them alone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would say that at least 70% of the people viewing this site are on a windows OS

    Yea! I'm in the 30% minority!!

    It's a simple fact folks, we owe a lot to Microsoft... ...about $20 billion according to their piracy figures. Alright everybody, PAY UP. I know you just lost your job and the kids need new shoes, but that $499 copy of Office you 'borrowed' from Frank next door is going to haunt your conscious untill you settle. Nevermind that you HAVE to send out .DOC format resume's to find a job anymore. You owe it to them buster.