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Mozilla, Gecko, Netscape, And Their Future At AOL
bluephone writes "I've been lucky enough to receive some interesting information from within the Netscape/AOLTW firewall, although in light of AOL's recent massive losses, poor outlook, and high profile execs resigning their positions, I'm not sure if these battle plans are still intact. As it stands, Netscape 7.x has one major release left for the forseeable future, but Gecko will soon overshadow everything, becoming the core platform for all of AOL's Internet content distribution. For all the details and much more, read it here."
It will finally force web authors to support standards not monopolies.
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Every now & again we get another "leaked" memo/whatever from AOL hinting that they're going to drop IE.
And every time, AOL are just about to go into negotiation with Microsoft & want a bargaining chip to reduce licensing costs.
Every time I see an AOL commercial on TV, I think "man, their advertising department needs to be shot."
If I wasn't so entrenched in my current e-mail, I'd consdier getting AOL on top of my RoadRunner account. For the same price as RR, I'd get a whole slew of content et al that isn't out on the web at large.
I remember how AOL used to be, back in the days before my parents bailed and got a local ISP. It was fast, volomious, and the "custom AOL" bits were far slicker than anything i've seen before or since.
Forget about the ISP bit--let the market have that crowd. AOL should go after folks who have an internet connection, by promoting what they can do that the rest of the 'net can't.
If their only pitch is that they're easy to use, then they're going to get taken off just like any other set of training wheels.
On an unrelated note, Wonder why Phoenix developement seems to have slowed down. Their 0.5 release was two mohts ago.
The real question is: does AOL have a future?
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
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AOL is getting everything it deserves. Let's hope this sealed off network dies a death.
I used to be semi-pro AOL. I knew most Internet geeks didn't like their service, but I recommended them to newbies, since they do have a good 'get running quickly' service that's easy to understand. No more. My clients complain they receive TONS of spam now, despite AOL's OTT screening and banning.
I'm lost here. Granted, I think AOL sucks. I wouldn't use it. But no one (including anyone in Soviet Russia) is forced to use it. Yet, millions do (not as many as last month, but still millions). My mother uses it, and frankly, I set her up with it so she wouldn't bug me to death asking questions.
It's called "free market". AOL adds value to many people. To me and you, no, its not worth the price, but it obviously is to alot of people.
A "sealed off network", as you call it, is just the same internet (albeit at crappys speeds) and lots of unique content. I am not convinced that is a bad thing.
You talk about them banning email servers for spam, then bitch that they get tons of spam. You can't have it both ways. I can no longer send email from my own servers on a SDSL line, because a "free open list" that is commonly used, lists all SDSL ip ranges. My servers never sent more than 10 emails a day. Oh, and AOL accepts mail from my servers.
You seem to have a lot of anger toward them, but your logic doesn't make sense. It seems to just be a rant against "closed systems".
As to being "semi-pro AOL", I have no freaking idea what the hell that is. Is that like "an experienced newbie"?
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YOU do... and that's great. Actually a very valid point you have. The problem is will little tiny companies such as, oh, CITIBANK that have a "few" customers! What is a shame is the fact that they have to use IE to bank. I've tried Citibank for Business online, and Safari fails. KDE fails. Mozilla works, but only with the prefs bar plugin to change the id string to IE on WinXP. Otherwise Citibank fails. The problem is not the sites you design, but the corporate sites that millions of people would like to use to shop, bank, etc to make their lives a little easier. And needing IE to use these sites makes life easier, but a lot less secure.
I've had e-mail exchanged with Citibank on this topic, and they only test for IE and, to quote, "most of the time Netscape too". MOST OF THE TIME? Great.
If 32,000,000+ people are using Gecho engine (assuming AOL makes the switch), this will be great because it could very well force companies to do what you do! USe their frontpage but with the propper settings so HTML is clean and pure and written as per the standards. This can only be DoublePlusGood(TM) for IE, Netscape, Gecho, Moz, KDE, Safari et. al.
I am gaining more respect for AOL, first they are mum about the RIAA's plan to make your base (and identity) belong to them. And now this. I would never subscribe to them, but they rate above the RIAA and MS in my eyes
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I have used AOL quite a bit (3 of my 4 computers bought at different times came with free 6 months of AOL each).
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With most AOL versions, I noticed that AOL browser was really using IE behind the scenes(albeit few extra bugs and inferior performance).
They didn't even put Netscape on their own product!! I hope that browser wars continue and Mozilla/Gecko/Konquerer/Opera etc become better...
AOL is fading out because it was based on premise that most users are dumb/untrained enough to figure out the web themselves. But as users are catching on, they are noticing that they can get better value for money with broadband... AOL just didn't adapt well assuming that there will always be plethora of people who want the simplicity and will pay $23.90 per month for that.
Also, check out this hilarious MP3 - http://www.trashtalkerdoll.com/sounds/indian_5.mp
AOL's competitors are essentially utility companies. There's no way to create a value added service for my electrical supply, and connectivity is getting to be the same way. AOL is coming from a time when you didn't just buy the electricity, but the service included all your electrical appliances as well.
no thats never been done before....
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or has it?
--meh--
There was a time in the not too-distant past when this might have mattered. "AOL's adoption of Netscape and Gecko will force websites to comply ... blah, blah, blah." But it's hard for me to believe now, that in their weakened state, AOL carries more than a faint wisp of the influence they might have wielded. How many balls can you drop before the audience yawns and goes home?
Wouldn't web design be so much easier if everyone just used Word? Forms, macros, print preview.
This is what I tell people who design only for IE.
Who cares about standards? Obviously idiots don't.
No offence to the author of the article, but is there any basis to it besides I've been lucky enough to receive some interesting information from within the Netscape/AOLTW firewall?
It may be true -- don't know -- but I need a reason to believe it's not merely rumor. How do we know your source is reliable or well-informed?
It's worked with Mozilla as long as I can remember.
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