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jlowery writes "Robert X. Cringely seems to
think so. Forget the hardware side: what does this mean to the future of Java? Will there be enough incentive to continue to develop the language for whoever acquires Sun? Or will Java developers have to swallow hard and submit to the whims of the dark overlord? Maybe I'll switch to Mac development, after all."
.Net, especially VS.Net w/ C#, is the most productive Web development / OOP tool on the planet. Period.
You know the figures, 7x faster than J2EE with 1/4th the code. It's true, I've developed in both and will attest to it.
From the kesrith-shonjir-kutath dept.
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Robert X. Cringely seems to think so. Forget the hardware side: what does this mean to the future of Java? Will there be enough incentive to continue to develop the language for whoever acquires Sun? Or will Java developers have to swallow hard and submit to the whims of the dark overlord? Maybe I'll switch to Mac development, after all.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Is it just me, or is this entire submission one big set of sentence fragments? Cringely thinks so about what? What does what mean to the future of Java??
Yes, reading the story associated with the submission is always a good thing, but do you think you could maybe give us some hint as to what it's about?
I am cringley.
.NET are equal, whereas Microsoft hath mimicked/infringed on Java's intelect and hither is forcing .NET to overcome Java with endless financial resources to market Java all-the-while introducing inferior gaming console products while losing profit and sustaining the loss-of-profit using monopoly-tactics and resources from its other footholds in the software industry.
I commit libel against companies that create great products: Java, Solaris, UltraSparc III super-workstations.
I, cringley, do not admit to wrong-doing and I do not follow-up on my libelous comments when I become sentient and recognize them as being libelous.
I, cringley, do not understand that Java and
I, cringley, hath spoken and I am known as a SlashdotTroll and the slashdot editors lather my words with spit and penetrate the slashdot forums with my nonsensible computer-savy words that have no place in scientific computing other than woo the people at wired.com and zdnet.com. However, I know the viewers of slashdot.org are not idiots and so I will make them submit to my idiocy by incessantly influencing employees of slashdot to post my fud; the employees of slashdot/or shall I say the OSDN employees that maintain slashdot, are readers of wired.com, zdnet.com, and especially theonion.com and thus are possessed by my intelect.
Slashdot is on its way to destruction...
I hath made my time...
Ha ha ha...
No Java, no JSP man. Simply use PHP for web development.
Forget Java man and go to PHP!
PHP is 4 times faster than Java technology 'JSP' (Java server pages).
This tallies because compiled "C" program is 4 times faster than Java.
Moreover, PHP is getting the object oriented features of Java language.
The real usefulness of Java is 'Java applets' which run on client browsers but on the server side you simply use PHP.
PHP is a very lightening fast object oriented scripting language. PHP is 100% written in "C" and there is no virtual machine as in Java. Nothing can beat "C" language ("C" is a language which never dies!!)
(Java is just another language. The PHP project needs millions of Java programmers who can add the Java's language features like inner classes, static, private, protected and others to PHP. PHP already has some of java' features).
Java programmers will really "LOVE" PHP as PHP class is identical to Java's class keyword.
Read the benchmars of Java JSP and PHP. PHP tops in the speed!!
Read the doc here and mirrors at [1], [2], [3], [4].
If a customer wants the Fujitsu Sparc V, they can just buy a Fujitsu PrimePower NOW. We've got a server room full of junk Suns containing USII 400 Mhzs (with the nice crashing flaw that Sun support blames on Cosmic Rays), so we've happily starting buying PrimePowers instead. Fast as hell (1.35 Ghz SPARC V!), full ECC memory correction, and less expensive than the Suns to boot. Did I mention they run Solaris natively and thus also run every application we use on our Suns?
Fujitsu Primepower Site
These guys have taken the SPARC performance crown from Sun, their support is better, and their machines are more stable. I can't wait to shitcan our crashy UE10000, hopefully in favor of a Fujitsu PP 2500.
I don't see why anyone should mourn the passing of proprietary hardware, proprietary software (solaris), and pseudo-open standards (java).
Sun is not helping as it is. I will not be sad when the company disappears.
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This should be cout << *it;
And your templates are screwed also.
Your solution doesn't compile out of the box. Your source code is poorly indented. The features are weak and don't justify designing a C++ program in the first place. Using the vector class to implement it is overkill and silly. ole2.h is included but not used, including it and windows.h breaks the only feature of the program : its great portability to C++ compliant platforms.
Your attempt at trolling is ridiculous. Your programming skills are vaporous at best. Your knowledge of HTML entities and behavior of special characters on the web is nil.
You just suck.
sun should merge/buy/sell to macromedia and go linux, use the flash player, pool the developers and head for the software space as china comes online.
Well being that I work for the service part of Fujitsu that works on sun products, I couldnt agree with you more, we know that the primepower is a better implementation of suns own hardware running their OS, so much in fact that they are no longer partners with us servicing their equipment, I guess they got their feelings hurt that our SPARC whipped their ass. But we need more sysadmins to USE the Primepower and push their management towards it. Keep up the great work.
He seldom posts anything rational, or that doesn't fan some political flame. Guess the other editors like it enough to keep his lying ass on staff. Generates page hits at least, which gives them revenue.
Think about it...you've got a business model where it pays you to be an inflammatory ass and ride on the success of better days on the site.
Case in point: He simply claims Java will die. Newsflash, it won't. It is a superior language and, more importantly, superior application architecture framework. I don't want to start a holy war of languages, i believe they all have their place, but Object Orientation, inheritance and polymorphism, at the language layer, make for comparably more robust applications. The Java API lets developers focus on the business logic at hand, it turns hackers into analysts, enforces them to think about the possiblity of reusable components. Sure there's a lot of bad Java code out there. I'm just saying it is more likely to bring out quality code than any other platform.
Java also benefits from TREMEDOUS support in the open-source community, from FREE web application frameworks such as Tomcat and Jboss. Another important thing is that Java development can happen on ANY Platform. With java development you are tied to no single operating system and processor. There is a java VM and SDK out there for every major enviroment and a lot of less popular ones.
Take the example of a web application written in Java and based on the servlet/jsp architecture: Production systems that run your application for the public run Sun Solaris on big-iron processors. Does that mean developers need Solaris at their desktop? hello no. They can use windows, linux and macosx. It is very easy to "mimmic" the entire application locally while performing your development and connecting to localhost for testing.
Look at freshmeat. I don't see the Java community getting any smaller. In fact, Java is part of most university computer science curriculums, though i'll admit it's no real indicator of its prevalence in the business world.
But still, name one technology out there that is a good replacement for Java? Maybe there are some. But Cringeley doesn't come CLOSE to name any. So why then is Java doomed? what are its competitors? he doesn't care to delve into that, he prolly doesn't care. He likes making assumptions and offer no backing.
Cringeley is piss-poor journalism at its best.
What has this fucker ever done beside mindless rants in poorly-researched columns?
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