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Buy a Segway... Please

aedunn writes "Wired has an article about everyone's favorite Human Transporter - Segway. Seems as though the company is looking at some hard times. Among other things, the article cites Segway's price, low speed and tightened spending in the corporate world as reasons for Segway's slow sales."

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  1. I think we all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    knew this was going to happen. It's the dotcom bubble all over again; useless products at high prices, with expectations inflated by hype and spin. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  2. this just in by trb · · Score: 5, Funny

    A company with an overpriced useless product and no business plan is having trouble surviving. Film at 11.

    1. Re:this just in by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, what do they think this is, the '90s?

    2. Re:this just in by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A company with an overpriced useless product and no business plan is having trouble surviving. Film at 11.

      Actually, he had a business plan. He makes accessibility machines for people who are disabled. His stair climbing machine, Fred Estaire, gave rise to the name of Segway, "Ginger". The plan was basically this - selling Fred Estaires to disabled people restricts your target market. Ginger could be marketed to anyone, so the market would be immensely larger. The flaw is that this equipment is expensive to design and manufacture, which makes its price point well outside the range of what fully mobile people would consider paying for a simple vehicle. Disabled people will spend four figures on something that restores lost mobility and independence. Other people won't drop that much cash on what is for them a toy.

    3. Re:this just in by wfmcwalter · · Score: 5, Interesting
      No, they think it's 1985.

      Essentially they're selling a Sinclair C5 with one less wheel, no seat, at seven times the cost.

      It's an interesting marketing lesson, showing that neat technical features don't necessarily turn into value propositions that would make a customer actually want to cough up the money. Its amazon.com page tries in vain to sell it, protesting its uncanny ability to go backwards, go up slopes (gasp!), and even "self balance". The trouble is - people with fully functional legs can do all those things for free right now, and people without generally can't use a segway.

      And Dean - it's five thousand dollars!. I can wear my underpants on my head, shove two pencils up my nose and look like a maniac for free.

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    4. Re:this just in by ryanvm · · Score: 5, Funny

      The plan was basically this - selling Fred Estaires to disabled people restricts your target market. Ginger [Segway] could be marketed to anyone, so the market would be immensely larger.

      No no no - you've got it all wrong. His plan was to get Ginger street legal in all the big cities. Once that happened and they became popular, Segway vs automobile accidents would skyrocket and he'd be rolling in invoices for the real moneymaker - handicapped transportation. Dean Kamen is a tricky, tricky white boy.

    5. Re:this just in by Uart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AH, but most of the market with enough expendable income to afford a Segway (upper middle class +) doesn't live in downtown london. They live in the suburbs.

      New Jersey/Long Island/Other Major Suburban Areas have alot more room, and most of the people living there own cars that are more than handy enough for getting here and there.

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    6. Re:this just in by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can your fully functional legs carry you 12 mph for 5 miles?

      On a bicycle, easily. On foot, at half that speed easily.

      I could be wrong with the figures but wouldn't a Segway pay for itself in a couple years if you could save $8 a day on that one fee alone? ($5000/8=625)

      Or you could buy a really really nice bicycle for half that price (or a really nice one for under 1/5 the price). As an added bonus, you wouldn't be a fat lump looking stupid standing on a self balancing Jetsonesque piece of kitch.

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  3. Is this honestly a surprise? by Badgerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Segway, no matter how advanced it is, is not something people were anxious to have. Maybe there are uses for it, but people don't see them, and they don't want them.

    Toss in the down economy, and it's no surprise.

    I don't think the plans for selling Segway were any more than "it's so cool and the guy behind it has a great reputation," and that is NOT enough.

    It's basic economics.

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  4. Ha ha by nelsonal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its funny, if he hadn't had such high expectations, he could have a small but profitable and growing company, it sounded like he had orders for 10 per week or 520 per year, if he had not leased a 70,000 sq. ft. manufacturing facility, and planned to revolutionize the world selling thousands a week, which increased his fixed costs, and the numbers he needed to sell to be profitable, this would be a completely different story. Google did it right, grow at a sustainable rate, and do not try to get too big too fast.

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  5. Take my Segway...please! by Toasty16 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dean Kamen is a genius! I mean, a motorized scooter? It's brilliant! Society will be revolutionized!

    Think of the benefits: Less people driving cars! Unless more than one person wants to travel, and unless they want to carry luggage or groceries or anything else for that matter, or if they want to listen to the radio while they travel, or if they want to go more than a dozen or so miles...hmm, lets try this again.

    Think of the benefits: Easier personal transport! Unless you run into a flight of stairs, or uneven or wet ground, or want to travel for longer than 45 minutes after which you'll have to lug it around with you like so much dead weight...hmmm, this isn't working either.

    How about this: The Segway is amazing! For only $5000 you can get a motorized scooter that allows you to roll where you once walked! That is truly revolutionary, unless you count the bicycle, rollerskates, rollerblades, skateboards, wheelchairs, non-motorized scooters...Aww forget it, I give up!

  6. Re:Stirling engine? by robolemon · · Score: 5, Informative
    A Stirling engine is an motor driven by two plates that are held (somehow) at a temperature difference. I have seen several, including one that was driven by the heat coming off my hand.

    The benefit to a Stirling engine is that any type of heating process can lead to motion.

    I actually learned this while visiting DEKA (Dean Kamen's research and development company that created the Segway). They were developed by a man named Stirling sometime in the 1800s, I believe.

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  7. I like the segway by Lord_Pall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay.. I know the segway is pretty useless for day to day life, but I was fortunate enough to actually use one in a few situations during my vacation in december...

    Seadream Yacht Club (a cruise line), has 4 segways per ship for passenger use (the ships are very small, so that's actually an okay number).

    We went on our cruise the week after they got them, so they were still experimenting with their itinerary. We learned how to use them in nassau, on the pier right off of the ship.

    They work exactly as every test driver has stated.. Once you get comfortable on them, you just think about moving forward and you go forward. It's all based off of the weight distribution on your feet. There's a tendency to lean forward to try and make it go faster, but this goes away eventually.

    Turning is a little weirder as it's geared off of your hand motion (sort of like a motorcycle throttle). If you are going full speed forward (depending on the key your using to control the max speed), and turn, you're going to fall off. That was something we had to learn to deal with..

    Anyhow.. after we learned how to drive them, we got to use them in a heavy pedestrian traffic area.. Key West. We used them for a quick tour of the island, driving on the streets and sidewalks, weaving into and out of traffic, bicyclists and pedestrians flawlessly. They stop on a dime, turn on a dime, and will throw you to the ground on a dime if you're not careful.

    For day to day use (for most people), they're completely useless. For people who need to interact with pedestrian traffic, they're great.

    The place i'd like to see them used more is in the vacation industry. Seadream is planning on using them for tours of portofino, and other places in europe. This is where it would truly shine.

    The last thing that I find a little weird is that Seadream had a decent amount of trouble actually getting segway to talk to them and sell them units. For a company thats having problems moving product, they should probably change their policy in dealin with outside vendors.

    Sure they only wanted 8 or 10 of them, but given the clientele and quantity of people who will get to use/see them, it's free advertising.

    If they could get them to be a little lighter (under the 86 pounds they're at now), and a little more collapsible (so you could carry it with you on vacation), and made them a little cheaper (1500 bux or so)..

    I think they've got a chance.. Otherwise it's just a novelty

  8. Re:Product in search of a market by will_die · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like Steve Jobs said in the future cities will be designed around these. Already happening, San Francisco is redesigning thier city by putting up theses 'No Segways allowed.' signs.

  9. Goddammit! by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I get so angry reading the comments posted here about the Segway. Move on if you don't want to read some vitriol. I'm sorry, but it needs to be said.

    Look - the Segway is an attempt to alleviate the total unmitigated disaster that is modern automotive traffic.

    If you could all be so kind as to take a step back.. waaayyy back. Think of cars, particularly in cities. The fatalities. The noise. The pollution. The cost. The traffic. The space they take up. Were a self-respecting geek to examine this system from above, encountering it for the first time, I imagine they would recoil in horror. I can't see it as anything but a giant cluster-fuck.

    Look at New York, downtown. Practically everyone living there would tell you that traffic is nigh-on impossible. But still, we tolerate it. We love our cars. We cannot give them up, not now, not ever... in fact, we want bigger ones!

    People will not come to terms with the fact that the responsible thing to do is to explore these options. We simply must.

    Now, I am fully aware of the Segway's limitations. Obviously it has problems with inclement weather, battery life, etc. Again, I must remind the reader that this is the first of it's kind. The arguments presented against the Segway are often ludicrous:

    - "i can't use my hands".. you can't when you drive either
    - "i've gotta stand up".. that's part of the point, they take up less room
    - "they'll kill people on sidewalks".. amazing, this argument. It's a total non-starter. Anyone on rollerblades or a bike is much more of a danger.

    Come on! We are the ones who should be embracing this! Who's gonna convince Kamen to invent the Segway you really want? You know, the chariot version, that gets 5x the distance, and is 1/5 the price? It cannot get here by itself.

    I'm sorry for the rant, but frankly the blank-faced pessimism disgusts me. Where is your sense of wonder, Slashdot? Don't be like those fucking lemmings who close the case on new technology before it's even been tried.

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  10. Denial Mode by CallistoLion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The battery runs out after two hours, and to change it: "You pull out eight bolts, put in two new batteries, tighten up the eight bolts, and continue on your route."

    At 80 pounds how do you get it out of your car's trunk? "It's easy," Smith chirps. "I grab one side and get a friend to lift the other."

    Tell those engineers to put away the happy pills.

  11. Re:I almost bought one... by irix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's wrong with the Hummer H2, and what about it would make the buyer an idiot?

    Well, we are offtopic here, but since you asked...

    The H2 is a Chevy Tahoe in some fancy body cladding that they are charging twice the money for. It doesn't have half of the offroad capabilities of the real Hummer (HMMWV), which was selected by the U.S. military because it was the best wheeled offroad vehicle they could get.

    So, the people who are buying the H2 are doing it for the look-cool factor, but all they are getting is a minivan that uses three times as much gas. Sure, people might buy the original Hummer for the look-cool factor too, but at least they are getting the real deal.

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