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Slashback: Compromise, Bugs, Slag

Slashback with more on Bill Gates' comments on bugs in Microsoft's code, the recent compromising of millions of credit card numbers, more .uk domain waffling, and more, including a foolproof way to stop anyone from reading data off of your discarded hard drive's platters.

Let me just slide your card a few dozen more times ... Any Web Loco writes "Following on from this piece on /., this story in the Sydney Morning Herald tells us that the company that got hacked (exposing up to 8 million credit card numbers) was Data Processors International. Not much to the story, but we now know who it was."

Another reason to be cautious about domains with "uk" in them. An anonymous reader writes "The Register reports that Nominet has looked at opening .net.uk up or killing it off and then decided it can't decide. The chair of sub-committee responsible, Clive Feather, is currently standing for re-election to Nominets Policy Advisory Board. The sub-committee he chaired had suggested shutting down net.uk entirely, which the main board rejected. His position must surely be under scrutiny by the internet community."

Interesting bugs are in the teeth of the beholder. dvdweyer writes "I myself do remember having read the whole interview with Bill Gates in Focus, a German weekly news magazine (their online service now seems to be part of MSN *yuck*). There are however resources online which provide full sources, in English, most notably RISKS in issue 17.43 (not 17.42) with a follow-up in issue 17.44."

When fan-subs just aren't what you want. May Kasahara writes "Studio Ghibli fansite Nausicaa.net now has official release dates for Region 1 DVDs of Kiki's Delivery Service , Laputa: Castle in the Sky , and Spirited Away , as well as official preview artwork of the disks and packaging. As a side note, the site now has a page up for Miyazaki's upcoming Howl's Magic Castle . See you at the video store on April 15!"

Fonts make your terminal much more useful. Russ Nelson writes "The Bitstream Vera fonts are available for trial use. Bitstream is still tweaking them, so they're under the provisional "no redistribution" license. You can download them yourself, though, and in about a month, put them in your software distribution. Kudos to X co-creator Jim Gettys for finally getting X some professional-quality fonts."

Dear Mr. Ashcroft: I hope you find this slag useful. eecue writes "Due to the recent MIT study concerning data recovery from old hard drives, we decided that the only foolproof means of data removal was complete destruction."

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  1. the article is from 1995 by RobertTaylor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    with more on Bill Gates' comments on bugs in Microsoft's code

    Reading earlier someone (Presence2) stated:

    This interview occured in 1995.. don't you folks read? This was before 98,win2k,ME,XP and even NT was still OS2 in disguise. I'm sure Gates et al said a whole mess of stuff (128k memory?) that looking back now is ridiculus. Why drag a 7 year old article out for /. to rag on? - You're just sifting for dirt.

    Dont you even read users posts? Its amazing what you would learn ;)

    1. Re:the article is from 1995 by stock · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well don't you realize that if Bill gates would conduct a interview today with the same statements, he would create a big mess ?

      And why would we all suddenly believe that what he said in that interview in 1995 is not valid anymore? Remember latest security flaws on the microsoft platform, and on what massive scale it today happens? That costs fortunes while the legal department of MSFT allows Bill Gates to walk away with a smile.

      Robert

    2. Re:the article is from 1995 by caferace · · Score: 5, Funny
      Dont you even read users posts? Its amazing what you would learn ;)

      They don't even RTFA, and you want them to read user posts too?

      damn.

    3. Re:the article is from 1995 by wdr1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shhhh... it's best not to alert the editors that it's 2003 and not 1995. They'll be pissed about VA's stock price.

      -Bill

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  2. Actually who knows... by Goronmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bill Gates' attitude back then might have had an effect on the development of future OSes. I mean, just because it was so old doesn't make it completely irrelevant.

    Still, one would hope that he has had a few changes of heart since then.

  3. Drive slagging.. by Deamos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that's how I'd want to get rid of my hard drives.. Anyone have a furnace I can use to get rid of some crapped out drives that came from servers that have pissed me off?

    Crash unexpectedly have you? Take that!

    Turn them in to paperclips! Finally a way to come through with all those threats! HAH!

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  4. It turns out that ... by DogIsMyCoprocessor · · Score: 5, Funny

    all 8 million credit cards were held by 6 families in an Alabama trailer park.

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  5. In other news by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait for Sun to finish on their Oak project for interactive Televisions!

    Anyone out there hear of this new free OS called Lineux or something? I think it was written by some student in Estonia or something. Two guys down in San Jose are starting up some company based on this product called "RedHelmet" or something.... but I'm sure they'll go out of business in a year.

    I tried to go to their website, but I can't get my Mosaic brower to display these new Jpeg pictures.

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    1. Re:In other news by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Funny
      Anyone out there hear of this new free OS called Lineux or something?

      According to Linus Torvalds, Linux is specific to the x86, and will probably never be ported to any other architecture, so it's probably not going to amount to much in the long run.

      When Apple releases Copland, we'll all want to get PPCs.

  6. Re:hard drive destruction by Nine+Mirrors+Turning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an earlier incarnation I used to work for the government doing military research. We had to burn all disc containing classified material. The reason given, since substantiated by a guy at the swedish equiv of NSA, was that a SQUID (Super-conducting Quantum Interference Device) could manage at least 25 overwrites, possibly many more. Our security officer built a large bonfire every spring of used hard drives and ignited them with thermite. T'was a grand sight!

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  7. the part I found funny by prisoner · · Score: 4, Funny

    was "after a few minutes we saw a toxic smoke" etc, etc. I don't know why but that made me laugh. For some reason I have visions of some geek smelling that shit and saying "that's not so ACK ACK ACK...thump".

    1. Re:the part I found funny by BRTB · · Score: 5, Funny
      Nah, the best part is the end of that sentence...
      After a few minutes we noticed toxic smoke rising from the furnace vent and decided to take a look inside.
      "Ooh, toxic smoke! Let's get closer so we can breathe it! ::geek looks in and falls over::"
  8. Hard Drive Destroyed by TedTschopp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those of you without the tools necessary in the pictures above. A Road flare works wonders.

    This from personal experience. I work for a rather large company. When we were upgrading from Windows 95 to 2000, many of the exec. at the company expressed concerns about the confidential data on their old machines. We Assured them that the data would be deleted.

    We took the hard drives out to the parking lot broke open the drive, started up a road flare and proceeded to melt down the platters. We left the drive 'cool' down and took them back into our exec. and showed them to him. He was quite happy with the procedure. He asked that all exec.'s hard drive be treated the same. We decided at that point our supply of flares would not last so one tech mentioned that he had a blow torch at home. Next morning he returned with 10 nicly blown hard drives.

    On another note, I've heard (someone please verify) that the military uses explosives to take care of old hard drives and storage media.

    Ted

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  9. Re: netcraft survey says... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


    > The site www.dpicorp.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

    That's pretty much irrelevant until we find out how the numbers were acquired. For instance, if someone hacked an application rather than the OS, or if the hack had inside help (such as a leaked password), then the OS is completely irrelevant.

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  10. Drive slagging. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


    I used to just throw mine into the nearest active volcano, until I found out some volcano-diving kiddie named d4r74 was reading them anyway.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  11. Gates doesn't say bugs are good! by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, it's 8 years old, so it's irrelevant, but still, the most revealing comment to me is:

    The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix bugs. It's absolutely not. It's the stupidest reason to buy a new version I ever heard.

    And it makes perfect sense! New versions should not be about bug-fixes. Being told to "Upgrade" should never be a valid response to someone complaining about a bug. Gates isn't saying bugs are in their on purpose, he isn't saying their good. He isn't saying they're in there because that's what sells. He's saying bugs are bad, bugs should be gotten rid of in any given version, and that a new version isn't about bug fixes, it's about new features. Isn't that what a new version SHOULD be?

    Some software companies are bad at that. Some companies <cough, Intuit, cough> *DO* insist that to fix a bug, you must upgrade. That is stupid.

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    The purpose of that site was not known.
  12. Re:hard drive destruction by edhall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In some cases security has to take into account not only current threats, but future threats as well. Magnetic technology has been advancing quickly. A technology which can pack a terabytes in a square inch is also likely to be able to find and separate the remnants of multiple writes at today's gigabyte densities. If you have something you want to keep secret for the next decade or two, it's prudent to take extreme measures when you wnat to destroy it.

    -Ed
  13. Re:Data Wiping by 23orgFlea · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think you missed the point... We didn't slag the drive to get rid of data.. we slagged it becuase MELTING HARDS DRIVES IS COOL! Besides, 0 fills will only stop the curious not the devoted. MELTING STUFF IN A FURNACE IN YOUR BACK YARD IS COOL OK?

  14. Re:hard drive destruction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Very true. I have a friend who works for a large think tank up here in Massachusetts, and they had some critical data from a few years ago that they had to get off of a drive that had since been reformatted with a couple of different file systems and used for multiple different OSs in different workstations. (How the hell they ever figured out where the data was in the first place, I'll never know, but anyway :)

    They took it to a commercial data recovery service and for about $500 they'll put it through one of those devices that reads weak quantum residues and get you back whatever data it was that you were looking for. Of course, the drive is in itty-bitty irradiated pieces, so you can never use it again, but it works :)

  15. It's history by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No more ridiculus than looking back on Pearl Harbour or the Gettysburg Address. Humans learn from their mistakes, really clever ones learn from other peoples.

  16. Re:Vera, what do you look like? by Hal+Roberts · · Score: 5, Informative
  17. Securely deleting encrypted data by phr2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    First of all you should never write sufficiently sensitive data to a hard drive in cleartext form. But if you have 10,000 encrypted files and you want to delete one securely, the question then becomes, how do you get rid of the decryption key for that file?

    It turns out you can do that if you have some securely deletable way to store just one key (e.g. 16 bytes for an AES key). See here for further description and a link to sample code.

  18. Re:netcraft survey says...OT by wirefarm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who else heard "netcraft survey says..." spoken in Richard Dawson's voice when they read that?

    (Of course, I frequently hear Richard Dawson's voice in my head. Werner Klemperer, too...)

    Cheers,
    Jim

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  19. Re:Dodgy word "slag" by syrinx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Out of morbid curiosity, what _does_ 'wank' mean to an American?

    That the speaker is British, and therefore would not make a good dentist?

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