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PCMCIA Announces NEWCARD Format
schnoz writes "Found this over at DPReview: "The PCMCIA technology association has today announced the 'NEWCARD' format. This new format makes use of PC Card, PCI Express and USB 2.0 technologies. The NEWCARD format is also aimed at both Mobile and Desktop PCs". Check out the rest of the article here."
You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out,
You put your left foot in,
Then you shake it all about!
You do the Barfy Toddler and you cover the youngster,
That's whats it's all about!
hahahahah, thats one AWESOME(and new) name!
Easy to lose as Memory Stick I'd prefer classic PCMCIA cards
The package said "Windows XP or better. Pentium Class Processor or better"... So I got a Mac with OS X
Neat!
The PCMCIA technology association has today announced the 'NEWCARD' format. This new format makes use of PC Card, PCI Express and USB 2.0 technologies. The NEWCARD format is also aimed at both Mobile and Desktop PCs. By drawing upon USB 2.0 and PCI Express, the NEWCARD specification will bring serial bus technology to a smaller form factor that offers more performance and improved ease of use. This new specification will revolutionize how PC developers and OEMs utilize the expansion slot for next-generation features such as wireless networking, storage and card readers.
Press Release:
PCMCIA Announces Development of New Expansion Card Technology for Mobile and Desktop PCsLeading Industry Groups Collaborate to Drive Introduction of 'NEWCARD' Specification
INTEL DEVELOPER FORUM CONFERENCE, San Jose, Calif., Feb. 19, 2003 - PCMCIA, a leading technology trade association, today announced the development of a new specification codenamed NEWCARD that takes the next step in PC Card evolution. The new specification builds on the successful characteristics of the PC Card: reliability, ease of use and wide industry support while delivering external expansion with reduced size, increased speed, lower costs and support of advanced serial I/O technologies, USB 2.0 and PCI Express.
NEWCARD marks the first time expansion card specifications will be shared among mobile and desktop PCs. Intel, Microsoft, IBM, Dell, HP, Lexar Media , SCM Microsystems and Texas Instruments are among those supporting development of the new standard. Two key industry groups, the USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) and the PCI-SIG (Peripheral Component Interconnect-Special Interest Group), are collaborating with the PCMCIA to support the underlying bus technology used in defining the NEWCARD form factor. PCMCIA will lead the NEWCARD specification development effort.
Innovative applications and technologies continue to be developed at an amazing rate, requiring PC clients to have the latest expansion capabilities, said Brad Saunders of Intel Corporation and chairman of the PCMCIA. By drawing upon USB 2.0 and PCI Express, the NEWCARD specification will bring serial bus technology to a smaller form factor that offers more performance and improved ease of use. This new specification will revolutionize how PC developers and OEMs utilize the expansion slot for next-generation features such as wireless networking, storage and card readers.
This initiative also marks the first time that three major industry work groups--PCMCIA, USB-IF and PCI-SIG--have partnered to promote and validate a specification. We expect NEWCARD to have a widespread impact on the industry because it leverages existing technology to make PC expansion easier and less expensive, added Saunders. In addition, the PC Quality/Ease of Use Roundtable, an industry group that focuses on reducing end-user issues, is providing guidance around human interaction with NEWCARD.
NEWCARD is targeted for both mobile and desktop system developers and OEMs seeking small form factors and sealed systems for smaller and thinner mobile system designs. Consumers will benefit from the compatibility of add-in cards between their mobile and desktop systems, similar to how USB devices can be shared between laptops and desktop clients.
The specification is slated for release later this year. Companies wishing to participate in the specification development are invited to contact PCMCIA. Currently, products supporting NEWCARD are scheduled to debut in the second half of 2004.
PC Card technology adds expansion capabilities such as memory, mass storage, networking and wireless communications to computers and other communications and consumer electronics devices. Future expansion capabilities range from wireless communications, TV tuners, security card readers to optical storage media.
Quotes from Supporting Organizations
Randy Groves, CTO, Dell Product Group: The NEWCARD standard will benefit corporate customers and consumers alike by increasing bandwidth and simplifying installation. We're pleased to support NEWCARD and are excited about its implications for future architectures.
Dan Forlenza, VP of Notebook Engineering, Hewlett Packard : HP believes PCMCIA NEWCARD will enable high performance, innovative form factors and improve the user experience. NewCard is the new expansion card of the next generation notebooks, which is why HP is actively involved in defining the specification.
Jan Janick, VP of Development, IBM: IBM is pleased to have been involved in the design of PCMCIA's NEWCARD standard. Customers will benefit from the new format, which will provide higher performance in a smaller package, and enable IBM to create the next generation of smaller, sleeker devices for mobile computing.
Anand Chandrasekher, VP and General Manager, Intel's Mobile Platform Group: NEWCARD is an exciting innovation for the existing PC Card form factor. By supporting two NEWCARDS in the space of one current device, mobile PCs will have increased flexibility in adding new functionality.
Doug Kellam, VP of Worldwide Marketing, Lexar Media: Lexar Media is pleased to support the development of NEWCARD by leveraging our expertise in flash based memory solutions. This new specification provides greater opportunity for future product breakthroughs using high speeds, smaller form factors and ease of connectivity.
Tom Philips, Director of Windows Hardware, Microsoft Corporation: The way people interact with their PC is a key component of development at Microsoft. PCMCIA's NEWCARD specification will offer new functionality to upgraded PC's. NEWCARD supports advanced serial interfaces that are great for plug-n-play, but also eliminates the cable clutter usually found with external expansion devices.
Tony Pierce, Microsoft Corporation and Chairman of the PCI SIG: The PCI-SIG is excited to be working with the PCMCIA on NEWCARD as the market momentum and applications for the PCI Express Architecture continue to expand across various market segments and innovative form factors. The PCI-SIG looks forward to collaborating with the PCMCIA and the USB-IF on joint enabling and compliance programs to ensure a range of interoperable products deploying exciting new applications in this form factor.
Robert Schneider, CEO, SCM Microsystems Inc.: NEWCARD addresses the need for a next generation, high-speed system bus standard and goes far beyond. The availability of both a high-speed single- and double-wide card enables development of critical new security applications based on smart cards, which are expected to become a key component of digital security. Long term, NEWCARD form factors can be leveraged beyond notebooks and handhelds onto open desktop systems. Once again, PCMCIA is paving the way for new technologies that bring immediate value to industry and help shape solutions that benefit the consumer.
Jason Ziller, Intel Corporation and Chairman of the USB Implementers Forum: Since USB is already the ubiquitous connection for peripheral devices in the industry, there will be lots of applications immediately available to put into the NEWCARD form factor. With the abundance of already certified USB-based silicon and the well-established USB-IF compliance program, USB will help to deliver high quality NEWCARD products to consumers.
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022103pcmci
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Is it just me, or did that article seem to be more toward executives who want to see their companies name than people who want to know what is going on? While I see a bunch of stuff about how this will "revolutionize" the industry, I could just barely get the info on what IT actually was. It would have been nice to actually see some info like how this USB2/PCMCIA/PCI connection is going to work or what it will look like? Is it something where you buy an adapter cable depending on which of the three you're plugging it into?
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shows a unit labled 'Single Wide'. I wonder what that implies for the future, and if it refers to physical size or data bus size
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."
I suppose repackaging existing technology in yet another form factor is a more cost effective product development plan...
Its just a way for manufacturers who make USB format devices to quickly retool their devices to work in a PCMCIA format.
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For the last year, I've been posting inflamatory messages under various handles. I'm not proud of what I've done, but I hope to explain my actions so everyone can at least understand it.
When I first joined AOL, I hadn't had that much experience with the internet. I naturally gravitated to the politics forums, since I watch tv to keep myself informed of current events.
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Don't mod this guy up. Page text posters shouldn't be modded up anyways. You should always AC a page text post.
And besides, in this case their website is flying...go whore somewhere else.
And try not reading the web through a 14.4 Kpbs connection.
I've always thought it would be really neat if someone could make a basically PCMCIA based computer. No PCI slots, no need to open up your computer -- just a slot in the front of the computer where you could insert a new card that gets automatically plugged in, enabling pre-existing ports on the back of one's box.
Instead of having to make users deal with a modem PCI card, a network PCI card, sound card, etc, all they would need to do to upgrade is eject one of the old PCMCIA cards and load a new one like one loads a video tape.
I'm not saying this would be easy or compatible with existing OSs, but it sure would be cool.
Umm, well it IS just a press release, so...
See subject shithead.
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billwg - 05:53pm Feb 21, 2003 EST (# 6460 of 6462)
SCO, has a strong claim and with Boies to make the argument, the penguins might be pecking no more!
Well it's against the law! Anyone can give away software if they steal it from the rightful copyright holders. Now let's see what the open sourcerers can do if they have to obey the law for once.
billwg - 05:59pm Feb 21, 2003 EST (# 6461 of 6462)
SCO is, of course, not the Santa Cruz Operation that the unixers once loved and that once tried to bring unix to the intel world. SCO is the new shell inhabited by that software hermit crab Caldera and funded by Novell Noorda in an attempt to bring consternation and uncertainty to the computing world. The penguins may wish to note that he is a pew mate of the staid Orren Hatch who is spoiling for a comeback from his inauspicious showing against Herr Gates. Live in real fear, penguins! LOL!!!
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Not PCI, PCI Express. Aka 3GIO. The next ass kicking replacement of PCI.
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And so, I went soul-searching. I thought back on the other night and the bitchslapping rampage I went on in that thread. I thought of some of the very low UIDs whom I'd smacked down, I thought about the many user moderations that me and the other editors had unjustly overturned with our unlimited mod points. I considered the outcry, the suggestions that we were ignoring the will of our own community, that we were evading a subject that desperately needs discussing, that we were acting autocratically and making hypocrites of ourselves. All these things I pondered, and I pondered long and hard. And this is what I have to say:
Go away.
When me and Hemos began this site so long ago now, we were starry-eyed small-town lovers; young, naive, and drunk on the possibility that a real revolution of sorts might be on the horizon, and that it might involve small furry animals. And so we opened up our labour of love to the world, never suspecting that it would become even half of what it has become today. Things were good, for a time.
But things change. None of you could ever understand just what it feels like, and what it does to a man, to have such a large userbase grow up under your shoddy perl scripts. Unless it happens to you firsthand, you can never truly know. They say that power corrupts, and I am here to tell you that it is true. Once, I cared. I really did. But you people... you went from being individuals, from people I could care about and chat with on #slashdot, to becoming a giant formless mass.. a formless mass seperated into factions; an army of idiots filling my inbox with crap and my RAID array with drivel. Every thread now, I'm lucky if I can find a single comment that doesn't appear to be stamped down by a dim-witted cookie-cutter of a mind. Endless parrotting, pompous bullshit, and people so one-dimensional that it is frightening. I have a secret for you: I too believe that the absurdist noise and distraction of the 'trolls' is the most worthwhile part of slashdot these days. I don't care about anything anymore, save bukkake vids and the occasional good troll.
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Thank you.
I don't know, none of the women there really did it for me.
I guess I'll just have to get my phone sex the old fasioned way, calling 1-800-DENTIST.
Thanks 'Newcard' is just the codename. Imagine if it would have been the actual name... the next version of the product would have been called 'Newer Card', the following 'Even newer card' and so on.
my desktop there's many serialparlel and also usb firewire sometimes 2.0 What's another for/ just one more I'll lose this I think. will be saying >> no way to the osay!
Yeah, that's you. Do everyone a favor and kill yourself. Bitch.
like HighFrequency - VeryHighFrequency - UltraHighFrequency - SuperHighFrequency - Exremely(?)HighFrequency
or DoubleDensity - HighDensity - ExtraHighDensity
NewCard - NewNewCard - EvenNewerCard
there is no spoon
Here is a picture of it in an actual computer.
Why does DPReview regurgitate this bullcrap? Why does slashdot?
How about some facts? When will we start to see this new interface used? What are the performance figures? Benefits (besides taking you to the future and beyond, revolutionize the computer industry)?
This is worse than vaporware.
Whats next? NEWERCARD? REALLYNEWCARD? NEWERTHANLAST-CARD?
-- The universe began. Life started on a billion worlds...
-- Except on one where stupidity was there first.
...if companies support it widely enough. It would be nice to slip this into a dumb terminal, and presto! instant user desktop with our personal info on it. Then take it out and carry your stuff with you.
this is just one of the possibilities
Maybe this is offtopic but I think it is important that people realize that one should never name things "new something", because of the obvious reason: at some point they will not be new anymore and the name will be plain stupid and whoever invented it will feel bad. So save yourself the trouble and think before naming stuff. This applies to function names, program names, whatever.
No, that's not a typo. The picture shows how this thing is barely bigger than a pair of quarters edge-to-edge. Great. You know how often I lose change?
There's a certain advantage to having small media/cards/devices. For example, having a 128 MB SD disk in my digicam is nice. I don't have to have a backpack to store more than 100 pictures at a time. But some of these things aren't even big enough to fit your initials on them, let alone some sort of recovery info if you *were* to lose what amounts to not much more in size than pocket lint.
It's nice that I can take my entire mp3 collection anywhere I want to go in a thimble. That's a real advance in computer technology. But are these guys banking on the idea that I'll lose one out of every 10 to 20 of these things that I'll buy?
I hope any NEWCARDs that I might need or buy come with a carrying case that's about as big as a floppy or CD. I'm still finding jelly beans, pen caps, and AA batteries under the furniture that have probably been there since Reagan was in office....oh..there's my entire work portfolio...
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Yeah, You're FUCKING FIRED!!! Bitches.
"The way people interact with their PC is a key component of development at Microsoft." I would never have guessed...
"Hi I wanted to get a NEWCARD for my computer."
"Sure, what kind of new card did you want to get, a modem, video card, etc...?"
Ave Molech Setting
I think I head it was People Can't Memorize Complicated Industry Acronyms?
Any want to confirm/correct this?
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Never trust a press release that uses "leverage" as a verb three times in less than a page. Unless it's a press release about levers.
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Why not use something worth a damn like Firewire or even Firewire 2.0 (which I've heard about being developed though I haven't seen much on it)? From what I've seen, Firewire devices still have a faster transmission rate than the USB 2.0 devices even though the burst speed is lower. Plus, Firewire isn't some much of the hack that USB is (nd yes I run SCSI too!).
Or is Intel and the gang still pissed that IEEE won't give USB the time of day?
It's Personal Memory Card International Association, but nobody cares.
No, I don't know where that extra C came from.
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I prefer the OLDCARD name... as one would put it "Teeeh Expensive Little Piece of Garbage".
Why didn't they choose FireWire 800 or something like an AGP type i/o so that video card PC cards could be ultrafast?
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Typical press release doubletalk. Based on the "single-wide" (which implies double-wide) and the quotes which refer to two cards in the same form factor as one PCMCIA, I'd bet a dollar or two that:
1) NEWCARD is simply specs for a new version of PCMCIA that allows for two NEWCARDs in the place of one PCMCIA. This allows notebook manufactures to keep their dies the same and just swap out the card bay. If they get cute, they might even be able to make a hybrid version that takes either 1 old or 2 new cards--depends on connector pinouts).
2) Since they will be restricted in connector pin space, they're using a USB2.0 serial bus for communication rather than PCMCIAs parallel bus/bizarre IDE disk protocol. Fewer pins, better reliability and speed.
3) This is nothing more than a packaging standard. PCMCIA is just worried about impingement from Compact Flash cards for network/serial/bluetooth/everything else. Note the emphasis on "mobile" computing. Subtext: don't buy Flash, we're better.
4) (Personal opinion). Unclear to me why they'd trumpet any sort of connection to USB, given the incredibly bad compatibility story it has.
Edge connectors are tried an tested reliable technology.
Then why not do as Nintendo has done for years and put expansion boards in plastic packages?
Will I retire or break 10K?
IBM made such a machine - the PS/2e was a low-power (fanless!) machine with a single ISA slot. This slot was almost always filled with a pcmcia adapter that put 4 PCMCIA slots on the front panel (behind the lil' door.)
It didn't sell well, on account of it was way overpriced ($5000+ with a 10.4" VGA TFT, IIRC) - ultimately, it ended up at closeout places.
This type of "slimtop" machine is moderately popular in Japan where space & power efficiency are more highly valued than in the US.
-Isaac
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Seriously. How can you stop a compeditor that doesn't have bills to pay, or debt? I mean, I was worried back in the day. I was sure they'd come up with some way of simply taking advantage of strong political ties to make Linux essentially illegal. That doesn't even matter anymore. Money is getting invested. Huge companies are in. I used to flat out laugh at the "world domination" types on here because it just sounded so silly. My argument was always, who cares about the rest of the world. How can they stop something free? It's turning out to be their achilles heel. Microsoft can't buy Linux out. Microsoft is moving too slowly to make something that can compete on cost. They've spent a fortune on trying to market their way out of this inevitable approaching death, and people just don't buy it anymore. I'm not saying that Microsoft will fade into the distance. That's just not realistic. But they will have to give up the childish name calling and get onboard at some point. The sooner they realize they need to give up the server market and embrace Linux as much as they can, the less money they'll bleed down the road. If they don't, they'll lose the server market within a short time, then they'll slowly lose the desktop market. It's all right there in black and white. It's what I see. I can't be the only one. Imagine all the PHB's reading articles going "wow, that geeky guy telling me about Linux years ago was right. We need Linux now". I don't even feel silly saying that. I would have a year ago. Scott McNeilly in a Penguin suit speaks volumes. It's only a matter of time now.
Good summary from the BBC
Techie details from EE Times
What the FUCK is this???
Found in Google Directory here. All I can say is FUCK YOU , France, and FUCK YOU , Google.
That's just FUD. USB compatibility is excellent, for the kinds of devices for which there are official standards. That includes mass storage, networking, and digital cameras. USB compatibility may not be perfect, but there are also plenty of FireWire, PCI, parallel port, and RS-232c devices that require special drivers.
In different words, USB's "compatibility story" certainly can be improved,b ut I don't see any alternative to USB that comes even close.
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Fan-fucking-tastic!
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I suppose PCMCIA/CardBus was too fast, and worked too well. "Let's throw USB2 in the mix and watch the hilarious results."
The advantage I see, is that USB and firewire have been smart enough (where everyone else was moronic) to have just one software interface, meaning one driver will support all the USB/Firewire cards.
However, they could have done the same thing with something better than USB2.
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Answer: it's stuck back in 1999, with GNU/HURD
As long as we don't have to spell it "N-E-W-C-A-R-D" every time we say it! People mispeak PCMCIA more than any other acronym I can think of.
You guys thinking you can just upgrade the entire computer with a closed up little plastic card, forget it. Gigabit ethernet outruns the 32 bit/33 MHz PCI bus. Video cards, gigabit network cards and even some sound cards have heatsinks and (some even have) fans. I'm having a hard time imagining exactly what this will be good for.
I don't think there was any actual information in that article. All I read was a bunch of hype about how good these Newcard format was going to be and what it was going to replace.
It almost seems as though they were just trying to sell some stock by making this new format to be the greatest thing to hit the laptop since the keyboard.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
...more dongles in our future. Most if not all recent laptops have built in 10/100 ethernet and 56K modem, as well as USB/firewire ports...there is less and less need for PCMCIA/PCCards of any size at all.
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
Hey, laugh it up about 'newcard'.
Seriously.
Have fun. All I know is any name beats the everloving s**t out of PCCard. I can't count
all the times I've had to break out of a conversation to make sure whoever I was doing
a support call for was talking about a PC-CARD (like a credit card) and not a PC card (like
one you open up the PC and install inside).
Oh god. I just channeled my own voice from the future: "No, is that a *NEW* card you've installed, or is it..."
I wonder if the people who write press-releases are ever embarrassed by what they do. It's got to go against the instincts of even the worst writers to have a 100:1 meaningless formulaic fluff to useful information ratio, and surely they don't think that potential customers are impressed by all the crap?
Maybe it's all a game between rival press-release writers to see who can write the longest press-release without actually saying anything...
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So now they're gonna call the older PCMCIA standard OLDCARD?
$DEITY bless $NATION
That's what an advancement in technology is. What else could it be?
>1) NEWCARD is simply specs for a new version of PCMCIA that allows for two NEWCARDs in the place of one PCMCIA. This allows notebook manufactures to keep their dies the same and just swap out the card bay. If they get cute, they might even be able to make a hybrid version that takes either 1 old or 2 new cards--depends on connector pinouts).
Look, it's based on an entirely different bus, and it's a different (albeit similar) form factor. Notebook manufacturer's keeping the same dies?? What dies would those be? The ones that can also turn out PCI, PCI Express, and ISA cards? What about Vesa Local Bus?
>2) Since they will be restricted in connector pin space, they're using a USB2.0 serial bus for communication rather than PCMCIAs parallel bus/bizarre IDE disk protocol. Fewer pins, better reliability and speed.
You said it yourself. Newer protocol, better reliability and speed. Nothing further needed.
>3) This is nothing more than a packaging standard. PCMCIA is just worried about impingement from Compact Flash cards for network/serial/bluetooth/everything else. Note the emphasis on "mobile" computing. Subtext: don't buy Flash, we're better.
Where else do YOU use PCMCIA? I find it quite useful in my laptop. For mobile computing. As for the argument against compact flash, for every compact flash device I've EVER seen (with the sole exception of pure storage), I've been able to find a PCMCIA card at a much lower price. What would you prefer laptops to use? How about ISA, since it's only drawback is that it is an older bus that isn't as fast?
4) (Personal opinion). Unclear to me why they'd trumpet any sort of connection to USB, given the incredibly bad compatibility story it has.
You said it yourself, once again. Personal opinion. I have yet to ever see personally, or in fact hear of anyone (with this one exception) who complains about how incompatible USB is. Boy I sure miss my old serial mouse, parallel printer and SCSI scanner. Those sure were the good old days.
To sum it up, do some research on the technology involved in the future, preferably before you spew random verbiage on the world at large.
Phrases that should set off mental alarm bells in a press release:
...utilizing amazing 3DFX technology...
1) Leveraging our unparalleled...
2) Through the power of synergy... (or worse yet, something made-up like "synergism").
3) Embraced and extended!
4) Not an evolution, but a revolution!
5)
Jeremy
Gigabit ethernet has a maximum transfer rate of 128MB/s. The PCI bus can handle up to 132MB/s. Read this: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/ibpci.html That completely aside, this does not use the PCI bus. It uses PCI-Express or USB 2.0 (decided by the particular NEWCARD in question). PCI-Express can do 10GB/s in either direction (the NEWCARD will be limited to 2.5GB/s) while USB 2.0 can handle up to 400megabit/s. There is also no need for gigabit NICs to need heatsinks. There is a HUGE market for these things in the portable computing world. In the future, please read the specs before commenting.
So, is it just me, or have they failed once again to put the ejection under software control so the pig can have it's driver's detached and the hardware powered down, FS's unmounted, etc., before the thing disappears out from under the OS?
Way to go... we're back at the same place PCMCIA was back in 1994, yet again. 8-(.
-- Terry
Hello?? Unix had this, like 30 years ago.
I do not get it. And article is not clear. We
already have USB 2.0 and firewire, why not
to make USB 2.0/firewire devices ?
Why do we need new format ?
Kubus
In unimanginative naming, that is. I thought "PC Card" was quite bad already. "Newcard" tells you nothing about the technology, is not catchy, and will be obsolete in a few months (when it is not "new" anymore). I hope they didn't pay anybody for the name.
6. Value added! 7. Provides one degree of speration. 8. ??? 9. Profit!
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Neople Ean't Wemorize Computer Andustry Rcronyms Dummy!
What would Jesus do... for a Klondike bar?
;)
Why, I suspect that he'd make it not melt, and not be too cold to bite down on even with sentiive teeth.
Or more likekly, just pay for it.
I wonder if the people who write press-releases are ever embarrassed by what they do.
;)
No, I'm not. Of course, the PR I write is all just swiping the nominee's submission anyway, so it's almost a stretch to call it "writing."
Basically they want a notebook to come with 10 USB ports as opposed to 2 USB ports, some with a standard-sized bay for cards to stay in...
What INNOVATIVE technology...basically USB devices with a standardized form factor. Well, it will be an ergonomic improvement at least.
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
I mean, a Pulse Code Modulated Central Intelligence Agency would just be one step futher toward a police state then is acceptable by anyone.
KFG
Anybody more than me remember the ultimate hacking cartridge for the C64? "Final Cartridge III"?
:-)
I love names like that
The New Church (Nieuwe Kerk) in Amsterdam springs to mind. It was completed around 1350...
Have you ever seen a minidisk? They're encased in a hard shell, much like floppies; no worries about scratching there.
Since we're talking about ideal sizes, I would actually prefer minidisk-sized devices over floppy-sized devices. To me, minidisks are the perfect size for handling. Small enough to put several of them even in the smallest pocket, and big enough that you don't lose them like you do quarters.
-- If no truths are spoken then no lies can hide --
I agree.
I also think Minidisks would be the perfect replacement for floppy disks, and I don't really understand why it hasn't been pushed.
People seem to be touting USB key-fobs as floppy replacements, but an additional factor that the floppy has to all those you've mentioned, right size, protective shell, etc. is that they're cheap.
I can slip one in an envelope and send it to a friend. I can give it away with relatively little cost to myself. Not true of USB Key-Fobs.
MiniDisks would seem the perfect replacement for floppies, I'd have thought.
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
I have read through every post and I reckon perhaps ten people have understood what this is. It allows for devices with a single nice form factor using either a slow (USB 2.0) or fast (PCI-E) interface. Looking at what has already been achieved with things like HandyDrive, I am really excited at the idea of what we might see in 2005 (how's about a 10GB card, 60% of a current PC-Card with >100MB/sec transfer speeds -- not unrealistic).
replaced by the new-newcard.
Did you have to blow on your Pentium II or early Celeron back when they were in cartridge packaging? No. I typically don't have to blow on Nintendo Game Paks either because I just take a cotton swab, dip one end into running alcohol, run it over both sides of the edge connector, and then use the other end of the swab to dry the connector. That's the essence of what the official Nintendo cleaning kits do.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Unilever, when you only need one lever.