50th Anniversary of DNA's Discovery
nxg125 writes "The New York Times has a section on the 50th anniversary of Watson & Crick's discovery of DNA. Lots of good articles about the discovery, Watson & Crick themselves, and where this information will take us from here."
50 years since the discovery of its structure.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I remember hearing a wonderful interview with Watson a few years ago - he was saying that if Cambridge had been more co-ed at the time (there were only three Womens' olleges, everywhere else was male) he'd have been too busy trying to get a girlfriend to spend all that time elucidating the structure of DNA.
How come it's always only Watson and Crick - why dont people remember Maurice Wilkins (who shared the nobel prize with them) and Rosalind Franklin (who's pathbreaking Xray work led to the double helix)
Well, this's been a long long time. There was that whole revolution in cell physiology in the 70s. Now we're on the computational part.
The human genome is read, but still we need to figure out: given a sequence of letters (out of the four), what protein (3-D structure, function, reactive parts etc) is associated with it? How is it cut into introns and exons? What sequence of letters can act as regulators? (without such answers I find the human genome project pretty useless)
Still, a Nobel well awarded to Watson and Crick, I'd say.
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She was the X-Ray crystallographer, not the co-discoverer. She dismissed the critical DNA type B X-Ray that she took as being unimportant. Unfortunately, nobody ever told her of the critical role her image played. Nevertheless, she was NOT a co-discoverer.
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Man, that just blows my mind, only 50 years of DNA. So what did they use before DNA? My grandma is older than 50... I wonder what she's made out of!
Maybe thats where that "Sugar and spice and everything nice" thing came from?
chauvinist pig "colleagues"
Now, while I am not goin to say for certain it was or was not a sexist act to use her work and not give her credit, the link you point to does not really indicate more than simply despicable inter-academic rivalries-- I think they would have screwed over a guy in much the same way.
Remember, just because it happens to a woman doesn't mean the motive is at all sexist, much like if it happens to a black its racist or if it happens to a white guy it's justice.
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Actually, his book "The Double Helix" has some fairly amusing accounts of his thoughts of Rosalind Franklin--whose X-ray crystallographic pictures determined that DNA was double helical in nature.
Rosalind Franklin performed some important work that was ultimately built upon by Crick, Watson and Wilkins. Given more time she'd probably have reached the same conclusions, but the others got there first.
In science, the people who make the final discovery get more credit than the people who did the work that made this discovery possible. Chauvinism has nothing to do with it.
(On the other hand, Watson is one of the less pleasant people that I've had the poor fortune to meet)
According to this review of her biography she was the woman who produced the x-ray data that most strongly supported the DNA structure but was not properly acknowledged for her contributions.
That reveiw further goes on to say that... According to Watson's best-selling 1968 account of the great race, The Double Helix, Franklin was not even a contender, much less a major contributor. He painted her as a mere assistant to Wilkins who "had to go or be put in her place" because she had the audacity to think she might be able to work on DNA on her own. Worse yet, she "did not emphasize her feminine qualities," lamented Watson, who refers to her only as "Rosy." "The thought could not be avoided," he concluded, "that the best home for a feminist was in another person's lab."
Sounds like Watson was *quite* the ladies man =)
Personally, I think everyone should join folding@home
http://folding.stanford.edu
now this is a distributed project that's producing results.
DNA is useful, and was an excellent discovery, but it's kinda like discovering the motherboard, and not understanding how any of the information is transmitted. Folding at home allows anyone with spare computer cycles to help out and understand how the proteins fold to their lowest/near lowest energy state and how they interact in the body.
Already some medical advances have been made, but there's still a long way to go.
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Nature (where the Watson and Crick paper was published) is running something on this:
http://www.nature.com/nature/dna50/
The page has links to all the original 1953 articles.
from http://www.strangemusic.com/genome_press.htm
In commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the discovery of DNA and the double helix, sTRANGEmUSIC presents the world premiere of GENOME: The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Movements for Music & Video. Composed and directed by Patrick Grant, it is based on the book by award winning science author Matt Ridley. The work will be given two performances on February 27 and 28 (the latter date being the actual anniversary of the discovery) at 8:00 PM on each night at the ANNINA NOSEI GALLERY located at 530 West 22nd Street, New York City (10th & 11th Aves.) on the 2nd floor.
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Didn't Pauling postulate a triple helix? IIRC, Watson and Crick found out about his soon-to-be-published paper and set about to prove or disprove his model. The built it and something didn't seem right but they couldn't put their finger on it. Finally, they realized that it was neutral. Chemical genius Linus Pauling forgot to make his DNA model an acid!
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Watson and Crick discovered the double helical structure of DNA; this reveals the method of genetic replication.
The genetic code, which is used to convert genetic information into actual proteins which do the physical work of life, was not discovered until quite a few years later. Crick made a number of important contributions to the discovery of the genetic code, but he isn't credited with it.
Here's a writeup on the history of efforts to decipher the genetic code.
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
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I know a med school student who very recently studied the discovery of DNA structure in great detail. When this student described the story to me it seemed less like Watson&Crick and Rosalind Franklin were equal contributors to the current perception of DNA structure, and more that they pretty much stole all of her work.
Supposedly the only reason this misconception has never been officially corrected was because the Nobel Prize cannot be awarded posthumously.
A while back (~1987) the bbc produced a drama-documentary called "Life Story: a double helix", about the discovery of DNA (starring Tim Piggot-Smith & Jeff Goldblum).
If you get the opportunity (it has been shown a number of times on US and UK TV), it is worth seeing as a very fair-minded and interesting history of the discovery. Unfortunately, I don't believe it is available on video, unless anyone knows different.
nice that DNA was discovered while stareing at Xrays now software does a good job
info: sanger center Cambridge was one of the centers that they helped sequence human DNA
why ? Because of the ability to patent squences of DNA
(that drug companies get rich off) they had to do it before evil companies did like Celera Genomics who used a more inactuate method (shotgun) but evily patented it
welcome trust is a huge Charity that funds research in this area
ptenting DNA is silly these are naturally occuring things (squences) they where not created just discovered its all very silly
Cuba and alot of africa are starting not to recognise these patents as they would like to build the drugs that help AIDS and HIV
its sad that AIDS and HIV has to come along just to show the world that patents are stupid on DNA
anyway
here is lots of software related to DNA
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John Jones
I'll be asking my local bartender to "Make mine a double Felix".
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The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
The original Watson/Crick paper specifically thanks Dr. R. E. Franklin. What more would you have them do? Franklin reportedly felt no slight, and remained friendly and corresponded with Watson and Crick through her remaining years. And yes, had she been alive, she would have been given the Nobel along with them, but the awards are not given posthumously.
Given the number of gay men at Cambridge and the number who had been to British public (=private) schools and did not know the connection between women and the equipment below the waist, anybody heterosexual would have to be totally socially unacceptable or alternatively single by choice.
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Nature has a whole section on the 50th Anniversary: http://www.nature.com/nature/dna50/index.html Also, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (which is run by Watson) is holding a meeting starting Wednesday night to celebrate the anniversary. The whole thing is supposed to be streamed live over the web for free. Not sure of the exact link for this, but the general site is: http://www.cshl.org/ And their 50th Anniversary site is: http://www.dna50.org/main.htm
... that /. now has on the same page a report of the 50 year anniversary of the discovery of DNA and another report of
the construction of a super-computer from DNA.
50 years from discovery to super-computer technology. Can you say "accelerating returns"? Can ya? Sure you can!
I like this part (from NYT- my school, Rice University, gives us the NYT at breakfast every morning!)...
Dr. Crick published an article on the nature of consciousness just this month.
Dude, what a beast this guy is! Still going! Has anybody found this article new article of his? It would be neat to read...
So a drug company come along and patent a sequence of DNA. "We own this, " they say. "It's ours."
Does this not imply that they accept responsibility for any disease causing properties of the sequence?
It would be sweet if those same companies that patented interesting sequences of cancer causing genes, so that they could exclude the competition, were then liable to anyone sick because they possesed that particular mutation.
Just dreaming...
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Fifty years after the structure is discovered, we're making plans to play Doom 3 on it.
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Watson recounts the following story. One night dr. Crick was going to a party with his wife. He had hoped some nice female exchange students would be there, but it turned out only Cambridge dons with their wifes turned up. Bored out of his skull he sat down and thought about the things he was working on and got a luminous idea. As Watson sais: This was one time in history, where an absense of women was a benifit to the advancement of science.
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When I was living close to Independence Hall in Philly, I had the pleasure of seeing Watson and Crick receive the Liberty Medal on July 4th. Watson actually showed and Crick had a speech on tape.
The only thing worse than the oppressive heat, was the abortion protestors who surrounded the perimeter of award ceremony with their stupid yelling. I had never seen protests like this at another liberty award. The abortion protestors and their wall-sized dead fetus posters were nowhere to be found when Colin Powell got his medal. As if the discovery of the structure of DNA was somehow responsible for abortion.
Watson made a great speech that touched on their discovery, politics in a time of war, God and science, happiness and endorphins. Reads even better in 2003 than it did in 2000.
Crick and Watson (can't let the Americans get first bill on everything).
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Start there The NCBI site also has a FTP repository, where you can download the raw files. And here you can get a nice open software suite to work on it.
If you're in London you can see the original structural model of DNA (retort clamps and all), models of several other significant molecules, some early computers, and the Apollo 10 command module (!) all in one gallery at the Science Museum:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
DNA structure
Why was I marked as a Troll and as Flamebait? Doesn't anyone have a clue what happened in the past? Do the research yourself if you don't believe me. Watson and Crick did not discover the helical structure of DNA, Rosalind Franklin did. Is Slashdot full of people who either have a HS education only and/or have never learned about past scientific achievements and who actually makes the discoveries as opposed to who actually gets the credit? The facts about the history of who discovered DNA stand, whether I am marked as a troll or flamebait or not.
Go to http://www.accessexcellence.org/AB/BC/Rosalind_Fr
Quote "After Randall presented Franklin's data and her unpublished conclusions at a routine seminar, her work was provided - without Randall's knowledge - to her competitors at Cambridge University, Watson and Crick. The scientists used her data and that of other scientists to build their ultimately correct and detailed description of DNA's structure in 1953...it is a tremendous shame that Franklin did not receive due credit for her essential role in this discovery, either during her lifetime or after her untimely death at age 37 due to cancer."
There were three back to back papers published in Nature (1953, No. 4356 pages 737-741): "Molecular Structure of Nucleic Acids: A structure for Deoxyribose Nucleic Acids" by J. D. Watson and F. H. C. Crick, "Molecular Structure of Deoxypentose Nucleic Acids" by M.H.F Wilkins, A.R. Stokes and H.R. Wilson, and lastly "Molecular Configuration in Sodium Thymonucleate" by Rosalind Franklin. Also available on Nature's website for free, as someone else has already linked in. At least Watson and Crick did put Rosalind Franklin (and Maurice Wilkins) in their acknowledgements, but then that was probably the most they could get away with and even then in their article they poo-poo the fibre diffraction patterns obtained by Franklin (and others) despite the wealth of information that was obtained. In her article she independently states "The structure is probably helical. The phosphate groups lie on the outside of the structural unit, on a helix of diameter about 20 angstroms. The structural unit probably consists of two co-axial molecules which are not equally spaced along the fibere axis..." Her view on DNA structure is based on data she collected. Watson and Crick's structure is largely based on the same data (which they obtained without her permission, ie they stole it) and they come to similar conclusions.
Rosalind Franklin was responsible for the X-Ray Crystallography. Her work was under attributed and some say plagiarised by Watson and Crick. She certainly did not get the credit for her work, and some beleive she should have shared in the nobel prize. To be fair, her boss/supervisor was implicit in this, and not just Watson/Crick, although Watson should not have bad-mouthed her the way he did.
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