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Safe and Free from Patriot II

Posted by michael on from the jackboot dept.

JJ22 writes "The ALCU has a press release about a full page ad they have running in the New York Times. See the ad here. It gives a list of some of the freedoms which were taken away under the Patriot Act, and lists more which Ashcroft is pushing for under Patriot II. Obviously, you should only be concerned about losing your liberties if you're a terrorist (or similar dissident)."

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  1. Mirror of AD by jdclucidly · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mirror of the AD in PDF is here (patriot2_ad.pdf).

  2. Re:The harder you push by JJ22 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Otter - Thanks for the insight. Really, there isn't much to the article. Someone in the office pointed out to me the ad from the print copy of the NY Times, and I thought it was great that something that I felt fairly strongly about was getting some press. I was actually disappointed in the other link on the ACLU site (the Safe and Free PDF) as it was more of an ACLU promotional piece than a statement about what needs to be done or even informational about the Patriot Act.

    And yes, I was kind of excited to see something I had submitted (after 12 previous tries) actually get accepted.

    Sorry - no more humor, no more submissions of puff pieces. But rather than advocacy, this was about publicity - which the issue is in dire need of.

  3. Re:Umm... I'm confused by MarvinMouse · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, here's some quick tips for the americans who want to go to canada to "escape this tomfoolery". If you are a Canadian and know more, feel free to add/modify this list:

    if you want to take
    Mathematics or Computer Science:
    University of Waterloo

    Biology:
    University of Alberta
    McGill University

    Astronomy, Astrophysics:
    University of Calgary

    Engineering:
    University of Toronto

    Music:
    York University
    University of BC

    Fine Arts:
    University of BC

    Law, Political Science, Etc:
    Carleton University
    McGill University
    University de Quebec

    French:
    Laval University

    --
    ~ kjrose
  4. Re:Umm... I'm confused by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Informative
    > Suppose they remove your US citizenship. How do you get a lawyer to represent you? Can you even be represented in a US court? Do they purge your social security number/tax ID? If so, what happens to your bank accounts and property?

    *blink*

    Wow, you mean non-US-citizens in the US can't be represented in US courts of law? That is, US courts have no jurisdiction over them? Non-US-citizens in the US have no SSNs nor tax IDs, and are therefore not subject to US taxation?

    Wow, that sounds like more fun than diplomatic immunity! What country treats non-citizens this way, and where can I sign up? :-)

    Seriously - take a look at the law before you spout. Noncitizens can be represented in court by lawyers, just as citizens can be. Noncitizens have SSNs and pay taxes, just like citizens do. Noncitizens can open bank accounts and hold property, just like citizens do.

    As to how you get citizenship back, well, that would have been up to INS, which has since been reorganized under HomeSec. So no, if you renounce your citizenship (or have it renounced for you), the bad news is that you won't be able to get it back for at least 8-10 years...

    ...but the good news is that's probably twice as fast as it takes INS to grant citizenship to anyone :-)

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