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Funding Approved for Pluto/Kuiper Probe

azpenguin writes "While we discuss the acheivements of the now-silent Pioneer 10, Congress has apporved funding for the "New Horizons" mission to send a probe to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt. Space.com has the story here. NASA had actually fought the idea, but Congress approved the money anyway. Wonder if in 12 years (when the probe is supposed to reach Pluto) the public will be as fascinated with the pictures coming back as much as with the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft." In related news, dalewj writes "Seems the team at JPL will discontinue operations on the Galileo Space probe to Jupiter after extended the mission three times. Galileo has been in space since 1989 and has some amazing findings and pictures available on the JPL website. Truly NASA and JPL's best effort to date."

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  1. Or... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wonder if in 12 years (when the probe is supposed to reach Pluto) the public will be as fascinated with the pictures coming back as much as with the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft."

    Then again, the public might already be bored with the pics from the probe sent to Pluto in 10 years, with a vastly superior propulsion system which gets it there in one year ;)

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  2. Look out for Greenpeace and their ilk... by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the problems haven't even started yet for this mission.

    Pretty much anything going to the outer system must have a radiothermoisotopic battery aboard, which powers the craft by using the warmth of decaying radioactive isotopes. It's too dark for solar cells out there.
    And to get out there, probes must use slingshot trajectories around inner system planets, usually including Earth. It is conceivable, if highly improbable, that a navigation error (insert unit conversion joke) would cause the probe to impact Earth instead of passing it by.

    In sum, be prepared for a repeat of the Cassini craze.

    1. Re:Look out for Greenpeace and their ilk... by g4dget · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At issue is not whether RTGs can be made safe in principle--they can. But after the spectacular failures of NASA over the last couple of decades, as well as getting more insight into the kinds of stupid safety and engineering decisions NASA and their contractors seem to be making, I am not convinced that NASA can put together a reasonably safe RTG. A scenario where the probe blows up some time during launch and a poorly designed RTG just vaporizes seems quite possible given NASA's other failures. I hope NASA's designs will be very carefully reviewed and audited by outsiders because this is a matter that affects everybody.

    2. Re:Look out for Greenpeace and their ilk... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > Unfortunately, due to the Columbia disaster, they will have even more ammunition. Obviously, Columbia and the Pluto-Rocket (Plutocket ;-)) wouldn't have the same types of probabilities of hitting a populated area, but that doesn't matter to the general public.

      RANT

      FUCK Greenpeace.

      During the 50s and 60s - the era of atmospheric nuclear testing - we dumped 3300 KILOGRAMS of plutonium.

      And didn't just disperse this 3300 kilos of Pu by means of Skylabbing or Columbi-izing a few hundred space probes' worth of nicely-encapsulated RTGs, we dispersed it all by vaporizing it with giant-azz atomic bombs.

      If there were any risk to public health posed by the (unlikely) re-entry of a failed space probe and the (even more unlikely) disintegration of a few pounds of Pu in an RTG on re-entry, we'd already be dead, hundreds of times over, because we've already had the worst-case scenario played out, hundreds of times over.

      > but that doesn't matter to the general public.

      Yeah, you're right, "that doesn't matter to the general public". Scientific illiteracy among the general public is the subject for another rant, another day.

      While I think the Shuttle's a waste of time and money, I lament the end of manned space exploration, because when I was growing up in public school, I could at least dream of a day when I could board a rocketship and get away from these morons, forever.

      End rant.

  3. This is what NASA should be about by eclectro · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Going places where we have not been before. It makes more sense (and is more cost effective) than man marking time in the space station.

    The have to do this mission soon while Pluto is in the "warm" part of of its' orbit.

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  4. Re:Did I Read That Right by hdparm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    NASA had argued it was not time to go to the distant, tiny world, but members of the planet science community felt it is important to go soon, while Pluto is favorably positioned and before it enters an even deeper freeze in its long, elongated orbit.

    That's from the article. No mentioning on NASA's web site yet.

    In the light of recent Shuttle disaster, NASA is perhaps more keen on getting money to improve safety on Shuttle missions. Just guessing...

  5. Sounds political to me by vandan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What do politicians care about exploring Pluto?
    This is just another superiority assertion by the US government. The fact that NASA was against the mission shows how much the government cares about the opinions of those who will be actually performing the mission.
    WTF are we going to find on Pluto? How about that moon that may have a liquid ocean beneath it's surface? (can't remember it's name) It's closer, it will cost lest and happen faster. There's far more potential of finding something interesting.

  6. Re:Budgets... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now you've done it. Never say that hundreds of millions of dollars is not very much money. Regardless of the context, you'll start a flame war.

    But $504 Million dollars is a lot of money! I could brush everyone's teeth in America with that money! Twice!

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  7. Re:12 years? by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I'd rather see more money spent on human spaceflight, such as the necessary refitting/redesigning of the shuttles. Probes are great, but Pluto just isn't that exciting to me.

    You need to distinguish between your objectives. Human spaceflight serves no immediate purpose. It is a long-term investment for the day where we have the resources and technology to travel to other stars and colonize the galaxy. But in the here and now, it's entertainment: money spent with no productive use. (And better spent, if I may add this, than on automobile races, or presidential campaigns, or certain wars, or any other form of TV entertainment).

    The Pluto probe, on the other hand, is science, pure and simple. It's not meant to be exciting, except for scientifically minded people. I won't go on about the reasons for science...

  8. Re:This is good news by AlecC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with you. While I want, and will support if I can, manned space flight, I think that the unmanned deep space probes are a second strand which actully delivers more value for money. We need to keep that second strand alive. And $300m expected total cost of the mission ($504m cap) is tiny compared to the spending on Shuttle/ISS.

    Apart from anything else, the thinking about designes that *have* to work for 12 years and that you *can't* fix is, IMO, most healthy for NASA. Of course the jury is still out on Columbia, but if it turns out to be tile damage, that shuttle was doomed from liftoff: they had no way of fixing damaged tiles in orbit. NASA has got into the way of thinking that any componen only has to last one flight (Shuttle) or till the next resupply mission (ISS). The rest of the world doesn't work like that: woule you accept a car that needed new tires, an engine overhaul, and a massive safety check after each tankfull of fuel? The rest of the world works either on built to last the lifetime of the object, or at leas a long working life.

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  9. Re:And Project Prometheus... by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like Bush wants to be remembered for something more than just Iraq.

    We've forgotten about Afghanistan already?

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  10. RTGs by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not to mention that we've already had an RTG hit the atmosphere at 25,000 mph when the Apollo 13 LEM re-entered, resulting in millions of deaths and global radioactive contamination. Oh sorry, I forgot, it didn't, did it?

  11. Very exciting Re:12 years? by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pluto and other Kuiper belt objects are made out of the stuff that the entire Solar System was formed of. Personally, I find the 'archaeology' of our home star system to be quite interesting, and this could indeed turn up some exciting results.

    If we have learned anything from past probes, it's that we'll always learn something we never expected. That prospect is not exciting?

    The eternal quest for knowledge and to understand our history is one of the things that makes us what we are.

  12. Re:Why oh why? Isnt the Space Station more importa by DemiKnute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That aside, I hate space exploration. I want our problems solved first.

    Yeah, because nothing useful
    has ever come
    from space research. Jesus man, science for the sake of science is what got our civilization to the advanced state is in today. You don't know the impact space technology has had on your and my life.

    Until we develop the tech to do it right, Blow it off.

    Yeah, Nasa oughta just sit on their asses until one day the one true idea strikes them and they figure out how to do it right. This is how they figure out how to do it.

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  13. Why would NASA fight this? by slugfro · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I understand NASA was fighting the concept because they felt the money would be better spent on shuttle studies and Mars activity. Not that they did not want the money, they just did not want to earmark it onto a mission to Pluto.
    Good point and I would like to expand a little more. Right now NASA is very concerned with public image. If the public and government views NASA as beneficial then funding will continue to come. Likewise, if NASA is seen as wasting money then future budgets may get cut.

    That being said, NASA would much rather spend this money on something that will show direct results quickly. The Pluto mission will not have any results until 2015 when the probe finally reaches the planet. I'm sure that scientifically NASA doesn't mind going forward with a Pluto mission but from a budget standpoint they would rather have used the money for something else.
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