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ATM Iris Recognition Coming Soon
Anonymous Cow writes "In Australia, iris technology is already being used by Qantas Airlines, Sydney Airport, foreign embassies, some banks and TAFE colleges, the Australian Protective Services, the Defence Department and the Police Integrity Commission. It is predicted that within five years every ATM in Australia will have iris recognition technology."
But who keeps the database of the eyes?
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Oh great, now when someone wants to rob me they dont just stick a pistol in my back they rip my eye out like Wesley Snipes did.
Excuse me sir, can EYE talk to you???
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I already have a problem with people who don't know how to operate the ATM as it is, now I have to wait even longer as they try to figure out how to hold their head just right for the machine to make a good reading. This will frustrate customers rather than unhinder them.
f we're going to live in a database society at least I want some assurance that my identity is proven with more than a plastic card and a four digit password.
I have a father who is blind. His 'eyes' are made of glass and removeable.
How exactly is this system supposed to detect him?
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That there is a database somewhere that matches their eyeballs with their personal information. Sorry, but I'd rather not have another database with my info in it.
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If I use my card and get my pin number wrong three times the ATM shreds my card.
If my eyes are wrong will the ATM shred my eyes with a laser. What if some one steals my eyes in a "Demolition Man - Simon Phoenix" stylee and robs my bank account. That could make for a messy robbery.
I tired and talking crap...nuff said.
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Does anyone who already worked with this system know how it deals with color contact lenses ? I assume it doesn't.
And is there any problem with regular contact lenses ?
Though I'm all behind this (and the additional technologies it'll bring), this is more than just protecting clients - it's protecting the bank.
Take a look at the Citibank issue. Having advanced security technology like this is a great way to protect your customers - which in turn protects your reputation and protects you from lawsuits.
I also wonder if this will raise the bar for other institutions.
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BEGINING to use them does not mean that EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL contain it immediately. It could mean that just every time a new machine is created, it will contain this functionality.
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Its hard to believe that even after books like 1986 and A Brave New World, people accept this kind of control.
Its because people accept this kind of control, and think its ok that we will face BigDaddydom in the future.
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E.g. Better educate people better, stimulate production to increase jobs, give away free tecnical education for the poor, than to build more jails, put more cops on the streets, etc.
And let's say I get scanned at an ATM or bank or airport - wherever! And then let's say that I decide I want to get Lasik surgery to "improve" my vision.
How will the Lasik surgery effect my retina scans? Is the ATM going to think, I am another person?
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While in College at Purdue my local bank used finger print recognition on some of their ATMs. I always found this convenient, as I didn't have to carry a card with me. Just stick your finger on the sensor and you have access to your bank account. The only thing that worried me about that was the fact that my fingerprints were then on file. And if I decided to become a criminal they could track my prints. This is why I feel Iris based recognition is so necessary. Who care if a bank knows what your eye looks like? Your certainly not going to leave a trace of that on any ransom notes you write.
I believe that the pattern scanned is the pattern of blood vessels in the eyes, which is more random than genetically determined except possibly in cases where the eye is malformed.
Probably to maintain a reasonable sized database they would stick to right eye or left eye, and assume that the person knows which eye to scan.
I would suppose that they would have a backup ID system in place for people with eye injuries or fake eyes, or whatever other problems.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
I once inserted my ATM card and just after, the machine experienced a malfunction and kept my card (apparently for security reasons)... ...I'd hate to see when happens if the ATM malfunctioned as you were putting your eye to the device...
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Here is how criminals, the paranoid, and people who want to use their wife/boss/mother's account will do so.
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No doubt about it. I'd be a bit weary of sticking my eye up to some grungy, downtown ATM and "hoping for the best." I can already see the future of pranks, like catapulting acid into my retina. Ouch.
All I have to to is aquire one of Bill Gates' eyeballs and I'll be able to quit my job!
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How bout the blind, and or people with damaged/missing eyes? As it stands now, ATM's do have braille support.
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I'm just thinking of the cashier at the supermarket checkout counter, rolling items over and over the scanner until the machine reads the UPC.
I predict neck injuries!
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god knows, if that were to happen in our little town, no one would ever use that ATM again. FOREVER! Heck, folks here are just beginning to USE an ATM
LFS. Have you built your system today?
If you want to know more about who supplies this technology, go to http://www.iridiantech.com/
The site has some brief background on the technology and how it works.
If you want more technical information, go to http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/jgd1000/
Maybe I'm kicking a gift horse in the teeth here, but my wife loots my checking account on a fairly regular basis (Share and share alike when it's my wallet but not her purse.. I still haven't figured that out) I'd like to have the extra control on my card to lock out people that do have regular access to my wallet.
On the other hand, if I get thrown in jail or put in the hospital, she isn't going to be able to get to the funds to get me out.
A joint checking account is not a viable option unless I want to live in a cardbaord box.
Interesting quandry.
-beacher
With all the times you use your atm card, in all the different locations, how often do you find yourself calling up the bank and having to report fraud on your account because of someone stealing your card and pin number? If these things happened often ATMs would not have become such a necessary convenience. I know in the past 10 years when ATMs have really been readily available my account has never been compromised due to me losing my card and someone finding my pin, and I'd say that is the same for most people. Isn't that why most banks offer fraud protection anyways??
with iris recognition these two pieces of id are always on me.
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While it would seem that iris would be a great biometric secutity device for ATM machines, it turns out that there is absolutely no way to make it pay off. If you look up the statistics it turns out that the average ATM fraud in the US per ATM machine per year is something like $50. As a result, even a really cheap iris scanner becomes hard to justify putting in EVERY single ATM out there. I doubt the fraud cost is much higher in Australia....
This is not meant to knock iris biometrics. I think they are probably the only real sensible one out there. The false pos/neg of stuff like face recognition is truly a joke...
The primary manufacturer of iris scan devices is:
http://www.iridiantech.com
Dunno how many of you have this problem, but I find that many ATMs are far too low to use comfortably. I'm 6' 2" tall, which isn't too huge for where I live (the UK), but I still find that most ATMs require me to bend fairly low in order to read the screen. There's one near my house that needs me to bend over like I'm about to take it up the ass. Hopefully when this takes off round here, the scanner will be placed in a nice and easy-to-use position for everyone (ha!)
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So what about lazy parents that need money and have Junior go grab his car and take Dads ATM card to the Bank and get him some money from the machine, used to have to run that errand frequently for my parents. This new system while creating better secuirty is also going to cause quite the hazzel.
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FWIW --
Iris scanners check to make sure the pupil moves and the eye is made of liquid BEFORE doing other checks, so a screenshot isn't going to help.
They do a neat little radar-screen-like scan, transforming a circle into a 2D map. That 2D map is what's compared. I would make a stab and say it's difficult to reconstruct the iris from the map.
Iris scans (as of right now) have the lowest failure rate of any biometric. They're better than fingerprints because the iris is behind the cornea, so it's less likely to be damaged or changed than the fingers - which are always going places they probably shouldn't.
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Laser eye surgery scratches the cornea. Not the iris, which, although the colors may change during your life, or even during the day, the patter of light vs. dark remains constant.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that babies seem to have large eyes because they do. Their eyes are the same size as adults' eyes, just in their smaller cranium.
-Xoder
I read somewhere (and I think it's a great idea) that all good security should have three things: something you have (in this case, your ATM card), something you know (in this case, your password), and something you are. This iris recognition completes the triangle. With all three of those systems in place (you need a card, password, and you have to be the right person) it gets quite hard to get at someone's money unlawfully through an ATM. Assuming (and yes, this is a HUGE assumption) that the database is kept securely, then this is good news.
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Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I'll be damned if I submit to biometric identifiers to bank. It is afterall MY bank account that is insecure, not anyone elses, if I decide to remaim with using a so-called less secure PIN method. And only I to blame if someone steals it, which by the way has not happened once in all the years there has been a PIN number. I've been using ATM's since they were first introduced, and not once, have I had any security breach on my accont. Your crazy, if I'm going to let some corporation get their hands on my unique biometric identifiers which they will most likely sell to other companies. Before you know it, my biometric date will be on hundreds of databases outside of my control. My identity, both analog and digital is my own. Period.
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Does this mean I need to stick my eye up to a cup-thingy like at the optomatrist? ATM's get handled all the time, all day long. Seems like if not built properly, such a device could promote the spread of the common cold :(
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Iris biometric devices also require some blood pulsing to be detected as well (as do fingerprint devices) so you cannot use a fancy glass eye, or an amputated eyeball.
Can you back this up with anything? According to this article the iris is recognized by a single snapshot, not a "scan". How then could you determine if blood were flowing or not?
Every fingerprint ID device I've ever seen is comprised of a clear plate and a scanner. You could press a ham against it and it would take its picture.
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The serverlocker my servers are in is retina-scan protected. The device that does the trick requires precise alignment to get a good scan, and every other time I have to do it twice. If there are three people in front of me I can just sit down on the edge of my briefcase because at least one of them is going to have a problem. Most of the delay after getting successive good scans is in the scanning device looking up the eye in the database 30-50 seconds, then it reject you you align your head again, scan, and wait another 30-50 seconds.....
Ugh.