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LCD Displays That Fit In A 5.25" Drive Bay?

An anonymous reader asks: "Several years ago, I saw several manufacturers that sold LCD displays that slid out of the 5-1/4" bay, flipped down, and allowed you to have a minimal monitor that stored in the case. Since it slid out and flipped down, that meant it easily fit into 1U and 2U rack mounted hardware. Now that I'm about to get charged beacoup bucks for having a monitor at the CoLo where I have my servers, I'm looking for something like this again. (SSH doesn't help with hardware and BIOS settings.)" Read on for some details on what he's looking for -- you may be after the same thing (or better yet, have such screens to sell).

"Yes, I have tried Google, but no one seems to be making these anymore. There's scads of links to projects where people mount their own LCD display vertically in 3 unused bays in a normal PC case, but I need something that will hide in a normal bay (just like a CD-ROM drive), and there obviously aren't 3 unused bays vertically arranged in a 2U rackmount case.

Anyone know of a manufacturer? Got an old model that works that you want to sell? I might even throw one in my car since then I could hide the display when I'm not using it, and it'd give me a minimal monitor for that SBC-based portable server I've been meaning to build, and it might be good enough to play some games on in a mini-portable system, etc., not to mention the sheer cool-factor."

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  1. Something different by addaon · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't at all what you want, but may work better for your purpose.

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    1. Re:Something different by DonFinch · · Score: 4, Funny

      now if they had floppy drives you can remotely kick the disk out of...life would be sweet.

      (my biggest headache when I remotely reboot a server.)

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    2. Re:Something different by orangesquid · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can vouch for how much fun---errr, how useful Weasels can be. Watchdog, separate CPU with flashable reprogrammable system code, full BIOS access, intelligent serial passthrough, remote reboot! Depending on exactly why you need an LCD, a Weasel might be an alternative. There's a weasel in my server right now. I can see his little tail poking out of the rear case fan.

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    3. Re:Something different by TitaniumFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      Heh, this piece of equipment is pretty useful, thanks for the link. They've got a demo of their product in some 150Mhz machine running BSD that you can reboot. It took a while to connect, so I think curious /. readers have found their demo, too. ;) Somewhere in a closet you can hear:

      [reboot] [beep] ...
      [reboot] [beep] ...
      [reboot] [beep] ...

      TiFox

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    4. Re:Something different by toast0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ls120 drives can eject disks via software

      i don't know from experience if they'll let you eject from linux, but i can't imagine them not taking advantage of the eject commands in the atapi command set

    5. Re:Something different by kasperd · · Score: 3, Funny

      eject from linux

      I have a SparQ drive connected to a parallel port. (Had I known what piece of crap it was, I'd never have bought it.) The documentation says it cannot eject from software. Before I got my first Linux computer, I tested the drive on a friends Linux computer. He had not read the documentation, so he just used the eject command. To my surprise it actually worked.

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  2. Another alternative by crow · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen a 1U pull-out tray that has a LCD, keyboard, and mouse. I think they're expensive, and you'll have to pay for an extra 1U (if that's how they charge). Still, it may be cheaper than a monitor.

    A quick Google on: keyboard mouse lcd 1u
    revealed several such solutions. It looks like they cost on the order of $3000.

    With prices like that, you're probably better off bringing a monitor in with you when you need to use it.

    1. Re:Another alternative by addaon · · Score: 2, Informative

      On a similar note, I got just a pull-out monitor (1U, 15.1" LCD) on Ebay for $300. Still, you'll have to pay for the 1U of space.

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  3. Serial Over Lan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try Intel Server Motherboards, you can access the BIOS settings / powerup / powerdown your machine remotely with Serial Over Lan functionality

  4. Lousy Colo by stef0x77 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the Colo's I've hosted at have had monitors (along with keyboard/mouse) on wheels, which you pull it over to your rack and plug it in.

    I'm suprised your provider doesn't have something similar.

  5. Liquid Crystal Display Display? by Euphonious+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Surely everybody reading this realizes that LCD stands for "Liquid Crystal Display". So, an LCD Display would be a Liquid Crystal Display Display.

    There might be one in your ATM machine ( Automatic Teller Machine machine) which you can look at while you poke in your PIN number (Personal Identification Number number), which it will store momentarily in its RAM memory (Random Access Memory memory).

    1. Re:Liquid Crystal Display Display? by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually it is encrypted by hardware crypto processors before it is stored anywhere. Yes, my day job is at a bank.

      But it's not encrypted very securely. Yes, I read the Register :)

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    2. Re:Liquid Crystal Display Display? by sabNetwork · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're going to get picky, ever notice how Microsoft writes "Built on NT Technology"?

      NT stands for New Technology. Built on New Technology Technology.

    3. Re:Liquid Crystal Display Display? by ressu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ofcourse you do realize that NT did originally stand for N10 (pronounced N-Ten) the New Technology was the commercial name for the project

      Aaah, There is nothing like a little nitpicking in the morning...

    4. Re:Liquid Crystal Display Display? by vsync64 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "NIC Card" is acceptable, since "NIC" can also stand for "Network Interface Controller".

      I got in an argument with a non-techie over this once and lost, embarassingly.

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    5. Re:Liquid Crystal Display Display? by AlienFactor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Ofcourse you do realize that NT did originally stand for N10 (pronounced N-Ten) the New Technology was the commercial name for the project

      Of course, you do realize that NT is actually the two letters that follow MS?

  6. Re:two words... by eht · · Score: 2, Informative

    i'm just wondering if you even read to the point where he said "(SSH doesn't help with hardware and BIOS settings.)"

    guess what? serial console doesnt do diddly for BIOS setting either

  7. Dell has LCD/keyboard in 1U for $1400 by DanEsparza · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dell has a 1U monitor/keyboard solution (that folds out) for $1400: http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/products/model_svrac _2_svrac_monitor.htm Dan

    1. Re:Dell has LCD/keyboard in 1U for $1400 by dynoman7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      ive used several of these...the trackball in the kb sucks.

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  8. Here's what you're looking for by MrResistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    earthlcd.com

    They have kits with small LCDs and driver cards. There's a 6.3" monochrome with an ISA driver for $199 and a 7.8" color with a PCI controller for $299. Their outlines are 8.11" X 5.74", which should fit fine as a 5.25" bay is actually 5.875" wide. If you've got a few more bucks in your budget, or maybe don't have a free ISA or PCI slot, there's also an analog color 6.5" for $695 that's 7.04" X 4.99".

    You're going to have to rig up some sort of mounting bracket for it. I'd recomend looking up a small machine shop in the phone book to do the fab work. Usually small shops have pretty good machinists who will be able to give you some useful suggestions on the design of it, and I highly recomend taking advantage of their expertise if you want the bracket articulated in any way. Stay away from places that specialize in automotive machining, as they are generally considered to be the machining equivalent of an MCSE.

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  9. Re:Get some real hardware support by aderusha · · Score: 4, Informative

    i manage around a hundred remote compaq servers, and every single one of them has a remote insight board installed. it gives you remote key/mouse/video through any java enabled browser. it has it's own network interface and power supply, so it works even when the host system is powered off or completely broken. you wouldn't want to play quake through the thing, but slapping one of these in your boxes means you'll probably never have to physically touch that system again except for hardware replacements.

  10. Re:why not serial port console? by cowmix · · Score: 2, Informative

    A bunch of BIOSes support serial consoles now.. On full screen stuff, like text editors, the screen redrawing works kind of funky. It does work however.

  11. This is what you were looking for.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.logitec.co.jp/products/monitor/lcmt041a .html

  12. You need to simplify by supton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are going to spend money on an LCD display for a server that sits at a co-lo facility with noone looking at it 99.3% of the time? This is so 1999. I'm not trying to insult you, but question your understanding of the alternatives, which are likely to be more simple.

    got Unix? Serial console!!! On Linux, edit lilo.conf, and edit /etc/inittab, put your consoles on /dev/ttyS0 - it only makes sense!

    Windoze? A network-capable kvm is likely about the same price as an LCD display, and scales to multiple boxes. But even cheaper is VNC, which can be tunneled over pub key authenticated SSH for remote access.

    Co-lo facilities are likely to be charging 15-25 USD per rack unit per month, and a 15" CRT takes up 8 units, so you end up paying at least 120 USD a month to not see a monitor most of the time. What a waste. If you go the VNC or serial console route, even without an expensive Mainboard with remote access to the bios setup, etc, you can still get away with no monitor - and when you do need one, your colo provider should have a monitor on a cart you can use gratis (if not, screw them and go elsewhere - it is a competitive enough business that they can't screw you).

    The reason that the LCD in the drive bay thing has gone away is that it is too much of a niche item to survive in a commoditized economy where hardware has low margins (this is also known as reality). Welcome to 2003 - scale down your expectations.

  13. RTFP by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    Read the fine post - he said he needed this for the BIOS setup, not for main system settings, for which he is using SSH.

    Since you cannot (yet) SSH into your BIOS, nor use VNC to access the BIOS, you solution is trivially rejected by what is in the story.

    However, I do agree with you - just take a portable monitory in with you when you need it.

  14. Here's what you want.... by penguin_nipple · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rackit Technology
    What you're looking for is a KVM over IP technology. There are numerous solutions out there for remote administration of multiple servers. The link provided is one vendor, but alot of vendors exist.

  15. Look at your local high-end car audio store by Jahf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Alot of car audio stores sell dash-mounted DVD players that have a screen like what you are talking about. Often times the screen module is in a separate case from the radio.

    You might be able to rig a setup where you get one of the car screens and connect it to a video card that has Svideo or component video out.

    Not as high resolution as a VGA LCD (though who knows, maybe they have a VGA interface on some models, doubt it though), but you'll be using an alternate signal source, meaning your SVGA port will still be open, and it will look smooth with you press the button to deploy the screen ;) ...

    This brings up a segue into a feature I really wish laptop makers would provide. I travel alot and use my laptop as a terminal in a NOC sometimes. I would really like an SVGA -input- and PS2/USB dongle on my laptop so I could use the laptop monitor/keyboard/screen as a terminal for another computer. If this were a fairly common possibility, people like the article's author probably wouldn't need to resort to weird things like built-in screens.

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  16. it always amazes me.... by penguin_nipple · · Score: 3, Informative

    within the sheer numbers of Slashdot readers that so many people have so little experience. KVM over IP solutions will allow an administrator to have complete BIOS control over servers located at a NOC. Additionally these systems can be integrate into keypad lockable cases and power management systems for a very slick remote management system.

  17. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  18. Try this page by leighklotz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Try this page instead. It shows that it's 50,300 yen. Put a '1' in the box at the end of the line and press the oval red and yellow button to put it in your cart. Then press the next to last button at the bottom (bright yellow instead of orange) to place your order. Have fun filling out the address fields, though.

  19. Smaller monitor choice by stinkydog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bring in your monitor in a sunglass case. All you need is a NSTC out either native on your motherboard/video card or get an external box and stuff it in you extra bay. Add a roll up keyboard and you are in business.

    SD

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