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Convergence of P2P and Grid Predicted
tom_conte writes "From the proceedings of the 2nd International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems (IPTPS'03), "On Death, Taxes, and the Convergence of Peer-to-Peer and Grid Computing" compares the two current popular incarnations of distributed computing technology, Peer-to-Peer (P2P) and Grid Computing. It also predicts the convergence of the two technologies: "The complementary nature of the strengths and weaknesses of the two approaches suggests that the interests of the two communities are likely to grow closer over time." This paper is worth reading if you want to clear up the marketing cloud that surrounds these two technologies and sometimes makes them hard to distinguish."
Sounds like the P2P folks are getting a little antsy looking for any evidence that P2P isn't just a really good way to encourage copyright infringement.
Grid computing can survive just as well without P2P. I'm not so sure that it's the same in reverse.
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As my professor described it, is a system similar to a power grid. You can plug in anywhere, and use the resources (Disk, Memory, CPU) of the grid for computation. Your resources would be added to the "grid collective" as well.
It seems as though this system would inherently be P2P. It's good to know the P2P people are starting to realize that there is more the P2P than file sharing. As for the grid people, they knew their system could be called "Peer to Peer" all along.
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Wireless Grid Peer to Peer systems... With that many buzzwords, it can't miss.
Actually, Foster cites himself so much because he's The Big Guy in grid computing. He's been in it since the early days, gets a huge chunk of the research funding, and is involved with lots of projects (both in terms of developing grid technology and implementing it in scientific communities).
When you're ahead of the crowd, you don't have many peers to cite.
Oh, and his reputation is actually pretty sound, he doesn't really need to rely on inflated citation counts, he has plenty of research dollars coming in -- that should keep his institutions (Argonne and U of Chicago) happy.
In the future:
Computers will control our houses and your high definition television will be your main terminal
Someone will make a mobile phone that doesn't suck as a PDA (or a PDA that doesn't suck as mobile phone)
We'll all evolve more agile thumbs from "texting"
There will be One True programming language (not a troll)
Everyone will type on a Dvorak keyboard when not using a flawless voice interface that does what you mean and not what you say
We will bathe everyone in the electromagnetic glory of Wireless
As computers get faster and faster, and software gets more and more efficient, every user interaction will receive nearly instantaneous responses
VR is the next big thing
Build from a solid foundation and some of things will happen. Build from fragile abstractions and a sneeze will knock out the grid. The promise of technology is not the promise of earnings or market creation. How well does it help us live our lives.
Flush toilet, books == good
Pager, way-too-fast-food == bad
...Crawls back in cave...
Posting anon because I'm involved in a grid project and want to speak *my* mind instead of having to act as a responsible member of the team.
The grid has been trying to gear up from academia/research for so long, I can't even remember when I first heard of it.
About eight years.
In the aftermath of the dot com crash, companies are falling over themselves trying to snag onto the "next big thing".
Please enumerate these companies. I'd love to consider them as possible customers. Currently grid computing is mostly met with, well deserved, skeptisism.
Now we have two different worlds colliding, with people pushing 'em that have been ignoring each other all this time.
Grossly unfair. At least from the grid side we've long considered p2p and there are even working groups discussing this intersection in GGF.
They can't make it easy for the average person to install and use.
Bullocks on two counts.
1) *average people* don't and shouldn't use gridware yet.
2) The dominent gridware is trivial to install compared to the problems it solves. It's like saying that you want to take a crack a proving an ancient theorem but you don't want to have to learn any math. TS.
They (the Grid folks in particular) seem to be missing this, big time. Globus is NOT easy to install.
Again, wrong on two counts.
1) Globus is not the grid. Globus is *a* project developing gridware.
2) Globus is fucking trivial to install (and I'm not on their staff). Maybe not as easy to install as kazaa, but then gridware is targetted at people who want to do more with the internet than look at pictures of Gillian Anderson's pussy. That said, review point one. There are other grids available.
Secondly, the world doesn't need yet another Corba-like thing to make everything interoperate with everything else with MORE glue on top of it.
Now there's an almost complete lack of content. Not a single grid development house is going in this direction. There is a *broad* consensus that using open communications protocols (i.e. web services) is the way to go instead of making something proprietary.
KQML should have taught people this lesson back when that was all the rage in agent systems.
Right, because agent systems and grid are *so* similar.
Come on now, KQML was a language for doing REST (to a first approximation) a grid is a far more complex concept.
If you want two systems to talk to each other, couple 'em in whatever language you want and stick to it.
Again, a complete and utter lack of understanding what the grid is about. Your comment amounts to having a cabal of grid programmers bless a particular language and then demand that everyone write to it. Dumb. Not that there aren't language bigots in the grid community that would do that if they could, but dumb nonetheless.
man, I wish these people would just sit back and take notice of the other distributed systems out there that are out there and working and solving problems without foisting yet another distributed computing paradigm (oh hell, I can't believe I used that word...forgive me), on the world.
I wish luddites would do a bit of reading and educate themselves before assuming that everything they didn't come up with is nonesense. Especially luddites who have *no* idea the depth of the library at my company.
The grid solves problems that exist and aren't being solved in other ways except through enormous investment by each and every company that wants to solve them for themselves.
Another analogy. Your comment is akin to demanding that instead of adopting Windows (which is a hassle to install, run and keep secure) that they instead write their own operating system tuned to their own needs. Sillyness.
Hugs and kisses from the future.
This sounds like exactly what the giFT folks were trying to do. They had their client interoperating, but Brilliant released a new version of KaZaA that broke it, so they got fed up and created their own (very nice, IMO) network based off the FastTrack idea. The same thing will probably happen to the projectfasttrack folks; the KaZaA folks don't want *anyone* else using their network, so it will be a Microsoft-style arms race times ten.
:)
giFT/OpenFT tends to cater to the geek crowd right now since they don't release binaries, you have to understand CVS and keep up to date, and the best GUI is curses-based. That means you'll find more anime than Brittany Speers, but it's quick, reliable, and works great on Linux. (not affiliated, just a happy user