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Jupiter's "Mini-Me" Solar System Grows

An anonymous reader writes "University of Hawaii's robotic telescopes have discovered 8 new moons for Jupiter, thus bringing its mini solar system to 48 total. No one knows how Jupiter dissipates the energy of these likely asteroid captures, unless it once had a massively larger atmosphere. Indeed, its ion cloud today seems to spell doom for what Sir Arthur C. Clarke indicated, is another reason to avoid probing life on Europa. ('All these worlds are yours--except Europa. Attempt no landings there.'-- 2010: Odyssey Two). As an aside, one of those NASA sites seem technically to be doing text-to-speech in a very familiar-sounding, Stephen Hawkings version [MP3] of those articles."

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  1. Bad text to speech.... by BWJones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Geez, I checked out that text to speech link and was surprised the voice was not of any higher quality. Mac users at least, have had much better text to speech quality for years now going back to the mid 90's.

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    1. Re:Bad text to speech.... by missing000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thequalityisokbymebutthewordsallseemtoruntogether

  2. Time to move... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Jupiter is the largest planet in our Solar System it has influenced our neighborhood second only to the Sun.

    Damnit, that's it. Jupiter and it's "friends" are creating too much havoc in this neighborhood, driving prices down, playing their music too damned loud. The police won't help, the astronomers seem to like it. Bah.

    I'm moving.

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    1. Re:Time to move... by Peterus7 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Heh, pretty soon they'll get a telescope to monitor Jupiter 24/7...

      "Not so breaking news. Today, 14 more moons were discovered orbiting Jupiter. That makes the current count 4612. The astronomical community has asked people to start sending applications and $75 cash to name one of Jupiter's moons."

  3. Europa's not the only possibility by s20451 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Recent results from Galileo indicate that Callisto and Ganymede may also have vast oceans beneath their surfaces. So ruling out Europa doesn't mean that there is no life in the Jovian system.

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    1. Re:Europa's not the only possibility by Soft · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So ruling out Europa doesn't mean that there is no life in the Jovian system.

      Besides, I still can't see how the Europa torus could hamper life there. On the surface, yes, but that was pretty much already known. Life would be underwater, in an ocean tens of kilometers deep, the radiations won't penetrate that far. So don't rule out Europa.

    2. Re:Europa's not the only possibility by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Life would be underwater, in an ocean tens of kilometers deep, the radiations won't penetrate that far. So don't rule out Europa."

      Just wanted to bring up a point that's not considered very often: Life here on Earth exists in some VERY harsh environments. I don't think there's a natural area of Earth that's completely devoid of life. If you go underwater deep enough, you'll find life forms that exist without any light reaching them near some very hot thermal vents in the ocean floor.

      Frankly, I'd be surprised if an ocean bearing planet or moon didn't have life.

    3. Re:Europa's not the only possibility by RayBender · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This is a bit of a repeat story, so the response is worth repeating: high levels of radiation do not preclude life, and in any case the idea was that Europan life would be under kilometers of ocean.

      It's amazing how much radiation certain bacteria can survive, though..

      By the way, NASA is thinking about a new mission to the Galilean moons, called JIMO . Very exciting stuff - it's amazing how much more you can do with a nuclear propulsion stage.

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  4. What is a moon? by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Specifically, my question is:
    How close does an natural astronomical body have to orbit a planet for it to be a moon?
    I know there has been much debate about what a planet is (the Pluto debate, etc), but what exactly is a moon? Would it be possible for an object to travel into the Solar System, and then whip around Jupiter, and then reenter the Solar System, etc (without actually getting that close to the sun). If it did that, then would it be a Jupiter-moon?
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  5. Trip to Jupiter by rodney+dill · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well for 47 it really wasn't going to be worth the effort, but for 48 I think we better make the Trip. So Lets Go!


    "... but Capan, Capan, i can not Geet it oop, I got to have 30 minutes.. "

    (with apologies to Scotty)

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  6. 48??? by king_penguin_05 · · Score: 4, Funny

    48 is worthless!

    42 is the answer.

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  7. Speaking of Stephen Hawking by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 5, Funny

    He seems to have turned his attention from Astrophysics to producing gangsta rap

  8. Picture of Jupiter by rodney+dill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The astronomy picture of the day a few days ago had a nice moving picture of Jupiter with two moons. Where did the other 46 go?


    (feeble Karma saving attempt)

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  9. Re:Size? by mikerich · · Score: 4, Informative
    Essentially a satellite is just a body orbiting its the parent planet. So there is really no lower limit on size.

    At the moment it is just the resolution of our imaging techniques that limits what we call a satellite. There are bound to be hundreds, if not thousands of smaller bodies around Jupiter that we haven't spotted yet.

    Let's just hope that they fit future spacecraft with radar, or send a man up the main mast.

    Best wishes,
    Mike.

  10. Re:Synth Voice Sucks by man_ls · · Score: 3, Funny

    My Name is Dr. Sbaitso. I am here to help you.

    Say whatever is in your mind freely. Our conversation will be kept in strict confidance. Memory contents will be wiped after you leave.

    So, tell me about your problems.

  11. Re:Spell doom for the system by IAR80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We should look for life on Europa but I thing it is not the right moment. We lack technical capabilities for now. A probe looking for life on Europa should travel the distance between Earth and Jupiter, land on Europa, burn its way through a very thick layer of ice (maybe 10 - 20km, swim autonmously trough a dark ocean probing for life, find its way up to the surface and transmit data back to earth. I think this is out of our technicak capabilities for now. Maybe latter.

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  12. Mini solar system? by WankersRevenge · · Score: 3, Funny

    thus bringing its mini solar system to 48 total Considering our solar system is only 9 . . . doing you think Jupiter going overkill to compensenate in other areas which may be...um, lacking?

  13. Re:Spell doom for the system by mikerich · · Score: 3, Informative
    Agreed, that it looks impossible right now. We need an enormous velocity to get to Jupiter and then need to lose almost all of that to enter orbit around Europa. Any space-craft would be something like 90% fuel unless we use some radical technologies - which will need a lot of testing.

    Although a halfway step would be nice - a high resolution Europa orbiter would be very useful. Then we could see exactly what the whole surface looked like, map it with radar and so on. Perhaps we could map the heat flow through the surface from that projected Europan ocean, work out what trace materials form those dark streaks, perhaps it would even be able to remote sense organic compounds that have come to the surface.

    Still we can at least rule out a manned mission - the Jovian magnetosphere would cook any Frank Pooles and Dave Bowmans long before they got to Europa.

    Best wishes,
    Mike.

  14. Jupiter to moons: GET IN MY BELLY!!! by macshune · · Score: 3, Funny

    (REUTERS) JUPITER--"C'mere, I wanna eat ye! I'm bigger than you and I'm stronger than you, I'm higher on the food chain!" Jupiter announced today, shortly before it embarked on a moon-gobbling smorgasbord adventure.
    "By jove, I think he's mad," Europa said through a spokesperson today.
    The other 47 moons did not return our calls.

  15. Exactly ! by Evil+Pete · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is a radiation field going to penetrate kilometres of ice ... or even a few metres ? It can't. Timothy didn't even bother to read the original article which made NO mention of that conclusion .. he thought that up by himself.

    Europa still looks good. In fact it looks like the best place to me.

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  16. Re:It's not "Hawkings"... by Big+Mark · · Score: 3, Funny
    At Slashdot, it's all about quantity, not quality!
    That explains the dupes then!

    That's a point... is a triply posted story a tripe?

    -Mark
  17. That's no moon by StormyWeather · · Score: 3, Funny
  18. fact check BEFORE posting.... by barakn · · Score: 4, Informative
    its ion cloud today seems to spell doom for what Sir Arthur C. Clarke indicated, is another reason to avoid probing life on Europa

    ceejayoz writes "A newly discovered gas cloud around Jupiter, created by ion radiation hitting the surface of Europa, has cast doubt on possible life on the moon.

    The ion cloud is completely irrelevant to the chances of finding life deep in the oceans of Europa. The Earth itself is surrounded by belts of ionized radiation. Ions bombard the atmosphere hard enough for it to visibly glow near the magnetic poles. And yet life thrives in just about every Earth environment that isn't molten rock. And the original posted link about the Jovian ion torus never mentioned any hazards to Europan life.

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  19. Re:But what are their names? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jupiter's moons are all named (saith the official Internation Astronomers' Union rules) after paramours of Jupiter/Zeus. There are a few exceptions, named for the nurses of the young Jupiter.

    But even with Zeus's ... er... excesses, we're running out of names.

    (Saturn's moons are all titans, I believe, Neptune's are minor gods and goddess associated with, well, Neptune, and Uranus's are named for Shakespeare and Pope characters. Mostly sprites, I think.)

  20. Re:Spell doom for the system by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, but they're working on this technology using the work done at Lake Vostok as an example.

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  21. well crap... by frozencesium · · Score: 4, Funny

    why not take advantage of the "mini solar system" and just ignite jupiter and turn sol into a binary system?

    2 stars = more sunlight to grow crops, power solar vehicals, etc...

    ah crap...i've been watching too much stargate SG1...

    -frozen

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  22. Re: state-of-the-art TTS for the time... by ajedgar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it was State-of-the-art Text-to-speech at the time... Centigram Communications now SS8 Networks (91 E. Tasman San Jose surrounded by Cisco buildings ) started licensing the technology in 1993. It is based on a mathematical simulation of the vocal cords and voice tract and was very good in the day.

    Beside the actually voice quality the system also had very context sensitive parsing and could read addresses, titles, newspaper headaline, etc. properly.

    One of the major licensees was Lernout & Hauspie who sometime around 1997 bought the division from Centigram.

    Everyone knows it as the voice of Stephen Hawking. We also gave a courtesy system to Governor Pete Wilson back in 94/95 when he lost his voice while campaigning.

    Centigram is now long gone. It was bought by ADC Telecommunications at the height of the telco frenzy back in the summer of 2000 for $200M cash. ADC sold it to SS8 Networks a year later for ten cents on the dollar.

    Easy come, easy go. Technology marches on, soon to make all current forms of government obsolete... or die trying.

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