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AOL's Mystro TV vs Tivo?

admiral2001 writes "Here is is a NYTimes story about AOL-Time-Warner's plans for a TiVo-killing 'Mystro TV' (nytimes annoying free registration required). They plan to begin rolling this out sometime in the next two years. Their major features are the simple pause, rewind, and fast forward that all PVRs have. However, they've taken the obvious stance to "let[s] networks set the parameters, dictating which shows users can reschedule, and it also creates ways for networks to insert commercials." The article even mentions how they could get an advantage in pushing their product because "viewers could try out Mystro TV by pushing a button on their remote"."

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  1. TiVo killer? by YoJaUta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think not. The whole point of TiVo is that it lets users reschedule shows and skip commercials to their ***own*** liking.

    I don't think this will be a successful product anytime soon, unless AOL bundles the appliance with its 1e6 hours free cds.

    1. Re:TiVo killer? by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think not. The whole point of TiVo is that it lets users reschedule shows and skip commercials to their ***own*** liking.

      First of all, let me say I've been a tivo owner since 2000 and I will remain one until their service is destroyed by networks and us users with our pirate guide-info sites are hunted in the streets for sport.

      That said, after reading a dozen comments like this, I think people are missing the point. AOL is not trying to make a better consumer product. They are trying to create a network friendly version of Tivo (with far less consumer goodness as a side effect) that they can get the networks backing.

      If it's built into your digital cable box and all you have to do is press a button to activate it, people will buy it. If they aren't afraid that it will go belly up next year and lose it's service, people will buy it. If it costs $200 instead of $500 because the networks are subsidizing it with built in commercials, people will buy it. If it's easy to use and user friendly, people will buy it (Tivo IS easy to use and user friendly, but you won't get that impression from the general media).

      It is a sorry state of affairs when something made to server corperations may defeate the ultimate in TV addons, but how many people in the world still don't own Tivos who could afford them?

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  2. I Love Google by redink1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    nytimes annoying free registration not required here.

  3. Yeah, right. by PhxBlue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like DivX was supposed to be the DVD-killer, right? I'm as likely to buy this as I was to buy into DivX--which is to say, not happenin'.

    Industry seems to think it can lead consumers around by the nose, telling them, "We know what's best for you." Sometimes it succeeds; but when an obviously-good idea like Tivo beats drek like this to the punch, it's no contest.

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  4. WHy would anyone buy this? by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whats the point if i cant skip commercials? If the network decides what i can watch? I mean, hasnt the network already shown it at the wrong time, thats why im recording it!

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    1. Re:WHy would anyone buy this? by sweetooth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You forgot about the part where the network doesn't give a damn what you think or want. It's all about ad revenue.

  5. Missing the boat... by peterdaly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The whole appeal of Tivo is that the watcher can take back control of watching TV. That is what makes Tivo a "killer app."

    This reigns back in that control. That being the case, it is not the "killer app" TWC hopes it will be.

    -Pete

  6. It's the control stupid! by DrRobert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Control is everything in this market. If the networks can control what I watch (like they did pre-Tivo) then the device is of little use to me. Tivo is user hackable and I can choose when and what I record. This should work even on top of AOLs system through the "analog loophole". The trick is that TiVo has to have the business savy to let consumers know what they are missing by having networks control what they watch. Personally I don't see what the big deal is anyway with the commercials. The Tivo can't skip them, I get the point of all of them even though I fast-forward through them. I watch the last Michael Jordan commercial many times. The user must have control. The user must be taught that he must have control. Only then will the market drive the best product to success. These are the same problems Open Source faces.

  7. as long by odyrithm · · Score: 5, Funny

    as it dosnt say "welcome to AOL" every time its switched on fine.. otherwise shoot me, shoot me now.

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  8. Too Little Too Late by _Elite_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe that the cable companies have lost the real opportunity to gain total control over what we watch, and how we watch it. People will often go for subscription services, but if they have to watch the advertisments anyway (I suppose they can still mute them), then why go with this option. With stand alone devices like TiVo, the owner of the device (read:end user) is in total control of what they record, how long they can store it, when they can watch it, and when they can re-schedule a recording.

    The cable companies want to take that away from people, and it may have worked, if TiVo had not been so popular. I think the only VoD services that are going to fly will have to give the customer _Total_ control over what they want. I predict that this technology will be limited to VoD for pay-per-view movies, not regular television.

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  9. oh really? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personal video recorders like TiVo mock everything a television network is about. The devices let viewers thumb their noses at program schedules and, even worse, fast-forward past commercials. To many at the networks and studios, it is a cruel joke that could drive them out of business.

    I think the cruel joke is the horrible load of advertising I'm put through to watch generally tasteless, unorginal, mediocre programming. If the TV networks can't adapt to the new style of TV, then they deserve to go out of business.

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  10. Not a Tivo Killer by MojoRilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like Mystro TV is not a personal video recorder, it is an on-demand television system. Networks are probably loath to give up schedule driven TV, but AOL might be able to force this one through by scaring networks with fear of personal video recorders and commercial skipping.

    If you asked me what I loved most about my TiVO, I would say that it lets me watch what I want when I want to. And then second, I can skip commercials. Don't get me wrong, I hate commercials. But time shifting is much more important to me.

    The ability to play back shows whenever I want (freeing me from network scheduling) is a major advantage of the technology. It seems like this is what Myestro TV is trying to do.

    I can imagine that some shows will allow time shifting for a few days or a week, while others won't have restrictions. I think it could be more flexible than TiVO.

    The problem with TiVO is that you have to know what you want to watch before you want to watch it. And you can only record one thing at a time (unless you have two TiVO's or a DirectTiVO). This causes my wife much fretting when she needs to decide between Buffy and Gilmore Girls. With this system, there is no problem. You can watch them both.

    Another problem I have found with TiVO is that all the commercials are stale. When I get around to watching a Junk Yard Wars from last week, if I do happen to see a promo for something I might like, it is too late to record it. With this system, I might be able to find it in the archive, or at least when watching a week old show at least I would get up-to-date promos.

    The advantages of TiVO are that you can skip commercials, and that you can store things indefinately. These will still be important to some users, so there will always be a market for a personal video recorder.

    A completely on-demand television system creates many interesting things. There would be no more schedules, just when shows were available. Television contracts would be rewritten to pay for the amount of plays, not . You might be able to pay a premium to see an obscure show, but you would be able to see it. Commercials might be more geared to the viewer. Broadcasting standards might be lifted (since parental controls could be built into this).

    Anyway, sounds interesting. Not that I would want to give up my TiVO.