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CmdrTaco
on from the standardizing-on-no-standards dept.
Corrado writes "According to this article over at Linux Box SuSE Is "Reevaulating Our Relationship" with SCO Group. There is also a reference to this article in wired about OSS developers rallying behind IBM. The best line of the article is "Eric Raymond called SCO's move 'deeply stupid...'""
Caldera sposored the work in question
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Anonymous Coward
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Caldera (as early as 1995) sponsored the work they now have a problem with.
The so called "Enterprise features" were developed by the Linux community on hardware provided by Caldera and with support of Caldera Engineers. Which means that they knew what development was under way, at the very least. IBM had very little to do with it, but some of the Linux Community hackers now work there (yeah IBM).
Caldera was involved in selling Linux into the traditional SCO markerplace long before IBM even took notice, and had some of the best talent in Utah, who had seen the internals of UNIX at Novell before it was sold to SCO, working on it.
This suit shows a complete lack of history at Caldera/SCO, which is not surprising since they have had huge staff turn over in thier death throws. Here's hoping they go away quickly, if not quietly... just like their bastard child Lineo did.
Re:Caldera sposored the work in question
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Alan+Cox
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Let me provide specific data on that
Caldera provided me the SMP machine that was used to write Linux SMP support, that was why they provided it and thats one big reason it happened at that time.
And most of the theory for it came not from secret unix knowledge but a book 8)
Another over reaction
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andrewm
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SCO has grounds for their suit, though I can't say I agree SCO should win it based on the information that appears in the filing.
SCO's mistake was holding up Linux as being indirectly responsible, and worse, insulting it and all the volunteers that worked on it over the years.
Linus seems to share a similar point of view, if I've understood his comments correctly.
Re:Another over reaction
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Anonymous Coward
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> SCO has grounds for their suit, though I can't say I agree SCO should win it based on the information that appears in the filing.
Care to list them? Everyone *else* who's actually read the filing can't find a damn thing that's grounds for any kind of serious legal action.
Which Article Did Slashdot Editors Read?
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Carnage4Life
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According to the current text in the linked article SuSe explicitly stated that they still support UnitedLinux. The relevant excerpt is
"Accordingly, we are currently reevaluating our relationship with the SCO Group," Seibt continued. "That said,
we want to very clearly and unequivocally voice our support of the ideals and goals of UnitedLinux and the Linux community."
[OT] Re:ESR's Site?
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aridhol
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For some reason, tuxedo.org randomly forwards you to other sites. However, ESR's page is alive and well at http://www.catb.org/~esr/. I can't find any reason for the change on the website, though.
-- I can't say that I don't give a fuck. I've just run out of fuck to give.
Re: Hard to believe they're the only ones
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Black+Parrot
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> SCO lets loose with one of the silent-but-deadly variety, and everybody is still in the room?
It's more like an elevator: everyone is eagerly awaiting the next stop.
-- Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
No, everyone else has licenses.
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douglips
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Sun & HP at least have perpetual license to Unix, hence all the stuff about "Solaris is a safe harbor". SCO can't touch these guys.
Re:SCO v. IBM...it's not gonna happen.
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Otter
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OK, for the zillionth time...
The group that controls SCO has a 5.8% share in TrollTech. They do not in any way control the company. Even by the usual standards of anti-Qt/KDE FUD, claiming they have any significant connection to SCO is pretty weak.
Consider the history of SCO...
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Black+Copter+Control
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SCO started out life as a part of (tada!) Microsoft under the name Xenix. The group was then then split off/sold to the Santa Cruz Operation and then morphed into SCO.
They just happened to purchase the rights to UNIX somewhere along the line (that somewhere being rather near the end).
-- OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
Re:Piracy
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Anonymous Coward
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Debian is not in UnitedLinux. Never was. Debian is looking at LSB and other standards stuff, sure, that might be the reason for this confusion.
I informed my boss that this lawsuit probably won't impact our Linux development
If you are permitted please write how this was initiated. I think the community is trying to access the impact of this lawsuit and even anecdotal evidence is of interest. Here is Linus' take.
> Now, you can sell consulting, but that's a low margin business. Fer God's sake, don't tell IBM, McKinsey, Accenture, etc. Oh, and stop smoking whatever you're smoking, it seems to affect your thinking...
-- --
Roland Buresund
MBA, MCMI, CISSP
Speaking of SCO
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Anonymous Coward
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Eric Raymond has also...
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Anonymous Coward
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...said to Linux Business & Technology magazine: "What SCO is doing is ethically wrong and legally dubious. Their complaint rewrites and distorts history."
Re:I like SuSE but...
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NullProg
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With one exception... YAST!! Yast sucks. It's slow, it won't keep it's hands off your configuration and if you try to break away from it, it causes dependency hell like mad.
Each distribution has it's quirks. IMHO, YaST has been the best hardware detection tool/Linux setup program available out of all the distributions. I have to admit, the only one I have not tried is Debian. Slackware is my favorite, but as I get older and have less time, I tend not to want/desire to dick around with the system anymore. I just want it to work out of the box. SuSE does this on old hardware as well as new.
SuSE uses RPM as it's installation method. If you have a problem with dependencies, then it's RedHat's fault, not SuSE's. I've never had a problem with YaST connecting to any SuSE mirror (Since 6.4). I use a DSL/Cable modem to update, are you trying dial up? You can download the updates separately to your hard disk and burn them to CD.
upgrade from major version to major version I would never recommend upgrading from a major Linux version to another. In my experience none of the Linux distributions get it right and neither does Microsoft. Config file formats change in between releases. Tarball your old config files and merge them after the installation.
As far as your SuSE configuration problem, edit the config files by hand all you want to. Just don't forget to run "/sbin/SuSEconfig" or the next time you run YaST, all your changes will be gone. You did remember to read the nice book SuSE ships with the distribution didn't you:)
Just kidding, YaST has it's quirks, but so does every other installation tool out there. Until there is a common Linux package distribution system (United Linux?), this is what we have to learn to live with in the mean time.
Slashdot Mirror
This is the correct link http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,579 55,00.html
Caldera (as early as 1995) sponsored the work they now have a problem with.
The so called "Enterprise features" were developed by the Linux community on hardware provided by Caldera and with support of Caldera Engineers. Which means that they knew what development was under way, at the very least. IBM had very little to do with it, but some of the Linux Community hackers now work there (yeah IBM).
Caldera was involved in selling Linux into the traditional SCO markerplace long before IBM even took notice, and had some of the best talent in Utah, who had seen the internals of UNIX at Novell before it was sold to SCO, working on it.
This suit shows a complete lack of history at Caldera/SCO, which is not surprising since they have had huge staff turn over in thier death throws. Here's hoping they go away quickly, if not quietly... just like their bastard child Lineo did.
SCO has grounds for their suit, though I can't say I agree SCO should win it based on the information that appears in the filing.
SCO's mistake was holding up Linux as being indirectly responsible, and worse, insulting it and all the volunteers that worked on it over the years.
Linus seems to share a similar point of view, if I've understood his comments correctly.
For some reason, tuxedo.org randomly forwards you to other sites. However, ESR's page is alive and well at http://www.catb.org/~esr/. I can't find any reason for the change on the website, though.
I can't say that I don't give a fuck. I've just run out of fuck to give.
> SCO lets loose with one of the silent-but-deadly variety, and everybody is still in the room?
It's more like an elevator: everyone is eagerly awaiting the next stop.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Sun & HP at least have perpetual license to Unix, hence all the stuff about "Solaris is a safe harbor". SCO can't touch these guys.
My amazing wife - Artist, Author, Philosopher - Laurie M
The group that controls SCO has a 5.8% share in TrollTech. They do not in any way control the company. Even by the usual standards of anti-Qt/KDE FUD, claiming they have any significant connection to SCO is pretty weak.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
They just happened to purchase the rights to UNIX somewhere along the line (that somewhere being rather near the end).
OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
Debian is not in UnitedLinux. Never was. Debian is looking at LSB and other standards stuff, sure, that might be the reason for this confusion.
If you are permitted please write how this was initiated. I think the community is trying to access the impact of this lawsuit and even anecdotal evidence is of interest. Here is Linus' take.
Help fight continental drift.
> Now, you can sell consulting, but that's a low margin business.
Fer God's sake, don't tell IBM, McKinsey, Accenture, etc. Oh, and stop smoking whatever you're smoking, it seems to affect your thinking...
-- Roland Buresund MBA, MCMI, CISSP
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Tidbit
...said to Linux Business & Technology magazine: "What SCO is doing is ethically wrong and legally dubious. Their complaint rewrites and distorts history."
With one exception... YAST!! Yast sucks. It's slow, it won't keep it's hands off your configuration and if you try to break away from it, it causes dependency hell like mad.
:)
Each distribution has it's quirks. IMHO, YaST has been the best hardware detection tool/Linux setup program available out of all the distributions. I have to admit, the only one I have not tried is Debian. Slackware is my favorite, but as I get older and have less time, I tend not to want/desire to dick around with the system anymore. I just want it to work out of the box. SuSE does this on old hardware as well as new.
SuSE uses RPM as it's installation method. If you have a problem with dependencies, then it's RedHat's fault, not SuSE's. I've never had a problem with YaST connecting to any SuSE mirror (Since 6.4). I use a DSL/Cable modem to update, are you trying dial up? You can download the updates separately to your hard disk and burn them to CD.
upgrade from major version to major version
I would never recommend upgrading from a major Linux version to another. In my experience none of the Linux distributions get it right and neither does Microsoft. Config file formats change in between releases. Tarball your old config files and merge them after the installation.
As far as your SuSE configuration problem, edit the config files by hand all you want to. Just don't forget to run "/sbin/SuSEconfig" or the next time you run YaST, all your changes will be gone. You did remember to read the nice book SuSE ships with the distribution didn't you
Just kidding, YaST has it's quirks, but so does every other installation tool out there. Until there is a common Linux package distribution system (United Linux?), this is what we have to learn to live with in the mean time.
Enjoy,
It's just the normal noises in here.