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SETI@Home 2nd Look at Possible Hits

cpk0 writes "This article from MSNBC discusses how data returned from SETI@Home users is beign retested by the Institue for a possibility of alien radio signals being included. At just over 4 years old, I think this would be the first big break for SETI@home." This is a followup to a December Slashdot story. Apparently this is getting some major attention in the mainstream media lately.

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  1. could be just what we need... by mike77 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe I'm being too poetic, but with a world on the brink of war, a confirmation of an alien civilization would be an amazing thing right now. Maybe give our leaders a kick in the ass that their petty squabbles are not the end all be all of our existence.

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    1. Re:could be just what we need... by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can imagine a beautiful, peaceful alien race. Free of crime, war, and violence.

      Then I can see us taking over that race, cuz those fuckers would NEVER see that shit coming.

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    2. Re:could be just what we need... by ip_vjl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode (from the version that ran in the 80's)

      Aliens come to Earth and tell us that they seeded our planet years ago ... but are disappointed in us because we have this "small talent for war with all our petty border skirmishes and such" and will wipe us out in a few days.

      World leaders feverishly work to hammer out their differences in the days before the aliens return.

      When they return, they are handed a huge treaty as we stand back and proudly proclaim "Peace in our time."

      The alien laughs.

      "No, you misunderstood. We breed warriors."

    3. Re:could be just what we need... by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Higher beings from outer space may not want to tell us the secrets of life, because we're not ready. But maybe they'll change their tune after a little torture." -Jack Handey

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  2. What a waste by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The probability of catching radio waves from intelligent life forms in a 4 year window is crazy. The distances they'd have to travel are enormous, and that civilization is probably long extinct, and the spectrum we are looking at is very narrow, and our definition of intelligence is also very narrow... what if what we think of cosmic background noise is in actuality encrypted data transmissions, meant to be indistinguishable from background noise? Too many assumptions are taking place, it's really a waste of resources.

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    1. Re:What a waste by SpamJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that civilization is probably long extinct

      You're assuming they also have Bushes as leaders. That's unlikely.

      what if what we think of cosmic background noise is in actuality encrypted data transmissions, meant to be indistinguishable from background noise?

      Then it wasn't meant for us. We're not trying for a man-in-the-middle attack, we're looking for life explicitly trying to contact another civilization.

    2. Re:What a waste by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'm not sure I agree with you 100% on your police work there, Lou.

      Firstly, the distance that signals from another potential civilization *could* be enormous, but then again they could be reasonably small. There are a pretty fair number of stars within, oh, 100 light years or so of our own primary. The real question there is what sort of values to plug into the Drake equation, and we won't have a good idea there until we collect some data points.

      Secondly, why would you assume that an alien civilization would carefully hide their transmissions? We don't, even though we understand that we're basically advertising the location of our planet with TV and radio and radar. Besides, if you really wanted to mask your location, you'd stick to cable. Sure, we wouldn't pick them up, but for each ultraparanoid civilization (and I'll grant you that they very well may exist), there are probably others less cautious.

      Sure, we could be all the life that's out there -- in the absense of any concrete proof, there's always that chance. That said, I personally have a hard time believing that in a universe as big as ours the there's a unique instance of anything. Anyhow, putting in a minimum of effort seems pretty reasonable when you're talking about making the greatest discovery in the history of history, doesn't it?

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    3. Re:What a waste by LMCBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, you will be glad to hear that no tax money goes to support SETI. Zero public resources are spent on it.

      Everyone that contributes to SETI, from Paul Allen to Team Lambchop, is spending their own resources of their own free will. They obviously think it's not a waste.

      So, what exactly are you complaining about?

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    4. Re:What a waste by LMCBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about this? You spend your spare cycles on something you think is important, and I'll do the same.

      Sound good? Alllllllllrighty then.

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  3. Issue by BenV666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only problem they have with Seti@home these days is the statistics.
    I know a few people who actually compete over who has computed the most packets. People also try to cheat to get high stats, that is where it goes wrong...
    Therefore it might be better to ditch those stats all together, or at least make them less informative...

  4. Re:Hack by Directrix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure they have the original data. The only thing they have to do to settle a claim like this is to reprocess the data in question.

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  5. The late great Carl Sagan once wrote by wiggys · · Score: 5, Insightful
    http://www.seds.org/billa/psc/pbd.html

    We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

    The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

    Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

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    1. Re:The late great Carl Sagan once wrote by Sedennial · · Score: 5, Funny

      There needs to be a new moderator choice - 'Depressing' :)

  6. War, warrrrrr by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Funny

    (from the article) "Our chances right now [of finding something] are small," SETI@home chief scientist Dan Werthimer said in a telephone interview. "But you have to plan for success"

    He continued: "and in this case, success would mean an intergalactic war that would result in the destruction of entire galaxies. We have already begun training our astrosoldiers in the art of zero-G warfare, but chances of defeating the alien menace is slim. I for one welcome our new alien overlords... Hail ants."

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  7. The message by soundofthemoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone in the Pleiades needs help moving 50 billion quatloos out of a forgotten government bank account, and they want Earth to help.

  8. Guess they were right by rde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who scanned that part of the sky for seti@athome (so to speak), I got a mail from our berkelean chums, suggesting that a lot of media interest might be forthcoming. I mentally scoffed at the possibility, but here I am talking about it on a *cough* reputable site like slashdot!

    seti - acting under the auspices of the planetary society - were kind enough to ask whether I'd like my fifteen minutes now, and make my name available for interview to those legions of reporters who'd be after a human interest angle.

    Of course, 'human interest' is exactly not the reason I signed up for seti@home, but there you go. Nonetheless, I volunteered, just in case they want a European perspective. However, I really, really doubt that anything will come of it. Just like a seti user should.

  9. And if they find ET? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Assume for a moment that this second pass finds a signal that is not random and is coming from a Sun like star 3,000 light years away. We watch it with more and more telescopes and damn if it doesn't send a big old red flag of intelligence.

    Now what?

    Any transmission there and back will have a 6k year life span. That's far to great of a distance for us to explore yet, and far to much of a time to comprehend between signals. So how will we deal with another society 17,597,088,000,000,000 miles away?

    My pessimism says we let it divide us even more. Some will claim it as Atlantis, others will see it as home of the Aliens that have abducting them. The religious zealots will condemn, and our government will try and ignore it.

    My optimism hopes that it will inspire us to space. Give us a goal worthy of sending Humans to, and something that will also inspire kids to get more involved in Science.

    I know that there has been much written about what a positive result in this search would mean to society, but I'm wondering if anyone else has their own thoughts?

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    1. Re:And if they find ET? by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So how will we deal with another society 17,597,088,000,000,000 miles away?

      That's a plausable scenario and a good point. A signal lag time which represents most of the whole of human history is obviously not workable, and given the size of the universe (big), it's not hard to see it happening.

      But that hardly means such contact could in any way be considered a failure. As I see it, we as a species stand to gain a lot from it:

      A data point for the Drake equation. Hey, if *somebody* else is out there and within 3000 light years, there are quite probably a lot of other somebodys out there.

      Potential research value. Their science may be more advanced and would certainly be different from our own. We could almost certainly pick up insights into our universe just by interpreting and communications (or, at least, Fox could steal their reality shows and produce them on earth).

      Mindset. A lot of the conflict of the last 50 years or so has been centered around the fact that our technology is making the earth "smaller" far faster than our various cultures are able to compensate for. This sort of discovery could give some perspective as to what "us" means, or at the very least drive some competetive juices that drive humans (gotta get to Mars, gotta colonize the Oort belt, gotta get good at this whole space thing...)

      Sure, some people'd react badly to it. We'd probably see some mass suicides, maybe a couple of new religious cults, but that'd all encompass people who'd go for that shit anyhow (Tom Cruise, etc). Seems like a fair trade-off to me.

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  10. Decrypted Alien Message by papadiablo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "No! All your base are belong to us!"

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