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Mozilla.org Launches Mozilla 1.3
theBrownfury writes "Mozilla 1.3 is out and about. New to this version are features like image auto sizing, bayesian junk-mail filtering, dynamic profile switching, about:config for a pretty view into all of Mozilla's "secret" settings, an initial version of Midas for rich text editing, and a lot of other fixes for performance, standards compliance and site compatability. Also with 1.3 Mozilla is now applying machine learning to improve the autocomplete feature. Mozilla 1.3 is now the official stable release from mozilla.org. Users of all previous versions should upgrade to 1.3 for the latest in features and stability. More info at the 1.3 release page and discussions at mozillaZine.org."
"Phoenix authors have quit working on it"
That's not at all accurate. Phoenix developers have checked in changes to thousands of lines of code in hundreds of Phoenix files just this month and Phoenix also picks up almost all of the backend Mozilla changes that happen every day. Just because it's not moving at the pace it did when it was all brand new doesn't mean it's not moving.
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the problem is that most people don't really care, and don't have any idea what so ever what w3c is, and why their rules should be followed.. no browser will take IE's place untill that happens (or untill microsoft corp. drops dead)
Aren't we supposed to be nerds here? Doesn't that mean we should all be capable of installing a fucking browser properly?
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... the WORST ever feature on M$IE is image autosizing.
Am I the only one here that is happy Mozilla 1.3 is out? After reading the posts here it sounds like /. would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
/.ers also complain about)
What is wrong with Mozilla? "Bloat" what exactly is "bloat" memory footprint? HDD footprint? Load Time? Compaired to IE I find it to be very compeditive, plus you are not helping lord gates and mount redmond take over the net/world. You are providing them with a serious challenge which is better for everyone.
Sorry, I just work up and I'm a little cranky. I don't meean to bitch at the parent post specificly just people that are complaining about nit picky stuff while overlooking all the time/energy spent giving them a free speech/beer answer to IE and redmond (something
Have you not heard of Napoleon? Make no mistake; nothing about the French is inherently weak or timid. They also seem to have a fine concept of public opinion, rather than big business, affecting what their politicians decide.
Hasn't about:config been there for a while?
The pace at which they're going now is absolutely incredible. It took them forever to reach 1.0, and I admint I was somewhat skeptical about the project. But once they got to 1.0, they started going fast and furious.
I will politely wait for the slashdotting to end before getting this release, but I can't wait! Go Moz!
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Which is especially true since you can download the Mozilla source yourself, set your compile options, and not have to build most of these extra features in at all. I mean, even the cited Phoenix browser relies on a functional build of Mozilla to compile, right?
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That would be the "other" line, right? browsers used on google in January
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You don't have to have a large section of the market to be competition. Remember how fast IE destroyed Netscape? You just have to have a product good enough to keep the heat on. If IE stops progressing Mozilla will catch up and surpass them and eventually eat their lunch. Unlike Netscape Mozilla isn't going to be easy to kill. It's been designed from the ground up to be maintainable and flexible. It's independent of a commercial company. You can't buy it ot put it out of business.
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So if you want to help a poor Mac (and Linux, for my servers) user who can't afford to upgrade to Jaguar, go to this website and make a donation! (or buy something).
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am i the only person who does not like AA?
Am I the only one who prefers non anti-aliased fonts? I think that anti-aliased fonts look like shit, especially on small point sizes. I like text to look crisp, not blended together. During an eye-exam, the doctor made a comment to me along those lines. So maybe I am alone on this...
Also noteworthy is that Linux machines accounted for 1% of the operating systems used to access Google in January 2003, while different flavors of Windows account for 91%. Macs accounted for 4%, the "other" category for the remaining 4% (Source: Google Inc.). I guess that gives a pretty good picture of where Linux on the desktop is right now, it will be interesting to follow how that figure develops over the next few years.
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How awesome that instead of trying to decrease the memory footprint, increase stability or actually improve usability, the mozdev team focusing on ripping off EVEN MORE useless features from IE. My favorite is the removal of items from the right click menu's in the context sensitive way of doing things. Never mind going back is the second most used function, let's get it off that menu. When I brought this up, I was told I could edit the code to put it back, wow, talk about usuability, just rewrite the code! Good job mozdev, you keep showing the world that in the face of adversity you can keep making something worse and still take credit for it, believing all the while, and convincing not a few that you've done somthing great.
We looked into XUL as a solution to our content management system about 12 or 18 months ago, I don't remember, and my concept of time is seriously warped from the dor-com days.
At the time, they CLAIMED that you could do all this cool stuff with XUL, but the documentation (including the 1 ONE official book on XUL, sucked). They all focused on building the GUI inside of the Mozilla browser.
We were working with a potential partner that has a browser based application, whose bain of existance is IE's print feature (they log printing with their print button, but an IE print would trash that). The idea of a "stripped down" browser that would start at their screen would rock. Additionally, using XUL widgets would let them eliminate the frames and other garbage, making their app easier. They liked the idea of using a XUL toolbar instead of a frame with buttons.
Unfortunately, weeks of research through their docs went nowhere, and we worked on a Java solution, and the deal went south over time. Now we have our own Java based solution, and don't want to migrate to XUL.
The XUL + ECMAScript stuff should have been pushed earlier with proper documentation. Instead they pushed it to grab some marketshare when they weren't ready.
I love Camino/Chimera, and the other Gecko browsers (use Phoenix when on a Windows machine), but they missed a lot of time with not getting XUL as an early solution. They should have put out (early) some shells that you could start from then add your other functionality.
Sure, other projects have picked it up since then, but with the XUL + ECMAScript solution being the red-headed stepchild for a while, they lost some steam.
It'll happen, but every year that they wasted will take 2 years to recover, as growth has slowed down and projects chose other tech.
That said, I love Mozilla now, but I think that the shifting of priorities cost them mindshare that will be painful to recover.
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Seriously IE sucks. Even die hard Windows users I know switch to Mozilla or Opera. I do use the best tool for the job which is why I use Mozilla. Maybe if Microsoft opensourced IE it'd improve and not suck so much. Pitiful considering how few platforms they even support and the headstart they had.
I have to agree: IE sucks ass, Mozilla is just far superior.
The hardest thing people have to deal with is change. I wish more people (who were around at the time) would remember how hard it was to switch from Netscape to MSIE. IE was a better browser as of 4.0, and people were reluctant to change. Now Mozilla is a better browser as of a few months ago, and again people are reluctant to change.
But here's the kicker. Mozilla allows you to block popup ads (intelligently), disable JavaScript and HTML in mail/news, use tabbed browsing (trust me, once you get used to it you won't be able to stand any other way), and most notably, use the same browser on any OS you happen to be stuck on at the moment. Windows, Linux, FreeBSD (where it seems fastest in my opinion), Mac, etc -- Mozilla is there for you. Where's MSIE? On two of them (and very different implementations at that), and simply not available (for marketing reasons, not technical ones) on the others.
I love Mozilla, and really want to see it prosper, based on technical, usability, and availability merits -- all of which it earns on its own, if you're willing to forget why IE is your "favorite" browser for a few minutes...
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> Because Mozilla happens to tbe the only app you have that uses
> the particular functionality that's buggy in the driver, whatever
> that is?
The newest Sun Java implementation for Windows does work around
a crashing bug with ATI drivers. I experienced the bug myself.
It is likely related to this one.