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Mozilla.org Launches Mozilla 1.3
theBrownfury writes "Mozilla 1.3 is out and about. New to this version are features like image auto sizing, bayesian junk-mail filtering, dynamic profile switching, about:config for a pretty view into all of Mozilla's "secret" settings, an initial version of Midas for rich text editing, and a lot of other fixes for performance, standards compliance and site compatability. Also with 1.3 Mozilla is now applying machine learning to improve the autocomplete feature. Mozilla 1.3 is now the official stable release from mozilla.org. Users of all previous versions should upgrade to 1.3 for the latest in features and stability. More info at the 1.3 release page and discussions at mozillaZine.org."
Thats fine is you want the bloat. (although the kitchen sink is pretty funny) But when is the phoenix browser project going to release .6?
Choose wisely you must...
This is the quickest I ever installed software... hot off the press.
I LOVE mozilla... too bad more users don't have this expirience.
Mike http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
Have they removed, or at least given the option to remove, the anti-aliasing crap that was in the linux beta build?
Finally mozilla supports unicode in the titlebar properly and also the address bar! Not the most important feature but it certaintly made things ugly to look at when you look at sites in different character sets. (This is reffering to Windows rels. btw)
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
How long? I categorized about 200 messages in PopFile and it still wouldn't sort any itself. It was getting something like 99.999% certainty and wasn't getting any wrong. I checked the PopFile forums, and apparently no one else wonders how many hours you have to spend doing a triple click to categorize each e-mail.
What is music when you despise all sound?
1.2.1 finally fixed www.msnbc.com. However, www.nvidia.com was still not "right". Now even that site works. woot!
I know judging a browser by it's ability to handle the twisted "html" these sites use is a bad thing to do. However, it's nice to see Mozilla take on the challenge and succeed anyhow.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Go ahead and demonstrate for me how you can generate an arbitrary file with the same MD5 checksum as the Mozilla tarball.
Still waiting.
No?
Just curious -- how long does it usually take before they create the RPM's for each release? They don't seem to be available for 1.3 yet.
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I just check my weblog stats and non IE browsers accounted for 12% of hits so far today (out of 1.1million). About two months ago it was only 7%. Mozilla itself is at about 6.2%. Let's hope this trend continues.
An excellent example of what open source can accomplish, and I really mean that. Kudos and all that.
If this feature has indeed been added to mozilla (and MS could learn this as well), please add an option to turn it off!
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Dietary fiber is like asynchronous IO-- Non-blocking!
In the meanwhile, there is the NTLM Authorization Proxy Server.
It's not THE solution but it works.
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Great, no prefbar, no leech, no themes for Mac OS X. The release notes page even points at an irrelevant bug (181293) to further confuse the issue. LOSERS!
The PrefBar Nazi
The way I think completion should work is to match the shortest matching non-unique segment. /info.
3 /20282 09&mode=nested&tid=95&tid=185&tid=154"
If I type "www.moz" and I've been to "www.mozilla.com" (and various subdirectories) and "www.mozone.com" (and various subdirectories), it should show just those two matches, without the subdirectories. I should then be able to hit tab to choose one or the other, and then continue to type. Say I choose www.mozilla.com and type
Now, if the only pages matching this is "/info/win32/editor.html" "info/win32/browser.html" "/info/linux/browser.html" then I should get to choose between "/info/linux/" and "/info/win32/".
This way I can type "sl" and see all the individual sites starting with sl, before looking through thousands of lines like
"http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/1
Also, if there are no matches, the window shouldn't come up at all. It's a pain to have to click repeatedly to get out of the URL entry if the url you are entering doesn't match anything. (at least on the Linux version)
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
These preferences (font.FreeType2.*, etc.) trigger different antialiased font code -- code that uses FreeType directly rather than going through Xft2 and fontconfig. This requires that the user configure TrueType fonts separately for Mozilla.
There's been a bit of debate about which approach is better. I'm strongly in the "don't reinvent the wheel" camp, and thus I prefer Xft to the direct use of FreeType.
I've written a proxy server (see my .sig) which can use NTLM (and Basic) authentication when forwarding through another proxy; it also has some advanced filtering features that you won't find in any other proxy out there (i.e. regexp substitution on webpage body and http headers, regexp substition on request url (useful for bypassing click-through ads, download mirror selection, etc.), caching to memory and disk (uses same refresh logic as squid), URL commands to perform various actions on a webpage (i.e. prefixing a URL with "diff.." will show a DIFF-style output of the changes made by the regexp substitution on the webpage, and individual filtering features can be bypassed), files can be processed by any external program (i.e. you can use a perl script to remove animated .gif's), and much more :)
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It seems like this autocomplete thing is more about ranking... I wonder if they'll fix what I consider to be the bigest problem with autocomplete - Mozilla will pick one site from which to return URLs.
Example: If I start typing in 'http://s' for example, it will gladly show me a list of 20 URLs from slashdot.org, but not a single one for stickdeath. Why doesn't it do like (Windows) Explorer-style autocomplete - when I type in the above, provide me with domains from which to choose. When and if I pick Slashdot, then it should provide links from slashdot only, but why on earth does it assume that by typing a few letters, that it should automatically complete 10 documents from the same website, but none from any others?
--Dan
Mozilla just keeps getting better and better... With all the features it has, it's well on it's way to becoming the super user's uber browser. I had to tweak one of the "secret features" a few weeks ago. (Port 1080 is denied unless you explicitly tell the browser that it's OK to access) The info I found, referred me to the about:config screen. When I saw it I was very impressed at how much potential there is for using this browser in so many different ways. The only thing they need on Linux now is the "Quick Start" or whatever they call it launcher program. That way you will only have to wait a fraction of a second for Mozilla to appear. I think this could be implemented by having another Mozilla componenet that you can run at X login. It doesn't actually display any output, it just loads the base elements of Mozilla needed to launch any Mozilla app. That would be EXTREMELY cool...
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Seriously IE sucks. Even die hard Windows users I know switch to Mozilla or Opera. I do use the best tool for the job which is why I use Mozilla. Maybe if Microsoft opensourced IE it'd improve and not suck so much. Pitiful considering how few platforms they even support and the headstart they had.
:)
The same with Linux. I use Linux because it's better than Windows (for my needs at least). I do have major complaints about Gnome 2 though. It seems like they've slipped a lot. They actually are making XP look good in some ways.
The one really kickass program Microsoft makes.. M$ Flight Sim. Flight Sim is cool. Haven't seen it in a while though. They still selling it? I have yet to see an opensource program that was anywhere as cool as Flight Sim.
Also keep in mind that having access to the source is one feature that defines how useful that program is as a tool. Would you buy a car if it were impossible to open the hood? Of course not because to keep the car useful as a tool you need the ability to fix things that break. Maybe you wouldn't be the one to fix it but you could pay somebody to. Unless you have really deep pockets just try to get Microsoft to fix a bug just for you.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I know I can see the ALT tags by doing properties on the images, but I'd rather be able to simply see them on mouse over.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
Yes, I know I can save some folders and do other weird stuff to make sure this doesn't happen, but by god, think of the newbies. (Ok, so the last part was a bit over the top, but still...)
Oh, and with the new spam-filtering-rules Mozilla has now become my fav mailclient. Combined with IMAP it just rocks.
Thank You to all developers. Perhaps I should go file that bug now. The annoying one.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
Naw. I think Mozilla is great if you have anything even remotely new for a computer. I still think they should put more effort into making it run better on crappy hardware but it runs well on most gear.
Mozilla uses less memory than IE and doesn't leak memory like Netscape 4.x so that is good. If you don't want all the extras you can easily compile Mozilla without them for less memory and hdd use.
Mozilla is very stable and full of useful features. Not crap like a talking paperclip but things that are actually useful. It looks a lot nicer than any other browser I've seen to. Some other browsers allow themes but they are pretty limited and still pretty ugly. Mozilla also has a lot better CSS support than other browsers which results in nice looking standard compliant web pages.
The fact that it's opensource is a great feature. It allows for unlimited customization and bug fixes. The fact that it gives IE some real competition is good for both IE and non-IE users. Having a choice is one of those features we all should appreciate.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Unfortunately Mozilla still has a horrible usability flaw that the developers refuse to address. It caches DNS lookups forever, and does not honor the TTL on the record - there is no way to turn this off. This means that any site that uses changing DNS records with a short TTL for failover or load balancing will be broken for Mozilla users. IE works fine. This issue makes Mozilla look really pathetic in a corporate environment.
Search bugzilla for "dns cache".
Since my computer started getting infected with all kinds of ActiveX exploits, I've switched to browsing the internet only with Mozilla. (I use IE for work stuff that requires ActiveX) Popup management alone would have been a good reason to switch. However, I haven't noticed it being any slower than IE lately. I _HAVE_ noticed that Windows tries to swap Mozilla out of memory the first chance it gets. It's almost uncanny. I'll have a bunch of applications running, and Mozilla is always the first one to get swapped out when I'm working on something else. Obviously, this rarely happens with IE (presumably because 9/10 of it is loaded when you boot Windows). Anybody have any idea why it seems to be so much worse with Mozilla? (Running Windows 2000).
GreyPoopon
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"Why the heck can't it handle my skins a little more gracefully? Is having Orbit work between 1.2.1 and 1.3 too much to ask?"
No kidding, they should just include/maintain Orbit with the default install - everyone I know that uses Mozilla uses Orbit as their theme of choice.
-If
Run a pencil-and-paper RPG campaign with your far-off friends: Gametable!
I love the spam filter... I even used 1.3a and 1.3b get the bayesian filter feature. Now that 1.3 is out I'll be installing that ASAP and hope that it fixes a few minor bugs I've noticed.
I would have liked to use Mozilla for my e-mail, as Netscape Messenger 4.7x finally has enough unfixed time/date induced problems so as to be unusable.
I have an inbox (no messages left on server) with about 90 e-mail and 10 MB of attachments. My folders in total have around 30 MB of e-mail. This is on Windows 2000, 800 MHz cpu, 7200 RPM 60 GB disk, HDD FULLY defragmented two days ago, folders compressed not less than a few days ago..
"Compressing" the folders takes 1.5 minutes, despite the fact that I swear I did it only a few days ago. Deleting an e-mail with a 2 MB attachment runs the CPU and HDD for 15 seconds. Same goes for "saving" the attachment to disk.
Oddly enough, even though those operations sound and feel heavy, HDD rattling like heck and system all slow like molasses, the HDD is only reading and writing at 0.5 MB/s, and the CPU is no higher than 10-40 pct.
Now *that's* an unscalable architecture.
Worst of all, while you're saving an attachment to disk your pointer is not locked to an hourglass, and you're free to close the e-mail and delete it from your inbox (which you will do the first time you don't notice the "M" icon still spinning in the e-mail). You get no warning, but I guess because that happens "while" it was trying to extract the attachment, the attachment save gets silently cut off, and you end up with a corrupted partial file on disk (bad zip, etc etc).
That's ONE HELL OF A USABILITY BUG.
After only 1 month, I'm dumping Mozilla Mail as fast as I can.
Anybody else notice that 1.3 can't handle some of the .jpg's on their site? I installed 1.3 today and I'd say about a 5th of my images(all created by photoshop) were no longer viewable.
.jpg "optimized" does but I guess I won't be using the option anymore. Weird.
I exported them with a bunch of different options and it appears that unchecking the "optimized" checkbox and saving them again fixes the problem. To be honest, I'm not sure what making a
Maybe I'm just spoiled, but rather than fetching the giant re-installer, is there some way that mozilla can upgrade itself? For all the complaining that web developers do about people out there still running Mosaic v0.9b, it amazes me this isn't a primary feature.
-Zipwow
I don't know which is more depressing, that 2/3 didn't care enough to vote, or that 1/2 of those that did are crazy.
That the idea to use it as a platform to develope portable applications (using ECMAScript + XUL) is catching on slower than some people would expect.
I think there are two basic architecture issues that turn a lot of people off. The first is Javascript (ECMAscript). The only place this language has a foothold is in HTML. If the real goal is to have people write general applications, nobody uses javascript and so this meets a non-demand.
The second is the failure to separate concerns into layers very well. Presentation code in XML is heavily intermixed with behavior code written in javascript. A better model here is the one used by JSP custom tags. The behavior is encapsilated and isolated to another layer. XUL on the other hand really encourages you to intermix the two.
Who's the UI guru that decided reordering the tab context menu (ie, when you right click on a tab, or in the tab bar) so that 'close tab' is where 'new tab' used to be, and vice versa?
I've been using 1.3 for all of five minutes, and I've twice already closed tabs I wanted to keep open!
What's next, the new emacs remapping c-x c-s to 'quit without save'?
I've been counting the days until I could have auto image resizing.
I use a 1600x1024 desktop. I have a CSS file that gives me nice large fonts, but I can't do much with images. When I'm viewing web comics, much of the time the text in the speech bubbles is so tiny I have to lean way forwards to read it. I read web comics every day, so I'll be using this feature every day.
P.S. If there were an option to simply scale everything by a factor of 2, I'd turn that on by default. Any web page designed for 800x600 would fit great on my screen. (Okay, it would be a little bit tight vertically, but horizontal is more important.)
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Can someone tell me the best way to upgrade between the versions?
:)
I've been usin' and lovin' Moz for a long time now, but I'm always worried about going from one version to the next....can I just "cheat" and install overtop? Should I uninstall the old Moz first for the best stability? I tend to be anal in this area because I like my installs to be 'clean,' yet at the same time I'm lazy and want to do as little work as possible.
What is the most I can "get away" with?
Where did you get the 95% figure? It's hard for me to find any sites that don't work in Mozilla, and I go to plenty of sites that use JavaScript and DHTML. When I do find a site that doesn't work in Mozilla, it's nearly always very poorly designed and it's just an accident that it happens to work in any browser.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
I completely agree about the contention that Mozilla is swapped out a soon as possible. Leave it for a few minutes, and you click on it and a swap storm ensues, despite the fact that a hundred megs of memory is free.
It wouldn't be hard to do, given that they give the option to register as the default browser, and browser apps may require other unknown OS resources that MS could use to ID foreign browsers.
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
I think there are two basic architecture issues that turn a lot of people off. The first is Javascript (ECMAscript). The only place this language has a foothold is in HTML. If the real goal is to have people write general applications, nobody uses javascript and so this meets a non-demand.
I'm not so certain Mozilla was created to meet this non-demand as it was to make Microsoft's worst fears about Netscape come true. IIRC, MS went after Netscape when they realized that the browser was a likely candidate for being a true cross-platform development platform, with complete applicaitons and everything. Realizing this, they had to crush netscape or else run the risk of having a whole slew of applications come out that didn't require Windows.
So, while going under, Netscape thought "Well, why don't we just make those worst fears come true? By opening up the source code and making it Free Software with a newer BSD-style license, Microsoft can't kill it, and nobody need fear the GPL with it."
Thus did the great lizard begin walking the murky depths of the ocean. Let's summon up the Lizard by developing applications with it, and it'll walk up from the Puget Sound and stomp it's way across East Seattle, sink down into Lake Washington, and once again arise. Spitting fire all the way through downtown Bellevue on its way into Redmond, where it will destroy the One Redmond Way.
Damn, I'm glad I live in eastgate. I'll get a ringside seat without having to move out of the Lizard's way.
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