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SuSE 8.2 Announced
Venotar writes "It looks like SuSE's once more setting the bar pretty high. According to their recent announcement, SuSE 8.2's release date is set for April 12th. Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features. Gnome 2.2 is also included, as well as a profile manager for mobile users, and gcc 3.3. Have a lot of fun!"
Desktop revolution for the 8.2:th time.
I sure miss the day when you could download the ISO's for free. I think that is why Mandrake is so appealing.
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion. I'm not very impressed with Mandrake overall. They seem to be a bunch of amateurs.
SuSE's offerings are just plain mouth-watering. Red Hat is a bit of a controversial choice with overboard desktop nullification but the core is very good. SuSE's desktop is AWESOME.
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat. The paid subscription is major bummer indeed.
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KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing"..
Oh, you mean just like every other distro that has kde 3.1?
I could buy Suse 8.2 CD's or I could download Mandrake 9.1 CD's. I think I'll stick w/ the distro that lets me know what I"m getting ahead of time. (And just FYI, after I tried a bunch of distros and decided I wanted Mandrake I joined the Mandrake Club so I'm AM supporting those who support my computer.)
I do security
From the website,
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
Alex
GCC 3.3 is not released yet; are they hoping that it'll be out before their deadline, will they include an unstable 3.3, or is this a typo in the announcement?
...the "Desktop Sharing" feature is part of KDE 3.1, so any one who upgrades to that version gets that particular functionality - not just those on SuSE 8.2.
*Looks at the KDE 3.1 menu on his RedHat 8.0 machine*
K-->System Tools-->More System Tools -->DesktopSharing
Yup, I'm not mistaken. (APT4RPM and KDE For Redhat are great together, BTW.)
SuSE is a great distro, but credit where credit is due, please.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
I feel compelled to post this, because I'm sure in a few hours there will be tons of RedHat fanboys slagging SuSE and going on about how RedHat is the greatest.
I use RedHat pretty extensively at work (Advanced Server and 8.0) and I am not at all impressed with it. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't feel as complete as SuSE. And RH folks, why did you cripple KDE so I can't shut the machine down from KDE? Even your sales reps were amazed when I showed them my SuSE box with it's shutdown screen. What was your reasoning for this?
SuSE seems stable as all hell, and it's hardware detection is second to none. I'm suprised nobody else has something like suse's little hwscan program (or do they). I just pop in a USB device (like a cdrw or a floppy drive) and it's configured, and appears on my KDE desktop. It's automagical.
SuSE plays mp3s out of the box.
It seems like the playing field these days is being narrowed down to RedHat and SuSE. Here's hoping it doesn't get narrowed down any further.
Speaking of which, Mandrake 9.1 final is due out next week, also with KDE 3.1 and other goodies. Free to download, 650MB ISOs so even the most antique CD drives and burners should be happy.
Looking forward to Kolab maturing (due I think with KDE 3.2), will be an excellent tool for chasing the Borg-remnants out of many enterprises.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
UnitedLinux is only in SuSE's highend server offerings. UnitedLinux is based on SuSE Enterprise Server. I don't think that many other Linux vendors other than Red Hat have the influence, money, and talent that SuSE does, and their distro is pretty nice. The availability of SuSE packages, however, is pretty limited. I gave up with it because I couldn't find any packages for anything I wanted, and I couldn't find any SuSE docs that described how to make an RPM, and I like my packages to fit in with standards of the distro. RPMFind was pretty useless for finding SuSE packages...
Slashdot is a waste of time. I enjoy wasting time.
AND YOU, MY FRIEND ARE CLEARLY MAD!
Be rational for a minute. SuSE is a small German Linux company which is not yet profitable and has its headquarters in Germany as well as offices in the US. They do not have any power to decide if Germany supports the US in the inevitable war with Iraq, for all you know they might support it. It is greately unfair to boycott a comapny, ebcause it happens to be in an unfortunate political situation when teh company has no influence to change this situation.
Furthermore, you can install SuSE as many times as you want on as many machines as you want, but you only have support for one machine. Supproting SuSE, is supproting the many projects SUSe sponsors and contributes to as wella s Linuc, it is not supporting what you call the "enemy".
Germany is not US's enemy, they just oppose a war without serious proof, not just estimates and guesses decades old. Germany also sees that this war is nto about freedom, or the terrible ways in which Sadam abuses his power, it is about Oil and more oil. USA has supported dictators before and has even contributed to a large part of Sadam's army, and we were good allies before. WE knew he was doing this and why did we not act and what about all the other dictators. Come on, don't believe the cover up.
Hitler was in power a long time ago and besides that if you didn't know, the Bush family supproted the Naziz and donated a large amount of money to them.
Also Germany, has no ties to the attacks on 9/11 or terrorism. Where did you come out with so much shit. No wonder other antions don't like us. Judging by your post, I would definetely dislike America if many people thought like that.
I suggest people use what suits them best not what is more "patriotic". What the original poster said is crazy talk.
please take your medication
You present it as if you SuSe is a victim of Redhat users here. The fact is that Redhat holds the "Most Hated Distro Award" among Slashdotters, and if there was ever a distro that was 'slagged', it was Redhat. You're presenting the post as a preemptive defense of SuSe from Redhat users is bullshit, because I never see these types of posts. You just want to rag on Redhat and tell everyone how you think SuSe is better, so you should just come out and say so.
You claim that Redhat feels less complete, yet you give no real examples. I agree that Redhat was silly to not include the shutdown button in KDE and I'd love to know why they removed it, but you are acting as if it is some killer feature or something.. In fact, that is the most discussed item in your post, and you even speak of how your sales people were in awe as they watched you click on it (do you realize how silly that sounds?) and I wonder if you have anything better to mention besides the lack of a silly shutdown option from the K menu. I mean, I'm picturing some guys in suits, jaws dropped, watching in lust as you expose this unbelievable "Log Out" option in the K menu..
Just come out with the the real point you want to make, which is the same one many other Redhat slaggers make: Redhat sucks because they did such and such to [insert KDE component here], my personal preference is [insert distro here].
I'm getting really sick of the distro war bullshit. Use what you like, let other people use what they like. If your distro of choice is truly a good choice for someone, they will eventually try it and use it on their own. Quit beating dead horses.
Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features.
Wake up and smell the coffee! All these nifty new features are standard in KDE 3.1. Nothing apparent about it. You might have just as well said "SuSE will include KDE" and be done with it.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
DISCLAIMER: I am a SUSE (8.1) user, but I've never tried this.
What you do is to download their Live Evaluation CD. You then use that to download the rest via ftp. The link is to version 8.1.
Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
oh, Slackware 9 (which is already at rc2) will have all these features. In fact, those of us running slackware-current already have them. I'm not saying Suse's not a nice distro, but we aren't exactly breaking new ground here.
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Acquiescence leads to obliteration
The best thing that could happen for all Linux distributions is for Microsoft to finally crack the activation process, so that you have no way of installing Windows without a license and a properly activated copy
The thing is, anyone with any technical skills and access to the internet can get hold of a copy of Windows XP and install it for nothing. Same goes for office. Witness the activation cracks, Devils-Own releases, and so on. Bottom line, Windows XP/Office XP is effectively free, and it's a better desktop/gaming/multimedia experience than any Linux distro. The day that you can no longer install Windows for free is the day the average slashdot person finally puts all of his/her effort into Linux.
Microsoft know this, and that's why they still make it possible for the average techy to install and run Windows XP/Office XP at no cost, therefore negating the major benefit of Linux. They prefer people to pirate Windows and Office because it stops them making an effort with Linux.
"The KDE scanning application Kooka and the commercial OCR tool Kadmos enable users to scan both printed and hand-written texts into the word processing application."
"With the comfortable and enhanced SuSE configuration profile manager, notebook users, who commute between different locations, can switch to the network and hardware configurations of every office site and therefore, can use scanners and printers of the respective location with a simple mouse click."
"[...] and the possibility to store folders in the running system in a crypto file system without the need for a new partitioning." That sounds really cool.
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Read the full announcement at http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releas
This really pisses me off.
This is a typical example of take it for free, give nothing back.
SuSE have put a lot of work into their distros and deserve to be paid for them.
Once you buy it, you can update it for free.
Why should they give away all their hardwork for free.
Yeah yeah, debian do it, but they aren't paying people and don't have bills to cover.
Stop whinging about getting it for free.
SuSE costs money and if you don't like it don't buy it.
I usually *purchase* one version in each major series of SuSE, not because I need to, but because I think
a) it is worth it
b) to support the company
On the distro wars, f*ck it use which ever bl00dy distro you want and stop bitching about others.
Free choice doesn't mean you have to slag off the competion.
I think SuSE rocks and is the best distro by a long way for professional users.... if you want to use redhat or pinkcoat that's your choice....
Alanp
The second DVD contains the sources, the first mirrors the binary contents of the 5 CDs. It's controversial, but complies with the GPL (they are distributing the sources along with the binaries).
The number of people without DVD drives is dwindling too...
Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Oh, and how you are bocotting french wine: You BUY the wine and then you dump the wine in the sewerage. These pictures looked EXACTLY like the pictures of arabs burning a US flag - except there's no flag involved.
And you claim to live in the civillized world while arabs are uncivillized sandmonkeys.
And one last thing: Don't forget that the Statue of Liberty is a present from france. Burn it down.
Im not sure where so many people have got the idea that SuSE is not free any more. SuSE, like all linux, is and always will be free.
Perhaps part of the confusion stems from the commercial (ie paid for by SuSE) software that is bundled with SuSE when you purchase a distro but is not available to download for free. I buy the professional distro EVERY minor version release, not because I need to but because I want to support SuSE. In yast, the SuSE set up tool, you may set the installation medium to be the SuSE ftp site and update all you want. You can install from scratch like this as well and even update your core system (although this will require you to burn a FREE to download cd also)
Just because a company lets you buy their linux distro in a shiny box with a bunch of lovely manuals, some cool stickers (which im glad to say are back in 8.1 after 8.0s notable absence) and literally tens of thousands of software packages, many of which you would otherwise have to PAY FOR, I really dont see why anyone complains.
ISOs are available for non i386 SuSE distros, but as has already been pointed out, downloading nearly 6 gigs when you are not even going to install it all seems a tad wasteful on the old bandwidth. Bandwidth which I might add SuSE have to pay for somewhere along the line. If you can afford the time online to download 7 CDs then you will have no problem installing the system you want over ftp.
SuSE Linux can be downloaded for FREE from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/I tested the latest state of Cooker (which is the 9.1 pre-final), and it's incredibly good. They have:
- a completely new and redesigned (and simplified) installation procedure, never saw something so efficient and fast
- a completely redesigned desktop in GNOME & KDE (it's called MandrakeGalaxy and has *great* new icons...)
- anti-aliased fonts everywhere, this provides a great comfort of use...
There are also cool features such as NTFS partition resizing, WiFi support and others.
And the best of all is that for 10 days they seem to be only focusing on intensive debuging and frankly it's hard to find any bug left in this distribution!
My feeling is that MDK 9.1 is going to be a real bomb in the Linux world - it's so full featured, easy to use, powerful... I would call it "Ultimate"!
I'm running SuSE 8.1 on three machines right now - my home system, my laptop, and my work PC. I am still learning Linux, but I have tried quite a few distros and the lack of ISO images for SuSE dosen't bother me. Why? Because the FTP install is bulletproof! All I've ever needed to install SuSE on anything was three floppies and the IP of a local mirror.
Sure, it takes hours, but just check off the packages you want, light fuse and get away! Set it before you go to bed, it's done in the morning (at least on cable/T1) - no swapping discs or anything like that. If you're looking to install onto multiple PCs, just mirror the distro locally. It's no bigger than a few ISOs would be. SuSE is also the ONLY distro I've gotten to install via FTP - most others made it so difficult that I had to download the ISOs.
Just my experience, your milage may vary.