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SuSE 8.2 Announced
Venotar writes "It looks like SuSE's once more setting the bar pretty high. According to their recent announcement, SuSE 8.2's release date is set for April 12th. Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features. Gnome 2.2 is also included, as well as a profile manager for mobile users, and gcc 3.3. Have a lot of fun!"
Desktop revolution for the 8.2:th time.
I sure miss the day when you could download the ISO's for free. I think that is why Mandrake is so appealing.
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion. I'm not very impressed with Mandrake overall. They seem to be a bunch of amateurs.
SuSE's offerings are just plain mouth-watering. Red Hat is a bit of a controversial choice with overboard desktop nullification but the core is very good. SuSE's desktop is AWESOME.
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat. The paid subscription is major bummer indeed.
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KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing"..
Oh, you mean just like every other distro that has kde 3.1?
I could buy Suse 8.2 CD's or I could download Mandrake 9.1 CD's. I think I'll stick w/ the distro that lets me know what I"m getting ahead of time. (And just FYI, after I tried a bunch of distros and decided I wanted Mandrake I joined the Mandrake Club so I'm AM supporting those who support my computer.)
I do security
From the website,
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
Alex
GCC 3.3 is not released yet; are they hoping that it'll be out before their deadline, will they include an unstable 3.3, or is this a typo in the announcement?
This was reported last night on OSNews. What's with the 24 hour delay, editors?
Anyone know if 8.2 will support ACPI?
This guy is way out there
...the "Desktop Sharing" feature is part of KDE 3.1, so any one who upgrades to that version gets that particular functionality - not just those on SuSE 8.2.
*Looks at the KDE 3.1 menu on his RedHat 8.0 machine*
K-->System Tools-->More System Tools -->DesktopSharing
Yup, I'm not mistaken. (APT4RPM and KDE For Redhat are great together, BTW.)
SuSE is a great distro, but credit where credit is due, please.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
I feel compelled to post this, because I'm sure in a few hours there will be tons of RedHat fanboys slagging SuSE and going on about how RedHat is the greatest.
I use RedHat pretty extensively at work (Advanced Server and 8.0) and I am not at all impressed with it. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't feel as complete as SuSE. And RH folks, why did you cripple KDE so I can't shut the machine down from KDE? Even your sales reps were amazed when I showed them my SuSE box with it's shutdown screen. What was your reasoning for this?
SuSE seems stable as all hell, and it's hardware detection is second to none. I'm suprised nobody else has something like suse's little hwscan program (or do they). I just pop in a USB device (like a cdrw or a floppy drive) and it's configured, and appears on my KDE desktop. It's automagical.
SuSE plays mp3s out of the box.
It seems like the playing field these days is being narrowed down to RedHat and SuSE. Here's hoping it doesn't get narrowed down any further.
Speaking of which, Mandrake 9.1 final is due out next week, also with KDE 3.1 and other goodies. Free to download, 650MB ISOs so even the most antique CD drives and burners should be happy.
Looking forward to Kolab maturing (due I think with KDE 3.2), will be an excellent tool for chasing the Borg-remnants out of many enterprises.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Both Mandrake and Knoppix clearly out-detect SuSE in some areas.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
UnitedLinux is only in SuSE's highend server offerings. UnitedLinux is based on SuSE Enterprise Server. I don't think that many other Linux vendors other than Red Hat have the influence, money, and talent that SuSE does, and their distro is pretty nice. The availability of SuSE packages, however, is pretty limited. I gave up with it because I couldn't find any packages for anything I wanted, and I couldn't find any SuSE docs that described how to make an RPM, and I like my packages to fit in with standards of the distro. RPMFind was pretty useless for finding SuSE packages...
Slashdot is a waste of time. I enjoy wasting time.
AND YOU, MY FRIEND ARE CLEARLY MAD!
Be rational for a minute. SuSE is a small German Linux company which is not yet profitable and has its headquarters in Germany as well as offices in the US. They do not have any power to decide if Germany supports the US in the inevitable war with Iraq, for all you know they might support it. It is greately unfair to boycott a comapny, ebcause it happens to be in an unfortunate political situation when teh company has no influence to change this situation.
Furthermore, you can install SuSE as many times as you want on as many machines as you want, but you only have support for one machine. Supproting SuSE, is supproting the many projects SUSe sponsors and contributes to as wella s Linuc, it is not supporting what you call the "enemy".
Germany is not US's enemy, they just oppose a war without serious proof, not just estimates and guesses decades old. Germany also sees that this war is nto about freedom, or the terrible ways in which Sadam abuses his power, it is about Oil and more oil. USA has supported dictators before and has even contributed to a large part of Sadam's army, and we were good allies before. WE knew he was doing this and why did we not act and what about all the other dictators. Come on, don't believe the cover up.
Hitler was in power a long time ago and besides that if you didn't know, the Bush family supproted the Naziz and donated a large amount of money to them.
Also Germany, has no ties to the attacks on 9/11 or terrorism. Where did you come out with so much shit. No wonder other antions don't like us. Judging by your post, I would definetely dislike America if many people thought like that.
I suggest people use what suits them best not what is more "patriotic". What the original poster said is crazy talk.
please take your medication
You present it as if you SuSe is a victim of Redhat users here. The fact is that Redhat holds the "Most Hated Distro Award" among Slashdotters, and if there was ever a distro that was 'slagged', it was Redhat. You're presenting the post as a preemptive defense of SuSe from Redhat users is bullshit, because I never see these types of posts. You just want to rag on Redhat and tell everyone how you think SuSe is better, so you should just come out and say so.
You claim that Redhat feels less complete, yet you give no real examples. I agree that Redhat was silly to not include the shutdown button in KDE and I'd love to know why they removed it, but you are acting as if it is some killer feature or something.. In fact, that is the most discussed item in your post, and you even speak of how your sales people were in awe as they watched you click on it (do you realize how silly that sounds?) and I wonder if you have anything better to mention besides the lack of a silly shutdown option from the K menu. I mean, I'm picturing some guys in suits, jaws dropped, watching in lust as you expose this unbelievable "Log Out" option in the K menu..
Just come out with the the real point you want to make, which is the same one many other Redhat slaggers make: Redhat sucks because they did such and such to [insert KDE component here], my personal preference is [insert distro here].
I'm getting really sick of the distro war bullshit. Use what you like, let other people use what they like. If your distro of choice is truly a good choice for someone, they will eventually try it and use it on their own. Quit beating dead horses.
Or wait 12 weeks for suse to release most of it on their mirrors. Then wait another 12 weeks to get connected and download it even if you have an OC12.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features.
Wake up and smell the coffee! All these nifty new features are standard in KDE 3.1. Nothing apparent about it. You might have just as well said "SuSE will include KDE" and be done with it.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
It hasn't even been released yet. Just finishe betas for crying out loud (lol).
DISCLAIMER: I am a SUSE (8.1) user, but I've never tried this.
What you do is to download their Live Evaluation CD. You then use that to download the rest via ftp. The link is to version 8.1.
Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
oh, Slackware 9 (which is already at rc2) will have all these features. In fact, those of us running slackware-current already have them. I'm not saying Suse's not a nice distro, but we aren't exactly breaking new ground here.
<wait for Gentoo/Debian comment>5 seconds</wait>
Acquiescence leads to obliteration
The best thing that could happen for all Linux distributions is for Microsoft to finally crack the activation process, so that you have no way of installing Windows without a license and a properly activated copy
The thing is, anyone with any technical skills and access to the internet can get hold of a copy of Windows XP and install it for nothing. Same goes for office. Witness the activation cracks, Devils-Own releases, and so on. Bottom line, Windows XP/Office XP is effectively free, and it's a better desktop/gaming/multimedia experience than any Linux distro. The day that you can no longer install Windows for free is the day the average slashdot person finally puts all of his/her effort into Linux.
Microsoft know this, and that's why they still make it possible for the average techy to install and run Windows XP/Office XP at no cost, therefore negating the major benefit of Linux. They prefer people to pirate Windows and Office because it stops them making an effort with Linux.
Personally, I don't think the above 2 are trolls. They are responding to a stupid idea.
Now I'm going to go out and buy some FRENCH fries and FRENCH kiss my girlfriend, and then laugh at the morons who are going to boycott things in the name of GWB's manhood.
(Even more OT: The origin of the word "France" is "Frank", which originally meant "a free man", so France meant "home of free men". Almost kinda sorta maybe justifies those idiots eating "freedom toast"...)
Acquiescence leads to obliteration
"Random Linux Distro" Kshu, we've just released the ultimate linux distro! It integerates seamlessly with just about any piece of software you can think of!! Please download our ISO's or buy our cd's.
"Kshu" Wow! Finally I can use decent, stable softwa.. wait a minute. Green?!! GREEN!!!! Fuck that!
"The KDE scanning application Kooka and the commercial OCR tool Kadmos enable users to scan both printed and hand-written texts into the word processing application."
"With the comfortable and enhanced SuSE configuration profile manager, notebook users, who commute between different locations, can switch to the network and hardware configurations of every office site and therefore, can use scanners and printers of the respective location with a simple mouse click."
"[...] and the possibility to store folders in the running system in a crypto file system without the need for a new partitioning." That sounds really cool.
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Read the full announcement at http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releas
This version of SuSE isn't out yet, but yes you can do an FTP install of SuSE. If you go to ftp.suse.com and work your way through to the 8.1 tree of it [as 8.2 isn't out yet ;o)] then you can download the floppy disks / boot iso which should enable you to do an ftp install.
WHAT ???
The SuSE Online Update (YOU) is the worst piece of s*** I've ever seen.
Before downloading the actual packages, first so called package descriptions are downloaded. Although this is a good idea, they download one file with the description for every single available update package. This description downloading - although the sum of the descriptions is less than 1MB, takes around 2 hours now. (At the beginning, when SuSE 8.1 was new, it was fast as there were nearly no updates, now there are hundreds). The reason for this is that the "get" request from the FTP-server takes long to get through.
In SuSE versions 8.0, they seemed to fork the whole YaST for every description download. I had a P-166 running with 128MB RAM, and when downloading the descriptions for 100+ packages, YaST was also forked 100+, that exceeded my 128MB Memory and YOU crashed.
Moreover, in SuSE 8.1, the update was not synced with the rpm database. If you updated a package directly via rpm, YOU would not know it and would download the package once again and even conflict afterwards with the by-hand installed package (!).
Besides YOU, SuSE is really o.k. for me, I like it personally. I hope soooo much that the online update is better in 8.2.
Moreover I hope that one can save his configuration of the installed rpm's into a file, like this was possible in SuSE 8.1. When installing a second machine, I had to select all packages BY HAND rather than simply reading a configuration file. SuSE support told me they will include this feature in a later version.
Very important would also be that the mozilla java-plugin at last works. Konqueror is nice, but a lot of webpages are NOT working with it. Mozilla is far more compatible.
Alternatively, just ftp the whole shebang to ur hdd. (if you can manage without the source rpm:s it's a couple of gigs. Then run the live cd, and youll have the possibility to mount your directory containing your packages. This will keep you fromin blind rage throwing your computer out the window when the ftp link dies mid-install. (And it probably will, trust me)
DISCLAIMER:I tried this one or two minor versions ago, and it worked then. They may have changed sometheing now, to make it not work. Also, I don't remember if it was possible to make bootdisks for the old-fashioned of us./DISCLAIMER
The stars that shine and the stars that shrink
in the face of stagnation the water runs before your eyes
This really pisses me off.
This is a typical example of take it for free, give nothing back.
SuSE have put a lot of work into their distros and deserve to be paid for them.
Once you buy it, you can update it for free.
Why should they give away all their hardwork for free.
Yeah yeah, debian do it, but they aren't paying people and don't have bills to cover.
Stop whinging about getting it for free.
SuSE costs money and if you don't like it don't buy it.
I usually *purchase* one version in each major series of SuSE, not because I need to, but because I think
a) it is worth it
b) to support the company
On the distro wars, f*ck it use which ever bl00dy distro you want and stop bitching about others.
Free choice doesn't mean you have to slag off the competion.
I think SuSE rocks and is the best distro by a long way for professional users.... if you want to use redhat or pinkcoat that's your choice....
Alanp
I realized it's only supporting the WebDAV protocol for synching with Exchange 2000 or later. It still doesn't do the MAPI-over-RPC native protocol of Exchange.
sigs are a waste of space
Apart from the fact that you are obviously mad, or George Bush (if there even is a difference).
There were Europeans in thos buildings too, you know.
Siemens, a major German company, had offices there.
Germany, France and the rest of Europe do not support Bin Laden or Saddam (which are two different matters anyway).
But Europe is not a puppet for the USA either.
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
Prior versions had 1 dvd that contained everything contained on the included 6 cds. Now they use 2 dvds and only 5 cds - it appears the people without dvd players to install the software will be getting less in the professional package. How else can they explain the need for another DVD at the same time they are reducing the amount of software cds. Is it SuSE way of slowly abandoning those customers that do not own dvd players?
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I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Oh, and how you are bocotting french wine: You BUY the wine and then you dump the wine in the sewerage. These pictures looked EXACTLY like the pictures of arabs burning a US flag - except there's no flag involved.
And you claim to live in the civillized world while arabs are uncivillized sandmonkeys.
And one last thing: Don't forget that the Statue of Liberty is a present from france. Burn it down.
Actually, SuSE and RedHat are not separate entities, but part of all Linux. And Linux is part of all operating systems.
So there is no "either/or" - - all are the same. The one you have before you in this moment is the only one, and at the same time, it is every one. Give your full attention to the OS before you, and see all that it is. When you run Redhat, everything is Redhat; when you run SuSE, everything is SuSE. There is no quality that is "SuSE." There is no quality that makes RedHat "RedHat." What will you take away from SuSE to make it not-SuSE? So there is no identity to take away, or to give. There is no form to take away. In emptiness, we are all one.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
Im not sure where so many people have got the idea that SuSE is not free any more. SuSE, like all linux, is and always will be free.
Perhaps part of the confusion stems from the commercial (ie paid for by SuSE) software that is bundled with SuSE when you purchase a distro but is not available to download for free. I buy the professional distro EVERY minor version release, not because I need to but because I want to support SuSE. In yast, the SuSE set up tool, you may set the installation medium to be the SuSE ftp site and update all you want. You can install from scratch like this as well and even update your core system (although this will require you to burn a FREE to download cd also)
Just because a company lets you buy their linux distro in a shiny box with a bunch of lovely manuals, some cool stickers (which im glad to say are back in 8.1 after 8.0s notable absence) and literally tens of thousands of software packages, many of which you would otherwise have to PAY FOR, I really dont see why anyone complains.
ISOs are available for non i386 SuSE distros, but as has already been pointed out, downloading nearly 6 gigs when you are not even going to install it all seems a tad wasteful on the old bandwidth. Bandwidth which I might add SuSE have to pay for somewhere along the line. If you can afford the time online to download 7 CDs then you will have no problem installing the system you want over ftp.
SuSE Linux can be downloaded for FREE from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/I tested the latest state of Cooker (which is the 9.1 pre-final), and it's incredibly good. They have:
- a completely new and redesigned (and simplified) installation procedure, never saw something so efficient and fast
- a completely redesigned desktop in GNOME & KDE (it's called MandrakeGalaxy and has *great* new icons...)
- anti-aliased fonts everywhere, this provides a great comfort of use...
There are also cool features such as NTFS partition resizing, WiFi support and others.
And the best of all is that for 10 days they seem to be only focusing on intensive debuging and frankly it's hard to find any bug left in this distribution!
My feeling is that MDK 9.1 is going to be a real bomb in the Linux world - it's so full featured, easy to use, powerful... I would call it "Ultimate"!
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
We *know* Saddam had tons of chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction so what happened to them? The burden of proof isn't on the inspectors to *prove* Iraq has weapons. It is Iraq's job to show the inspectors documentation that proves that they destroyed their weapons of mass destruction. If we were to go by the South African model of disarmament (which most in the UN agree is an almost perfect model) the inspectors are basically auditors. Now I work for a fortune 500 company and let me explain how audits work. Auditors come in a request information. We provide the information and any backup to that info that they request. If we don't provide the requested documentation and backup we'd be in very hot water very quickly.
Auditing is not an easter egg hunt like these inspections appear to be. Blix has said that Iraq's documentation is insufficient. Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction in the past. What happened to them?! No one knows and Iraq won't/can't provide credible evidence/documentation that they've destroyed these weapons. So we're just to assume that Saddam has been a nice little boy and has gotten rid of them? Iraq is not actively complying with the inspectors and only letting inspectors look around. Guess what... they aren't going to find anything in a state the size of California. Its just too easy to hide things in a land of this size. There will *never* be anything close to the disarmament of Iraq without the active participation of Saddam as long as he is in power. You simply cannot expect him to give up these powerful weapons willingly. He has thumbed his nose at UN resolutions and inspections for 11 years. What makes you think he will suddenly see the light and disarm willingly? Assuming Saddam will do anything but delay and hinder disarmament attempts is pure fantasy.
G. Washington on Government "it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Right? If I can't download the code, make ANY modifications I want and then redistribute it in ISO or other form what the hell good is it? That's not linux, that's some proprietary bullshit hassle.
Suse may make contributions but the their software is Non-Free or "free as in beer" only. Thus in my mind their the same as Lindows, Xandros et al.
Too many strings make Suse worthless to me and its why I'll never use it. That's also why it will never fit the definition of truly free software.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I'm running SuSE 8.1 on three machines right now - my home system, my laptop, and my work PC. I am still learning Linux, but I have tried quite a few distros and the lack of ISO images for SuSE dosen't bother me. Why? Because the FTP install is bulletproof! All I've ever needed to install SuSE on anything was three floppies and the IP of a local mirror.
Sure, it takes hours, but just check off the packages you want, light fuse and get away! Set it before you go to bed, it's done in the morning (at least on cable/T1) - no swapping discs or anything like that. If you're looking to install onto multiple PCs, just mirror the distro locally. It's no bigger than a few ISOs would be. SuSE is also the ONLY distro I've gotten to install via FTP - most others made it so difficult that I had to download the ISOs.
Just my experience, your milage may vary.