Other kinds of poems might be better?
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DeepDarkSky
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Poems rhyme and have a regular meter and that's what makes it easier for us to remember (songs with catchy, rhyming lyrics are the same). Haikus are not exactly easier to remember because they don't rhyme (although the fixed number of syllables help).
I could be wrong, but I think it might be better to use another kind of poetry for this?
funny one!
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
This one for barium just cracks me up!
the bitter cocktail
of a colonoscopy --
grin and barium
hmm...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
Element poems Until Slashdotted link. I am sad.
What a waste of mental effort
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The+Tyro
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Is anyone actually forced to memorize the periodic table these days? Talk about a pointless rote memorization task...
I thought "learning" like this went the way of the dinosaurs in the 80's (of course, I teach on the university level, so I'm a bit removed from elementary education). Can any education types confirm that this kind of thing still goes on?
I subscribe to the penguin theory of learning. After a certain point, your brain only holds so many recallable facts, just like an iceberg can hold only so many penguins. After that, for each new one you add, an old one must be shoved off (or at least relegated to subconscious long-term storage). I know memory is theoretically infinite, and that everything we learn is supposedly deep down in there somewhere, waiting for the right moment to be dredged up... but this kind of memorization is a waste of space on the iceberg.
No way in sacrificing childhood memories for the periodic table... too easy to just go look up a copy.
-- Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
Re:What a waste of mental effort
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ramzak2k
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Your argument sounds like
"why waste precious use of mental resources by making students multiply and divide instead of handing them over calculaters ?"
There arent many who subscribe to the iceberg theory that you have mentioned. Memory is just like any other muscle - train it , keep it sharp and it will help you. Knowing to memorize something like the periodic table after all involves knowing what exactly helps your brain remember things - for some it might be a rhyme like the haiku and for others it could be pictures for association . Either way, it helps develop a skill!
--
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
Re:What a waste of mental effort
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arvindn
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Is anyone actually forced to memorize the periodic table these days? Talk about a pointless rote memorization task...
I thought "learning" like this went the way of the dinosaurs in the 80's (of course, I teach on the university level, so I'm a bit removed from elementary education). Can any education types confirm that this kind of thing still goes on?
I'm from India, and I can confirm that such pointless torture of students is the norm here:(
I was forced to memorize the periodic table when I was in high school.
Not only that, no calculators allowed until you are in university. Every time someone tries to change it, the luddites start screaming that use of calculators harms the students' powers of mental arithmetic and so on.
In the case of the periodic table, though, I'm actually not sure it is completely pointless: the properties of the elements are to a great extent dependent on their position in the table. If you involuntarily "see" an element in its position in the table whenever it is talked about, then you get to correlate its properties to its position much better, and you understand it better.
At least, that's the idea. The question is whether the purported gains are worth the effort.
I subscribe to the penguin theory of learning. After a certain point, your brain only holds so many recallable facts, just like an iceberg can hold only so many penguins. After that, for each new one you add, an old one must be shoved off (or at least relegated to subconscious long-term storage). I know memory is theoretically infinite, and that everything we learn is supposedly deep down in there somewhere, waiting for the right moment to be dredged up... but this kind of memorization is a waste of space on the iceberg.
I'm not sure about the waste of space part. Sure, brain space is finite. However, you remember a zillion important details about your everyday life. The more things you consciously memorize, the faster the useless things are going to get dumped out of your brain. And memorizing more actually makes you better at storing and recalling things. OTOH, this kind of memorization is a huge waste of time, and is hence unjustifiable.
BTW, some people might _want_ to memorize completely pointless things by rote for whatever reason. For instance, I memorized 1000 digits of pi:-)
Well, the 5-7-5 is often adhered to in Japanese haiku, but as I understand it, the idea of the haiku is to express some thought with a certain sort of spontenaity. It's more about method than form. The idea is to be contemplating some idea, and then simply write the haiku immediately without deliberating about how to fit it into some arbitrary form. My understanding is that the 5-7-5 myth is akin to "Columbus discovered america" that I also learned in 4th grade -- it's so oversimplified that it is no longer strictly true.
A little chant...
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Colz+Grigor
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· Score: 5, Interesting
My father, a chemical engineer, was forced to learn this chant in his days at RPI. He taught it to me during junior year chemistry in high school. It helped a lot in remembering valences. Heck, without it, I doubt I'd even remember what a valence was...
HAgLiNaK HAgLiNaK CuBaCaFePbZnMg AlFeBiNiKr AlFeBiNiKr SiC SiC SiC
Yeah, so this isn't quite a haiku, but it got me by. Only other thing he taught me from his RPI days, the RPI Cheer: e to the x, dy/dx e to the x, dy cosine, secant, tangent, sine three point one four one five nine square root, cubed root, log of pi disintegrate 'em RPI!
I guess what I really learned was that a bunch of nerds went to RPI.
::Colz Grigor
Re:A little chant...
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Spunk
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· Score: 3, Interesting
the RPI Cheer: e to the x, dy/dx e to the x, dy cosine, secant, tangent, sine three point one four one five nine square root, cubed root, log of pi disintegrate 'em RPI!
The RPI Cheer, you say? Interesting. My Alma Mater calls it the WPI Fight Song. And supposedly we stole it from MIT anyway:-p
...
Holy crap. After searching google, quite a few other schools call it their own:
If you want to get more technical...
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chiasmus1
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· Score: 4, Interesting
The real Japanese haikus can have 5,7,5 syllables, but it is not the syllables that are counted. The Japanese count the letters, which I might add can sometimes be only part of a syllable.
ryo is a combination of ri and yo, but makes one syllable. It would be counted as two letters. On the other hand, n can be by itself. As in something like the Karate Kids Daniel-san. Sa and n are different letters and count as two, but they form a single syllable.
Sesame-Street-Alphabet-Song method
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sanqui
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· Score: 3, Interesting
I remember Big Bird singing a song about an incredible word: Ab-ca-def-ghi-jk-l-m-nop-... you get the idea. The day before my Grade 11 Chemistry Exam I used the same method, and can still bring it back 10 years later:
When Hydrogen Tech played Oxygen U,
the game had just begun,
when Hydrogen racked up two fast points,
and Oxygen still had none.
Then Oxygen scored a single goal,
and thus it did remain,
at Hydrogen 2 and Oxygen 1,
called because of rain.
Memorizing the Periodic Table
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Arrgh
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· Score: 4, Insightful
In grade 8 we were asked to memorize the first twenty elements of the periodic table. Of course I put it off way too long and ended up cramming the night before the test. So I just made up a little mnemonic poem. Here it is in phonetic form:
Hydrogen Helim Lithium Beryllium (that's as far as I got with the names) Bicknoffnee Namgal Sipsclarkca
In symbolic form, that's H He Li Be B C N O F Ne Na Mg Al Si P S Cl Ar K Ca. Can't forget the damned thing after seventeen years.
The obligatory chemisty poem.... that rhymes.
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Nick+Driver
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· Score: 4, Funny
A mosquito was heard to complain That a chemist had poisoned his brain The cause of his sorrow Was para-dichloro- diphenyltrichloroethane
Poems rhyme and have a regular meter and that's what makes it easier for us to remember (songs with catchy, rhyming lyrics are the same). Haikus are not exactly easier to remember because they don't rhyme (although the fixed number of syllables help).
I could be wrong, but I think it might be better to use another kind of poetry for this?
I already memorized the Tom Leher song.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Come on WTF?
Some of those are not haikus
chemists are retards
Hint: read heliums...
Science and Poems
Merged in novel harmony
But for what purpose?
Lyrics and all can be found here: /ex
lyrics and quicktime versions of Tom Lehrer's Elements song
the bitter cocktail
of a colonoscopy --
grin and barium
Element poems
Until Slashdotted link.
I am sad.
Is anyone actually forced to memorize the periodic table these days? Talk about a pointless rote memorization task...
I thought "learning" like this went the way of the dinosaurs in the 80's (of course, I teach on the university level, so I'm a bit removed from elementary education). Can any education types confirm that this kind of thing still goes on?
I subscribe to the penguin theory of learning. After a certain point, your brain only holds so many recallable facts, just like an iceberg can hold only so many penguins. After that, for each new one you add, an old one must be shoved off (or at least relegated to subconscious long-term storage). I know memory is theoretically infinite, and that everything we learn is supposedly deep down in there somewhere, waiting for the right moment to be dredged up... but this kind of memorization is a waste of space on the iceberg.
No way in sacrificing childhood memories for the periodic table... too easy to just go look up a copy.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
"56 Barium
the bitter cocktail
of a colonoscopy --
grin and barium"
lesson for us all:
nerds good at periodic,
bad at humorous.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I still think some of his finest work was embodied in the old classic poisoning pigeons in the park.
I love that one...
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
None of these are true haikus. A true haiku has 5-7-5 sylables and must have a kigo or seasonal theme.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Well, the 5-7-5 is often adhered to in Japanese haiku, but as I understand it, the idea of the haiku is to express some thought with a certain sort of spontenaity. It's more about method than form. The idea is to be contemplating some idea, and then simply write the haiku immediately without deliberating about how to fit it into some arbitrary form. My understanding is that the 5-7-5 myth is akin to "Columbus discovered america" that I also learned in 4th grade -- it's so oversimplified that it is no longer strictly true.
HAgLiNaK HAgLiNaK
CuBaCaFePbZnMg
AlFeBiNiKr AlFeBiNiKr
SiC SiC SiC
Phoenetically:
Haglinak, haglinak
koobakafapibzinmig
alfabiniker alfabiniker
sick sick sick
Yeah, so this isn't quite a haiku, but it got me by. Only other thing he taught me from his RPI days, the RPI Cheer:
e to the x, dy/dx
e to the x, dy
cosine, secant, tangent, sine
three point one four one five nine
square root, cubed root, log of pi
disintegrate 'em RPI!
I guess what I really learned was that a bunch of nerds went to RPI.
The real Japanese haikus can have 5,7,5 syllables, but it is not the syllables that are counted. The Japanese count the letters, which I might add can sometimes be only part of a syllable.
ryo is a combination of ri and yo, but makes one syllable. It would be counted as two letters. On the other hand, n can be by itself. As in something like the Karate Kids Daniel-san. Sa and n are different letters and count as two, but they form a single syllable.
H-HeLi-BeB-C-NOF-Ne
NaM-gAlSiPS-ClArKCa
Sc-TiV-Cr-Mn-FeCoNi-CuZn
Not the most attractive (or pronouncable) words, but it worked for me...
When Hydrogen Tech played Oxygen U,
the game had just begun,
when Hydrogen racked up two fast points,
and Oxygen still had none.
Then Oxygen scored a single goal,
and thus it did remain,
at Hydrogen 2 and Oxygen 1,
called because of rain.
In grade 8 we were asked to memorize the first twenty elements of the periodic table. Of course I put it off way too long and ended up cramming the night before the test. So I just made up a little mnemonic poem. Here it is in phonetic form:
Hydrogen Helim Lithium Beryllium (that's as far as I got with the names)
Bicknoffnee Namgal Sipsclarkca
In symbolic form, that's H He Li Be B C N O F Ne Na Mg Al Si P S Cl Ar K Ca. Can't forget the damned thing after seventeen years.
A mosquito was heard to complain
:-|
That a chemist had poisoned his brain
The cause of his sorrow
Was para-dichloro-
diphenyltrichloroethane
Bwahahaha, that's funny, now everybody laugh