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Military Grade Laptops

bllb writes "Slate has an article about the "waterproof, vaporproof, shockproof" laptops the military is using. It's not at the cutting edge of performance, but it's nice to see some bombproof hardware." Most of the laptops I've owned over the years died through dropping or drowning, so maybe I should look into something a little more sturdy ;)

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  1. Be more careful! by name_already_taken · · Score: 5, Funny
    Or buy a Panasonic toughbook.

    Seriously though, I've owned laptops for about ten years now and I've never dropped one.Stop coating your hands with butter before you pick the laptop up!

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    1. Re:Be more careful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is what the Canadian Army uses. Rugged especially the CF-27 although the 28 is a bit less rugged.

  2. wtf?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We drop each one 54 times from one meter, bake it in an oven, chill it in a freezer, vibrate it, and submit it to a shower of hurricane proportions,"

    Who the fuck would buy a beaten up piece of shit like that??

  3. Military computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember a Washington Post Article where some Marine Private was evaluating his 733t new computer. "I could beat someone to death with this battery pack..."

  4. Re:crazy price... by pbranes · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, if you believe that, then the laptop isn't for you. They say in the article that it is meant for people who work in hazardous areas and need a working laptop that can stand up to whatever they can throw at it, not a fast & cheap laptop.

    I don't think I'd buy one of these laptops either because I'm not likely to be fighting a chemical spill or a fire while working on my laptop.

  5. toughbooks by hawwy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    wired ran an article a few weeks ago about how the army was using rugged panasonic laptops for operations. one of their gis guys was having trouble manipulating huge images with them and had the government ship over a titanium powerbook which is apparently holding up fine.

  6. "waterproof, vaporproof, shockproof" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    OK, what about aweproof?

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  7. Reliable Hardware Platforms Deserve Solid Software by n9fzx · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Reliable hardware is of course a Good Thing, but without some improvements in software reliability, you're buying a HumVee when a Yugo would do. The old Bell Labs standard called for 1/3 of system faults to be ascribed to hardware, 1/3 to software, and 1/3 to operator error. Most available operating systems clearly aren't there yet, and can't even match the reliability of existing off-the-shelf motherboards and power supplies.

    Having said that, it's also clear that some operating systems, owing to their monlithic architecture, will never improve. At least with Unix, you can discard what you don't need, reducing the volume of code that has to be checked. That's a major reason why Microsoft's "Trustworthy Computing" initiative is such a joke -- you can't get rid of the crapola, heck you can't even see the crapola!

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  8. when was the last time you hosed off your ibook? by w1r3sp33d · · Score: 5, Informative

    My wife used to work for Itronix and these will run indefinetly at 140 degrees (the official numbers.) While I was in the infantry I once spent the month of August in Death Valley and I can tell you we NEVER hit 140, 127 with MOPP4 and kevlar is no picnic, but it wouldn't of phased this laptop. They don't have the high end horse power of the p4 laptop I am on right now, but knowing what these things can go through, they are amazing.

  9. Hardened hard drives by 87C751 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Hard drives can be made to withstand a lot of punishment. 10 years ago, I saw a demo at a trade show where a 2.5" HP hard drive was attached to the end of a 30" bar. A motor and crank lifted the end of the bar 18" above a steel plate and then dropped it. There was an O-scope hooked up to the read channel, and it barely fluctuated at impact.

    Granted, I don't expect consumer-channel equipment to be that strong.

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  10. Re:iBooks... by zozzi · · Score: 5, Funny
    FYI, iBooks are also very, very sturdy. Mine took a leap from a table (~3ft up) due to dog, and survived. And it was on, with the screen open, and CD-ROM drive out (It shootso ut form the side). And it landed on its side.

    Did the dog survive after all this???

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  11. Re:iBooks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good for you. Most laptops can survive a 3 foot drop. Try doing a google search for laptop + 3 + feet + drop and see all the people talking about all their laptops that they dropped 3 feet and had them survive.

    All your ibook has to do now is survive being baked in an oven, chilled in a freezer, vibrated, and submitted to a shower of hurricane proportions, and then it is relevant to this article.

    Disclaimer: I own an ibook and am, in fact, typing on it now.

  12. I spent 2 yrs playing IT guy for a tank battalion by disputin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The laptop isn't the problem. Most people are smart
    enough to keep it out of the rain and dust. Most of the components are sealed. The real problem was copiers and printers. If someone made a copier or printer that could be bounced around working in heat, cold and dust, they'd make a killing with the US Army.

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  13. Offical Specs by CyberSlugGump · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.gobookmax.com/gobookmax/images/gobookma x.pdf

    Mobile Pentium III/700, 256 MB of PC100 SDRAM, 20 GB IBM DJSA-200 hard disk, external 10x TEAC USB CD-ROM, external USB floppy, 4MB Silicon Motion LynxEM+ graphics, 10.4in SVGA touchscreen TFT, ESS Allegro PCI audio, integrated mono speaker, V.90 modem, integrated CISCO Wirelsss LAN PC Card, one Type II PC Card slot, plus support for VGA, serial and two USB, Windows 2000 Professional. Dimensions: 284 x 233 x 62mm (W x D x H) excludion handle. Weight 3.3 kg. [7.28 pounds]

    Note: The PDF wouldn't let me copy and paste the text, but I think I got it all right.

  14. Check out these mega-lunchboxen. by LaminatorX · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dolch has been making these sorts of things for years now. Mostly aimed at scientific, construction, and engeneering field work (the military only started widely deploying laptops fairly recently). Their laptops can handle 15G's while running and 50 when turned off.

  15. Re:crazy price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is because your data is 100% worthless. Even to you by your own admission.

    The panasonic toughbook and the military units contain priceless data and in the military people will DIE if it fails.

    you are a consumer with absolutely useless and value-less data.

    it is not for you.

  16. 54 times? by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    We drop each one 54 times from one meter

    This seems rather time consuming. Why don't they just drop them once from a height of 54 meters? That would be the same, right?

    :-)

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  17. Re:iBooks... by edmo · · Score: 5, Informative

    To anser all the people asking if the ibook can stand up to more than 1 fall, the anser is yes
    there are currently 3 ibooks in my immediate family, and all have been dropped several times(usually resulting from younger siblings wanting a turn). The highest drop mine has taken was about 2.5 meters and there is no notable damage aside from a few scratches here and there.
    while I haven't tried myself I do remember reading that ibooks can survive some time in an oven, being run over by trucks, being hit in the screen w/ a baseball bat, in fact I'm fairly certain they can survive water, altho not when on(apples old 5300's could)...

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  18. i build similar machines by snyrt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i'm a pre-production engineer from technology advancement group, a company in dulles, va. we build systems very similar, though we've moved away from the laptops and build mostly rack mounted systems. our systems are build to be ruggedized from the component level in order to survive more shock than any other system around. all the chassis are custom designed and all components are tested thoroughly. our most impressive test is the barge test. we take our machine, put it inside it's fiberglass case, turn it on and link up to it with a wireless connection. we put it on a small barge in a lake and detonate depth charges beneath the barge. most of the time the barge will fall apart, the machine will go flying in the air and land floating in the water. while all this is happening it is linked to a system on land which is monitoring its work. we don't sell a system unless it can go through this test without missing a step. this is the beauty of ruggedized computers. there's a video of a barge test on our website

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  19. Re:crazy price... by Longing · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a professional soldier, so here's what I have to say.

    If I'm called on to go to visit my colleagues who are already in Iraq, I'll be carrying over 130 lbs of protective gear, weapons, ammo, rucksack and equipment, and the bulk of it goes on my back. A plane and a parachute gets me to my DZ and I walk from there.

    Military equipment is bulky and heavy. Take the PLGR (Precision Lightweight GPS Receiver). The last picture shows it's size. This puppy weighs 2.75 pounds and is huge. Compare to any Garmin, Magellan, Lowrance and others whose products weigh less than a pound and are a quarter of the size. (Blah, blah, Selective Availability. Another discussion.)

    Another example: The Mortar Ballistic Computer weighs 7 lbs and makes my Gameboy Advance (cheap entertainment in the field) look like a Cray Supercomputer. Oh, and it's roughly 20x larger than the GBA.

    So if I had the room in my ruck for a laptop (I don't), and I could justify spending $4500 on it - four months' pay (I took a slight paycut when I quit my sysadmin job in Silicon Valley for the opportunity to get gassed in Iraq), you could bet I'd be buying one of these and not FOUR pieces of crap that are going to break when I hit the DZ.

    Cheers! :)

  20. Re:30%? by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Funny

    54 is such a strange number.
    I guess after the 55th drop it was dead :)

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