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Plasmon Exhibits Working Blue Laser DVD Drive

tedgyz writes "CDR-Info has an article describing the first working prototype of a blue-violet laser optical disk drive. The drive boasts 30GB of storage, dubbed Ultra Density Optical (UDO). The article has technical details and images of the drive and media." We've been hearing about the advantages of blue light for seemingly years now. It's cool to see a product prepare for market that actually uses it.

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  1. Soon by stanmann · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'll see this soon... does that mean before or after Duke Nukem Forever

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    1. Re:Soon by old7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      After Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood of Arms but before Duke Nukem Forever.

      Old7

  2. As a side note... by Hayzeus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is only slightly relevant, as these aren't laser diodes, but but I noticed this AM standard long-wave UV LEDs have hit the electronics surplus market in big numbers lately for cheep (All Electronics has these at $1.75). All you experimenters out there can stock up now!

  3. We can't stop with blue! by petronivs · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've been hearing about the advantages of blue light for seemingly years now.

    We can't stop with blue light! We need to branch out into purple, yellow, even magenta! Soon all the colours of the world will be under our umbrella, and we will be all powerful!

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    1. Re:We can't stop with blue! by thinkninja · · Score: 2, Funny

      SPECTRUM is green!

      *bump, ba-bump, ba-bum*

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  4. Awfull read/write speed? by NorthDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it me or it would take an awfull lot of time to fill in this drive?

    At 4MB/sec and a total capacity of 30 gig, it would take 2 hours and 8 minutes to burn the media.
    And half that time to read it all?!?

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    1. Re:Awfull read/write speed? by axis-techno-geek · · Score: 5, Informative
      This is still faster than a 24x CD-R burner (24 x 150 KB/s = 3600 KB/s = 3.52 MB/s). 4x DVD writing is 5.54 MB/S and they are in the fifth generation.

      Not as fast a tape drives for writing (you can get 22 MB/s with compression 2:1, 11 MB/s real), but the random access capabilities of this type of media would put a tape to shame.

      Their aimed at replacing MO drives, I currently don't know anybody with one of these at home, as they are still expensive (about $1500 USD). The people using these I am guessing are very interested in long-term archiving without degradation.

      Seeing how this is a first generation drive, I guess this is "1x" speed, when the get the 60GB (2nd gen) and 120GB (3rd gen) drives out, if they double this in each generation, that would give you a "4x" (16 MB/sec - equivalent to a 109x CD-R) 120GB drive, this would still take 2 hrs 8 min to fill at "4x", but a 30 GB disc would only take 32 minutes.

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  5. Just as DVD-R approaches affordability... by Gossy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ..they have to torment me with 30Gb drives. As I work up to getting a DVD-R, now they're under £200 I've been thinking 'Ah great, smaller stacks of CDs, easier backups..' - and but with these it'd be even easier.

    Great. Can't sit around forever I guess, though.

    It'd be nicer if optical media had kept pace with hard drive storage. At least it's now starting to catch up - I spotted in the article that "Future generations of drives and media will increase the usable capacity of discs to 60GB and 120GB. Backward read capability will be maintained throughout the whole product roadmap."

    120GB on a single disk? Optical media may be really useful once again - providing it's cheap enough, soon enough.

    1. Re:Just as DVD-R approaches affordability... by jandrese · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, in a few years you will be able to pick these up for $200 in a blue light special. Of couse by then they'll be too small to be really useful, like your CDs are now.

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  6. Uses by Fascist+Christ · · Score: 2, Funny

    It supports the new UDO disks and it is developed for professional data storage markets, covering archiving, document imaging, call centers, email archiving, GIS, medical, telecom, banking, insurance, legal and government.

    ... and for the non-professional data storage of personal pictures, pr0n pictures, legal music, pirated music, movies, and pr0n videos.

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  7. Sounds like a Jellyroll Morton tune... by CommieLib · · Score: 2, Funny

    The laser's woman done him wrong...

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  8. This is good news for the moral community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have always been wary about purchasing a so-called "red laser" DVD unit due to the historical ties that the color red has to Communism. Communism, as you are probably aware, resulted in hundreds of millions of death in the 20th Century. I could not, as a moral man, purchase a laser of this color. Who could sit down and watch Attack of the Clones without thoughts of the Soviet gulags distracting you?

    Blue is the color of capitalism. It is also the color of patriotism and masculinity (as opposed to red, which is very close to the feminine color of pink.) It warms the heart to know that I can now watch my John Wayne collection on a moral device that is consistent with the ideals that I donned my country's uniform for in Grenada and Panama.

    1. Re:This is good news for the moral community by DeadSea · · Score: 2, Funny
      Even better, you and your friends will no longer have sneak over to the "red light" district to purchase one of these players. The players will soon be available in the safer, more upright, "blue light" special district (where you always get the best deal).

      Critics may say that some people will try to use the new blue laser dvds to watch their old "red laser" content, thrust at them by the marketing engines of the sinful pornography industry, but we are working on new DMCA protected schemes so that you will not have to see this filth on your shiny new blue laser player.

  9. standard??? by thadeusPawlickiROX · · Score: 5, Interesting
    UDO is about to become the next generation standard on 5.25-inch optical drive technology, replacing the existing magneto-optical (MO) base of drives and discs of the same diameter.
    So this is about to become the standard? IMHO, there are still issues with normal DVD's with standards (DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD R, etc.). I think this is a step forward, but I think all the companies manufacturing the new line of blue laser DVD burners need to agree with a standard and keep with it. The other point though... when will this "generation" be the current technology? I still think that by the time the drives and media are cost effective, you might as well buy a hard drive to store the data. Yes, I know that obsolete technology like the floppy disk is still around, but I still think that 30, or even the possible 120 gigs as seen in the article will be too small by the time the drives hit the main market at reasonable price.
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  10. Not only that... by inertia187 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But in about ten years, they will combine this technology with that technology and dub it "Density Optical Hybrid" (DOH!).

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  11. ultraviolet by mangu · · Score: 3, Informative

    The purpose in using blue instead of red is because blue has a shorter wavelength. Going further, the next step is in ultraviolet LEDs for shorter wavelengths and higher storeage densities.

  12. Blue Light Special!! by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny
    Attention K-Mart Shoppers! Available Now!

    (you heard it here first, get used to it)

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  13. Re:FIGHT THE POWER!!! by mike77 · · Score: 2, Funny
    you'll be heard from a slashdot forum?

    riiiigggghhhhttt.......

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  14. Cartridges by Sophrosyne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank God they used cartridges in this thing! That solves a plethora of headaches.
    Lets hope that the big software makers like Sony/Matsushita et al. decide to use cartridges when they release their (possibly blue laser) HD-DVD players next year (presumably).
    Nothing is worse than having media skip from a mere fingerprint or a slight scratch- especially when you are watching a movie!

  15. Re:Until I have it in my computer.... by osgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm usually pretty quick to cry "vapor", but these blue-laser DVDs are already a proven concept to lots of companies in their consortium, and they have a standard for it. Unlike other vaporish storage technologies that are always too good to be true, promoted by a small unknown company, rely upon nebulous revolutions in technology, etc. -- blue ray DVDs and their ilk are on the way.

    It's a done deal, now we're just waiting to see who wins the race to get them out first.

  16. First prototype? by Noksagt · · Score: 2, Informative

    If there haven't been prototypes, how is Sony going to start selling them in a few weeks? What am I missing?

  17. Re:Not when you see the price by LibertineR · · Score: 3, Insightful
    With the current reliability of hard drives outside of RAID 5, this might be worth the money. I dont like having to devote 5 drives to a SCSI Array just to insure I dont lose data. If I can move a lot of rarely used crap over to a disk of that size, I think it would be a good deal.

    I've had 3 Seagate 18Gb Ultra SCSI drives die in the last 6 months.

  18. How resistent to dust and scratches? by haggar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am very well aware of the rendundant coding used to provide for a certain amount of resliance of the data, both on CDs and DVDs, but at a certain point when the data density becomes this high, I would imagine that the media would lose data when you just touch it.

    One thing that would put me at ease is a kind of media that is completely hermetically protected by a transparent plastic shell. Perhaps a stationary disk while the reader is the one to rotate. That way you wouldn't even need the hole for the rotating spindle.

    OTOH, with 30 GB, I can imagine I could put my whole collection of classical CD music on 5 UDOs, uncompressed. Or they will think about some abherration such as AudioDVD, so that the whole 30 GB will be just enough for some 60 minutes of music....

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    1. Re:How resistent to dust and scratches? by haggar · · Score: 2, Informative

      All this would do is move the potential for damage from the media to the shell.

      That's not entirely correct. The way CDs/DVDs work is that they actually focus the laser ray with a little but powerful lens, a few millimeters above the CD/DVD. Small optical obstacles that are somewhat removed (distanced) from the focal point, which is the surface of the media will interfere much less with the signal than it would do if on the surface itself.

      That's exactly why dual layer DVDs can work! You focus the laser about half a millimeter lower in order to read the lower layer, while the middle layer doesn't interfere at all.

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  19. Re:Not when you see the price by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Only $1/gig? Probably much more then that. And, these discs are in cartridges (which personally I think normal DVD's should have been like) so that will add a little cost too.

    I'm betting at least $60 a disc when they first hit market.

    Cool stuff though, and I'd love to have a re-writable version of this for a real backup solution without mucking around with DLT tapes like I do now. (at home)

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  20. I may be nitpicking, but... by amalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Plasmon Exhibits Working Blue Laser DVD Drive"

    This is not DVD. It's an optical disk drive, which uses much of the same technology as DVD, but is definitely not the same specification. You would not be able to read a blue-laser disc in any 100% DVD-compliant drive.

    Optical discs that can hold more than CD's are not necessarily them DVD's.

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  21. Mini-DVD's by rf0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would be cool if we could get these density DVD on an 8cm mini-DVD. That way it would be a nice solution for portable MP3 player/high denisity hard disk. Just a clue for any product people reading :)

    Rus

  22. DataPlay by jetkust · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about dataplay, 500MB in the size roughly of a quarter. Very neat, but i think they ended up filing for bankruptcy over competition with flash cards and hard drive based mp3 players. I think even Britney Spears was scheduled to release an album using this technology.

    1. Re:DataPlay by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Funny
      "What about dataplay, 500MB in the size roughly of a quarter ... I think even Britney Spears was scheduled to release an album using this technology."

      I thought she was scheduled to appear on an album cover wearing this technology.

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  23. Re:Not when you see the price by cbreaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I still think RAID is the #1 way to protect data from hardware failure. Backups are never the newest data, and generally backups are only used to recover data from user error, data traansportation (copy a large database to tape, mail it to DR site), archival. Way way down on the list is recovery due to hardware failure, because RAID is such a perfect solution.

    I worked at a data center with thousands of drives, some of them in a 30+ drive RAID set. In the five years I worked there, not once did we lose data due to drive failure.

    For home, IDE/ATA RAID is becomming more and more of a reality. When serial ATA comes to saturation, I forsee lots more built-in hardware raid functionality due to easy cable management.

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  24. Re:Not when you see the price by stanmann · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might want to look into ATA RAID solutions. I just built an ATA RAID 5 solution for less than $2 per Gigabyte.

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  25. Re:They come in cartridges by haggar · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am aware of those, but I have noticed the first (very fine) grains of dust inside some of the minidisks I have. I guess it's inevitable.

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  26. Re:Not when you see the price by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RAID still won't save you from user failure. Archives and backups are good :]

  27. blue laser diode!! by zod1025 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So when can I get my blue laser pen?

    Please, everybody, buy these drives! Drive the price down so I can get it three years from now.

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  28. Black Lite lasers by PenrosePattern · · Score: 2, Funny

    When the Black Lite lasers finally come out we'll finally be able to store trillions of Elvis and sad dog pictures.

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  29. Re:Not when you see the price by wurp · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's what we thought, until our RAID controller died catastrophically. Immediate and complete data loss.

    RAID is nice; daily backups are better. Both together, plus a revision controlled and journalling file system is best ;)

  30. Why have DVD in article title? by nedron · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nowhere in the Plasmon information does it call this a DVD drive. In fact, the CDR-Info page specifically points out that this is NOT DVD.

    It would be nice if the people releasing submissions would check the article titles for accuracy.

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