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Slashback: Revolutionism, Media, Oregon

Updates and clarifications in tonight's Slashback include word on the extra-theatrical availability of Revolution OS, consideration of Free software in Oregon. availability of HP's new streaming-audio toy (which does not play Ogg Vorbis), and more. Read on for the details. Bonus material is always, well ... bonus. Khyron writes "Revolution OS, the definitive documentary film on the evolution of Linux and the relationship between the Free Software and Open Source movements, is finally available for purchase on DVD! The 2-disc special edition set now available includes full-length commentary by the director, as well as an additional 70 minutes of interview footage, a still image gallery, biographies, a 113-page documents section, and even the 'Free Software Song' music video. Additionally, in the spirit of its subject matter, the DVDs are unencrypted and region-free. I have contacted the director, J.T.S. Moore, and he is eager to grant permission to LUGs to hold free screenings -- he asks that you contact him first to coordinate and he'll even list your screening on his website."

Sounds and pictures from the same box -- impossible! An anonymous reader writes "The HP Digital Media Receiver ( discussed here before) is available for sale at CompUSA and online. The wired version is $199, and the wireless one is $299.

I've been using it for a little while, and I really like it so far. It took a while for the PC software to start serving, but now its fine. It found all my playlists and digital photos on the first pass, and the network setup worked properly too. I'd like to see higher-resolution photos, but it's a pretty cool way to show the pictures to my less-techie friends.

Also, I installed the PC software on both of my home PCs, and the Receiver automatically finds the music on both! It did have a bunch of duplicates (which made it easy for me to go prune out all my dual mp3s), but it was pretty cool. You can't edit a playlist at the TV set, which is a bit of a bummer, but I use WinAmp on my PC anyway, and that worked fine. I like the interface on the TV a lot (although it's a little dull after a while), and it sorted most of my media properly. Some of my MP3s ended up in weird places, but I guess that's from the ID3 tags?

One other thing - I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the Receiver runs Linux. Did anyone else see this too? The only other thing about it I didn't really like was the lack of a reset button. There is a power button, but it didn't reset the device when I pushed it, so I had to unplug it once.

Anyhow, I'm sure there are going to be a ton more products like this one out there soon, but I definitely prefer this to the Prismiq and the Audiotron. It's a much more intuitive box, although a front-panel LCD would be a really nice add!"

Since the general welfare means you, too. Cooper Stevenson writes "Thanks to all of those who called, wrote, and emailed their Legislators in Oregon, House Bill 2892 will get a hearing as covered by the Oregonian:

'A new bill would make Oregon the first state to take a formal stance against the hefty fees and technological limitations of software produced by large corporations such as Microsoft.'

'A House committee is scheduled to consider a proposal that promotes "open-source" software, which doesn't charge recurring fees and enables customers to alter the software code, making it more compatible with other programs.'

Global neural links sought. Controlio writes "With the first truly televised war underway, for the first time we have media members armed with sat trucks chasing the folks with the automatic weapons around. Several fixed cameras are mounted around Baghdad, and members of the media from all around the world are sending reports from the field using sat uplinks and video phones. So the question is, those of you with access to a Big Dish, have you found any wild feeds yet? I live in Michigan (U.S.), and have only been able to pinpoint local media backhauls (like Fox's news backhaul to their local affiliates), but nothing from abroad. Anyone out there have any sat and channel information for either the Baghdad cams, foreign news agencies, or best of all, the news feeds from the front line?"

This question is a good followup to a recent question posted as an Ask Slashdot seeking unbiased news about the current war.

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  1. sound and video on a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember people used to say, when I would demonstrate my C-64 to them, that you would never be able to watch tv-quality video on the computer. Now when I play tv-quality video on my computer, I'm upset about how inferior it is, running in it's tiny little postage stamp frame and or all big and blocky.

    Course, we'll never be able to play HDTV on a computer.

    1. Re:sound and video on a PC by stwrtpj · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Course, we'll never be able to play HDTV on a computer.

      You realize, don't you, by actually saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point. Just like when people said man would not fly.

      Of course, this still doesn't explain the lack of flying cars ...

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    2. Re:sound and video on a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the way it is. Just as soon as you say a computer can't do it, someone makes a computer do it. But I'm quite sure that my computer can't run a realistic Uma Thurman simulation, with full tactile responses, just like a holodeck. Not possible.

    3. Re:sound and video on a PC by outZider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it does explain it. Man has said for ages that we *will* have flying cars. Hence, the total void of flying cars.

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    4. Re:sound and video on a PC by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You realize, don't you, by actually saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point. Just like when people said man would not fly.

      Well, watching HDTV with a computer has already happened. :) See the HDTV snapshots from the GNU Radio project site.

    5. Re:sound and video on a PC by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 4, Funny

      You realize, don't you, by actually saying that something will never happen, you have practically assured that it will happen at some point. Just like when people said man would not fly.

      You're never gonna get laid with that attitude...

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  2. Wild Feed by Z4rd0Z · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's a wild feed if anyone's interested.

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    1. Re:Wild Feed by joe_bruin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      actually, there are few useful wild feeds.
      the embedded news crews are equipped with encryption hardware (software?), so as not to make the information available to the enemy. same is true for field reports from kuwait and qatar.
      this may not be the case with the baghdad cams (where the iraqis may not have approved encryption equipment coming into the country), but those are not very interesting at the moment anyway.

  3. paradox by pangu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Revolution OS now available on media that the Revolution OS isn't supposed to be able to play...

    1. Re:paradox by gregfortune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not encrypted or region coded so it's perfectly legal to watch. The only contention arises when the DVD has been encrypted forcing us to break the encryption before we can watch the movie... Obviously, reading the entire post can be helpful sometimes...

    2. Re:paradox by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No paradox: the version of Xine that comes with Lycoris Linux and Mandrake 9.1 has the DVD Menu plugin which will allow you full access to the Revolution OS DVD. Since there is no CSS encryption, there is no problem.

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    3. Re:paradox by homer_ca · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually the MPEG2 codec is patented, so free DVD player software would be illegal in the US unless you paid your $2.50 to the MPEGLA.

    4. Re:paradox by Mithrandir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All of it - at least as far as they are going to tell you. Unfortunately, the way the MPEG group works is everyone submits that they have x number of patents to the -LA group. It totals up all the patents, divides the money received and sends the proportional amount to the individual patent holders. It's a core problem with the spec because nobody knows exactly what is patented and which patent applies where, just that there are a lot of them. In fact, it is known that many of the patent claims are bogus (expired, not actually applicable), but there's so many (thousands last I heard) that it's not even worth their while to sort out the mess.

      In the earlier processes, the patents were on the compression technology, not on the encoding or decoding. That's what Fraunhofer were going after all the free players with trying to force them to cough up non-existant money for licensing their patented compression technology. In that case, the patent was on how to compress the audio in a meaningful way and then extract the audio channel back again in hardware. They then managed to extend that claim to software implementations. The only reasone we know they had the patents on that particular piece of technology was that they stood out from the crowd and said "we own this, cough up the money now". Most of the time that doesn't happen - it just goes into an anonymous pool run by MPEG-LA.

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  4. About time by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Funny
    I had almost given up on ever seeing actually seeing Revolution OS.

    What's this, a free software music video? this is going to be one of dumbest, geekiest things ever created. I can't wait to watch it.

  5. Digital Media Player by doublesix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I highly recommend BroadQ's software. It uses a Sony Playstation to play MP3's DivX's etc over a home network. Its a work in progress but it rocks! BroadQ.co

  6. HP Digital Media Receiver doesn't support ogg... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Won't stop me from buying it.

    I'm all for Open standards, and I have all of my music encoded as ogg on my machine, but I have to say that I'm disappointed with the sound quality of it.

    You can debate it all you like, but I've found that Ogg produces some sound artifacts that MP3 doesn't, that are more irritating to my big ol' ears.

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  7. Revolution OS from HP by ralphart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    HP sent me a FREE copy.

    I got several calls from various marketing/survey types (must have clicked on a box on their website one day expressing interest in Linux) and after asking a few questions said they'd be sending me information. Imagine my surprise when the package contained a DVD of Revolution OS.

    Sorry to say I haven't watched it yet (kids thought it over-the-top geeky and refused access to the DVD player).

    1. Re:Revolution OS from HP by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      you need to get new kids. ;)

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  8. Re:Disturbing by valkraider · · Score: 4, Informative

    They left out that it is for state agencies, not for private companies. The bill is here: House Bill 2892. There have been other slash stories on it as well. And a nice Google Search can get tons of info.

    This is a good bill.

    Oregon also has some Bad Bills like SB742 which would create terrorists of peace protestors, give them life in prison, and require local law enforcement to monitor "questionable" organizations. Hmm. A nice Google search can net you more opinions on SB742. It is disturbing!

  9. Re:what player? by morgue-ann · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ogle and xine will play unencrypted DVDs if you are missing libdvdcss. In fact, xine has libdvdread and libdvdnav (and liba52?) in the main build now, so xine is all you need if you're playing libre discs.

    There aren't many region free and CSS free discs in the US, but The Man Who Fell to Earth (VALIS) is one.

    Revolution OS has been available from Netflix as a single disc since at least Christmas. My parents & sister watched it while visiting & learned more in 86 minutes about the open source movement than I could have told them in three hours.

    My mother had to quit a job teaching Windows apps because they crashed so much she was embarrased. She consults on medical billing stuff running on MUMPS & VAXen (i.e. stable), so she was happy to learn that an alternative to Microsoft has some real momentum.

  10. HP Digital Media Receiver by ryanr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Close, but not quite enough... I want a similar box with a DVD (ROM) drive in it, so one can walk up and play physical DVDs in it, too. I was all set to buy a GoVideo D2730, but SonicBlue decided to go bankrupt and sell off the product lines instead of releasing them.

    Yeah, I know, I DO plan to build a HTPC, but I'd like to have a box available in the $200-300 range that the wife and children can use as simply as a DVD player. I can take care of the media server behind the sceens myself. I'm not going to build a $1000 HTPC for each TV in the house...

    Ideally, the box would do 100bT (the HP box says it's 10), and I'd like it to run an OS that I get source for, so I can customize it. Oh, and a pony, I'd like a pony.

    Seriously though, I'd love to have the proverbial Linux set-top box, with maybe a 5 1/4 bay to accept a DVD drive (that could cost extra, I don't care that much.) The important bits are that it be AV-style casing, be in the $200-300 range, and have flawless, standard NTSC output. Doesn't need to be HDTV yet. Just composite and s-video, maybe component would be nice. Needs an IR input for remote as well. I'm actually willing to put up with the endless software upgrade cycle and small glitches that represent an immature or beta software base. I can upgrade/try other progs as needed.

    Anyone know of such a boxen that meets my criteria?

    1. Re:HP Digital Media Receiver by ryanr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The hardware's been availible for a really long time. Unfortunately, no software has come out to support it.

      I'm kinda seeing the opposite, at least for the hardware I'm looking for (as descibed in my original post). Specifically, I'm not seeing a lot of hardware that is in a small VCR-size case, perhaps solid-state, built-in IR receiver, video chipset specifically designed for TV output. I've seen a few set-top box announcements, but I'm not seeing them make it to market. Maybe software is the reason, I don't know.

      On the other hand, I see many Linux video-related software projects for general-purpose x86 PCs, if you don't mind spending the $1000 for decent hardware and having the noisy, large PC by the TV.

      What DO these people do with their HTPCs? How the heck do you effectively control windows/linux with a remote (other than moving the mouse around with a joystick)?

      You don't control the OS in general from a remote. (well, if you want to use your TV as a monitor, you can get wireless mice and keyboards.) For my application, you set the machine to boot with your AV application full-screen, and your remote talks to that. Think running Windows Media Player from a remote. All the functions you'd want to do could be done from a stardard universal remote, except for the naming & categorization tasks. For what I'm after, that's done on the server though, not the set-top boxes.

      We simply need a tivo-like application to organize all our videos, etc. Even the Digital Media Center edition of windows doesn't come close, handles music horribly, requires hardware mpeg compression, and STILL stresses a P4 (and yet the tivo can work easily with a 50mhz PPC chip). Sure, I know about mythTV and freevo - the two projects certainly look promising, but aren't even close to ideal yet (although linux is certainly winning this race, I'd like to see something from apple).

      That's what I'm talking about... In fact, the TIVO is just about exactly what I'm after, right down to running Linux. Problem is that it's not aimed at being a remote DVD player, but rather it's PVR function (duh). Plus the subscription fees and their attempts to keep it as closed as possible are really counter-productive to the kinds of projects I'd like to try. Still, the hardware base is about right, and the price would be about right without the large hard drives.

  11. Lacking Rendevous :( by miradu2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More important than Ogg support IMHO how HP decided not to implement the ZeroConf (apple's rendevous) stanered into this device. For consumers to realyl pick up on this, it needs to be plug and play - the ONLY way that will happen is if you don't have to set up anything.. Rendevous lets that happen. The new Tivo option will preform much better than this do to it's rendevous integration with computers.

    *sigh*... maybe in a firmware rev?

  12. OK then by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    'A new bill would make Oregon the first state to take a formal stance against the hefty fees and technological limitations of software produced by large corporations such as Microsoft.'

    I would like more information about this. States have tons of custom and commercial software packages they use for everything from tracking DUI offenders to registering kids in school districts. And those products more likely than not use things like databases and middleware things that are mostly OS-specific.

    Forget about Windows and Office for a sec and think about the costs related to moving all that to an "open" platform. Especially today, when most states are flat broke and pulling money away from programs like education and welfare.

    Does anyone have any real, specific information as to how Oregon plans to deal with this, outside of the all too familiar "oh, another blow to m$" static I keep hearing?

    It seems to me that these are mostly empty gestures. What they should be doing is introducing alternative operating systems and applications selectively, where it makes sense and they represent the best tool for the job at hand. In this scenario, the "you must use [insert software]" is nothing more than an imposition made by the very people who know absolutely nothing about these things (the legislators) to the detriment of the people who will actually burden this (the MIS staffs at the state agencies). And ultimately, to the detriment of the taxpayers as well.

    It's a bad Dilbert cartoon - at a massive scale.

    1. Re:OK then by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What are you taking about? This bill only requires that open source alternatives be _considered_. It certainly doesn't require that all existing software be thrown out.

      Look, I'm as game as anyone for ridiculing the kiddies who think because they get by with only Linux for their computer use (email, IM web browsing) it should be shoved down the throats of every highway department and armed forces branch, but that has nothing to do with this.

  13. Ladies and Gentlemen by tjohns · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ahem...ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please...

    I now present, for your listening enjoyment, The Free Software Song!!!

  14. What a deal! by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny
    All corporate patrons receive two gratis hours of Free Software licensing and/or GPL consulting from FSF's GPL Compliance Labs (with a reduced rate for further consultation).

    Wow, two free hours of RMS insisting that "it's correctly termed GNU/Linux -- here, read this 85 point manifesto."

    It's a nice chunk of change they've picked up, though. Looking at their rates, that's $10,000 each from IBM and HP, and probably $500 each from the others. I wonder if they really got that much out of them or if they offered a discount to get the ball rolling.

  15. As a former state worker by eadint · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I worked at EDD in sacramento. and i think gnu would be great there. in california 90% of the real work is done by tn3270 this can easily be done in linux. the major needs are. email, word processor, spreadsheet and presentations for the managers. the main road block would be exchange most big corporations love that program and i don't think that there is a real alternative to it. but I'm sure that that could be worked out.
    Star office
    X3279 or something like that
    Mozilla for a web browser.
    although i would set the managers up with Apples. the less they have to thing the better off you are, as a former it person for them i should know.

  16. Re:HP Digital Media Receiver doesn't support ogg.. by evilviper · · Score: 4, Informative

    I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe. Not only has my experience been very positive (and I've got really good ears, and equipment to match), but the double-blind tests conducted have said the same.

    Are you sure the problem isn't just that you don't like hearing the high-frequencies, or maybe you're just so accustomed to MP3 that you don't like hearing music without the artifacts?

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