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oniony writes "Ars Technica has a link to a story on new goggles being developed for/by the military. The new device uses satellite imaging and land profiling to build a 3D representation of the world in a soldier's goggles in real-time. This would enable troops to see through sand storms and oil smoke of the kind currently hampering operations in the Gulf. I imagine one could also remove mountains to allow remote viewing of approaching territory."

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  1. Unproven = untrustworthy by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, when it fails, as all new technologies occasionally do, we'll end up with something like the American 12 soldiers that ended up taking a wrong turn and falling into the hands of Saddam as POW's.

    Even the FAA sees this, as they do not allow it to be the primary navigation system on planes in the US.

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    1. Re:Unproven = untrustworthy by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree here. The FAA's primary responsibility to ensure safety. The article makes it sound like "the FAA makes things go very slowly" for no particular reason. Frankly, I wouldn't want these kinds of tests being done anywhere near me. Furthermore, the technology (at least as described in the article) relies on data taken at some point in the non-immediate past. What about new structures? or other aircraft? I'm sure planes equipt with this would still rely on collision avoidance systems and things like radar, but those are certainly no substitute for actually being able to see with your own two eyes.

  2. That's great. by FreeLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this fancy tech stuff is great. But, if you watch the news right now, you'll see that this fancy schmancy stuff isn't terribly helpful when you are burried in a sand strom or up to your hips in mud and bullets are zinging every which way.

    There's a time for tech. But, there are always going to be times when nothing will take the place of simple brute force.

    Where's my sledge hammer?

    1. Re:That's great. by wagemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Tech is really useful - Early tech was using bronze tools when the other guys didn't have them, then a steel sword when they had bronze.
      Then we got the tech called gun powder, precision rifled barrels....

      Tech always gives you an advantage, but you have to know how to cope if it doesn't work as well as you hope, jams and misfires have been a 'feature' of firearms from day one. They still happen, just not as frequently. Night vision gear isn't a 100% but it is getting better. Don't knock tech - when you're stuck in mud a radio is good for getting help, but don't rely on it.

      Historically one of the strengths of the British Squaddie is that he never believes the plans he's asked to execute are going to work, and always expects things to break or go wrong - so when they do he isn't too surprised. Tech is good, but don't forget your bayonet.

  3. Re:Wait a second. by ratamacue · · Score: 1, Insightful
    This seems a bit ambitious.

    Sure, but when you're spending other people's money, you've got nothing to lose. It's not the end product that matters to those in power -- it's the ability to take and spend the people's money at will. It's the ability to make those decisions. Power is addictive like a drug.

  4. Re:I imagine. . . by hatstandman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe this could also be put to work as beer-goggles for the terminally teetotal.

  5. Removing mountains? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing"

    This technology could be used for humanitarian purposes too, like staying oriented while fighting wildfires.

  6. Re:Heinlein? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Actually, the movie was a moderately amusing satire of human hypocrisy.

    Note the very last scenes where the "evil" bugs suck out the human brain to see what makes them tick and is then immediately followed by a heroic human sticking a blender into a bug's brain. I laughed.

  7. You're overlooking: by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Fly ABOVE the storm, see THROUGH the sand, shoot AT helpless targets.

    That's even better than moving and attacking with impunity under the cover of darkness (== nightvision).

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  8. Re:Civilian uses by Surak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you'd be more likely to see this kind of stuff in a HUD on a windshield, rather than goggles. Remember that consumers are little more picky about comfort and style than the military is. :)

    Also, I'm sure you will see this developed for civilians. Lots of military technology eventually ends up in the hands of civilians, albeit a bit stripped down or otherwise modified with consumer preferences and safety in mind. Examples include, of course, GPS, various off-road vehicle technologies, cell phones (yep, originally developed for the military), the Internet itself, spread-spectrum wireless technology, the list just goes on and on...

    Bottom line: if someone can make a buck off of military-developed technology, they will. :)

  9. I can see wartime problems with this by SolemnDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK. Realising that it's still in development...

    First, if you can't see where your fellow soldiers are, you're looking at a wireframe model of a world that you can't shoot into. How do you know where our guys are? This isn't a redundant post, because i need to add

    Second, if you add GPS for all our folks into the picture, all the enemy needs to do is take one set of goggles and kaboom! there go our troops.

    That said, i agree with the point that these are adding to the trivialisation of wartime 'kills' and the overlap of technology and wargames. But this has been coming for a long time, from way back in the world of 'duckhunt.' (which was pretty advanced itself, all things considered...) Hurt my spine in an accident one year, though, spent hours learnign to shoot those stupid ducks. Do i now look upon animated ducks with a dispassionate urge to blow them away? No. But that's not quite the same as human to human violence on the box. (PETA, leave me alone: it's NOT the same, and doesn't have the same effect. We can argue that one out when the US goes to war against waterfowl.)

    So tell me: does anyone else think of the ad for the - what was it, navy seals, is army, that has the war game with the kids being beat to shreds by some mystery troup, and it turns out that it's real US forces playing the war game against them? Frankly, i think that the US forces are using this marketing tool badly- they are smudging that line just as far and as fast as they can. But sooner or later, the kids who sign up get to find out that it's not a game.

    Realising that i've digressed from my original point: It's a catch-22. Put nobody else in the picture, all you have is a big sign saying 'you are here' on a digitised map. Good for sandstorms but won't tell you whether the guy hiding behind the wall up ahead is your buddy or your foe, and if you put in stuff that tells you this- you open the door for all those foes to know where your buddies are when they take you and your nifty goggles too. What's an army to do?

  10. planes in sandstorms? by uwbbjai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if we can "see" through a sandstorm by means of this goggle, can the planes handle it? I've always thought that jet engines need streams of clean and particle-free cold air in order to run....This technology can probably work through dense fog and rain, but personally I think sandstorm is pushing it a bit too far.

  11. Re:Wait a second. by ratamacue · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Come now, you don't think this is a neat idea that should be developed?

    Not by forcing the people to fund it whether they want to or not.