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Synthetic Vision

oniony writes "Ars Technica has a link to a story on new goggles being developed for/by the military. The new device uses satellite imaging and land profiling to build a 3D representation of the world in a soldier's goggles in real-time. This would enable troops to see through sand storms and oil smoke of the kind currently hampering operations in the Gulf. I imagine one could also remove mountains to allow remote viewing of approaching territory."

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  1. Wait a second. by tcd004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This seems a bit ambitious. From what I understand the holdup in flying in the sandstorms is the fear of hitting electrical lines. Is this tech gonna provide a level of resolution that can show a powerline? No way.

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    1. Re:Wait a second. by p4ul13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought the problem with flying in sandstorms was that the flying sand can quickly grind down the spinning turbines and such parts?

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    2. Re:Wait a second. by visgoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember reading an article in Avation Weekly years ago (1991 or so) about a system being developed for helicopters to help them avoid power lines. Basically they installed a high resolution millimetric wavelength radar on the nose of a Cobra, and had some electronics convert the rebounding microwaves into an image that a pilot could understand. If I'm not mistaken the Longbow system on the newer Apache choppers does this sort of thing, but I don't recall if it had a fine enough resolution to discern power lines and the like.

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  2. Heinlein? by zoward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This reminds me of the power armor in Robert A Heinlein's early novel Starship Troopers. It described in detail the experience of fighting in a suit with virtual enhancements to a solider's regular senses. A great read.

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  3. Hrmmm... by }InFuZeD{ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do these satellites actually detect small changes such as people and tanks?

    Otherwise, why not just use a map and a laptop?

  4. Wait a minute... by stungod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't there an article just yesterday about how cheaters were using technology to be able to see through walls? Now they can say it's OK since the military does it in real life.

    I don't want that kind of realism in Counterstrike. Now all of the l4m3r5 will consider it justified since real soldiers now have wireframe mountains and buildings.

  5. Civilian uses by Cyclopedian · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I would LOVE to see this type of technology for the general public. It would make life a lot easier, especially for someone like me.

    Examples:

    Driving through a snow storm at night in the middle of nowhere? Overlay location info, along with roadside markings in the goggles so you KNOW where the road is and not drive into a ditch.

    Driving from New York to SF for the first time? Can't read a map? Have the goggles map it all out for you connections to GPS for real time roadside updates.

    Part of this technology can be used in conjunction with speech-to-text software/hardware to overlay real-time closed captioning so that I know what the damn radio DJ's are saying on my morning commute. At least Satellite radio provides the song info.

    These are just some of the possibilities that I can think off the top of my head.
    -Cyc

    1. Re:Civilian uses by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Examples:

      Driving through a snow storm at night in the middle of nowhere? Overlay location info, along with roadside markings in the goggles so you KNOW where the road is and not drive into a ditch.
      Driving from New York to SF for the first time? Can't read a map? Have the goggles map it all out for you connections to GPS for real time roadside updates.
      Part of this technology can be used in conjunction with speech-to-text software/hardware to overlay real-time closed captioning so that I know what the damn radio DJ's are saying on my morning commute. At least Satellite radio provides the song info.


      No thank you. it would be pure idiocy to put it on goggles.

      On the windshield? Yes... In fact go rent a Cadillac that is loaded for a weekend, the Infared vision system works in a snowstorm. I could see the roadway and markers AND the other cars showed up very obviousally that could not be seen visually.

      Driving directions? a small map is OK but I much prefer voice prompting.. had both of these cince 1998 in my Kia Sephia with a stereo called the AutoPC.

      So for the vehicle, everything you want has been around for years. you just havent taken the time to spend your money to get it.

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    2. Re:Civilian uses by Cyclopedian · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No thank you. it would be pure idiocy to put it on goggles.

      On the windshield? Yes... In fact go rent a Cadillac that is loaded for a weekend, the Infared vision system works in a snowstorm. I could see the roadway and markers AND the other cars showed up very obviousally that could not be seen visually.

      The reason why I suggested goggles (or even miniaturized to sunglasses ala Doc Brown in Back to the future, Part II) is so that you could see the entire environment in that overlay, rather than just the windshield where all the information is in the front. What if there's something to the left/right/back of you that you need to see in the overlay? Just something to consider.

      Driving directions? a small map is OK but I much prefer voice prompting.. had both of these cince 1998 in my Kia Sephia with a stereo called the AutoPC.

      The problem with voice prompting for me is that I wouldn't be able to make out the words. I'm deaf, and speech-to-text overlay inside goggles/sunglasses for real-time captioning is one of the highest on my wish list. With that, I can then actually make use of traffic information over the radio to take an alternate route instead of getting stuck in traffic for 30 minutes, or even, to enjoy the NPR shows on my morning/evening commutes.

      Real-time mission-critical speech-to-text technology is still a pipe dream for someone like me. Winning the lottery would be nice, then I can invest it and bring it to market. Otherwise, I just have to watch human nature shave/eat/read/curse in traffic.
      -Cyc

  6. Re:Unproven = untrustworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    would you rather have a technology with a 12% failure rate than be helpless without it?

  7. Re:Hrmmm... my thoughts too by adzoox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I was wondering the same thing, because, sandstorms provide stealth for the opposition particularly iRaqis I would imagine.. If all the troops or a recon just relied on this he wouldn't be able to see the enemy pointing a bazooka straight at him.

    I also don't see much of the devlopment phase for this. Aren't real time Satellite images already availible? Isn't an iPaq strong enough to decode/decipher/function for this purpose? And aren't the Olympus EyeTrek Glassessmall enough for such a purpose?

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  8. Re:Remove mountains? Good start. The real question by mattyohe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    already done

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmer ica/GMA010807Xray_cameras_hunter.html

    Also.. this technology seems very far away since the FAA won't allow planes with synthetic vision to get into worse weather than they currently can... FAA are movers and shakers... when they move on the product then you will see some action.

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  9. hold on.. by UU7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dosn't sand shift ?
    How realtime would these images be ? Personally Flying low altitude through a world that's 5 hrs old would make me nervous.

  10. Re:Unproven = untrustworthy by diablobynight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it gets its data directly from live feeds on satalites, not old pictures, the reason why you see old pictures when you go to the sattelite pictures that can be found online is because that is released technology, at this point we have halos of real time down looking satelites in space. My only problem with this, is that there is bound to be some lag, which in current VR systems, is known to cause sudden, horrible vomiting, because the feelings of Gs your feeling are not changing at the same pace your vision is getting new data.

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  11. Powerlines by hallerby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, power lines are extremely simple to identify in a satellite image by looking for power poles.

  12. Reservations by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The trouble with goggles, or anything that fills a large angle of view (e.g. IMAX) is that they're compelling and immersive in a way that smaller displays can't really match. Which is great for entertainment, but potentially very dangerous in situations where the augmented stuff is not 100% trustworthy and ought to be treated with some degree of healthy scepticism. Maybe the AR overlays could be drawn in luminous flamingo pink or something, just to make damn sure you didn't forget what was what.

    I remember a driver in Germany a couple of years back who drove though a couple of barriers, past several yelling workmen and into a river. All because his in-car GPS navigation was telling him that there was a completed bridge there. And that was a just a teeny little display.

    (Side note: "removing" mountains sounds like a truly horrible idea. I have vivid memories of playing the excellent flight sim EF2000 - this was back in the days of software rendering when depth-buffering was still something to be avoided. So the engine just drew the terrain first, and buildings afterward, because, hey, buildings are on top of terrain, right? Unfortunately this didn't cope with occlusion, and I lost count of the number of times I crashed into a bleedin' great hill while on a bee-line for an airfield that was clearly visible right in front of me...)

  13. Re:That's cheating by chammel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Abrams tanks will auto aim your gun you just have to identify the target. The Phalanx is much more autonomous in tracking and killing incoming missiles.

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  14. Been done before, 20 old year technology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's called Battlezone!

    Atari where so ahead of the game with wire frame rendering of objects in the battle arena so that you could see the enemy approaching.

    Wow! Smart stuff.
    http://www.gamearchive.com/Video_Games/Manufacture rs/Atari/battlezone.html

  15. Re:Unproven = untrustworthy by WowTIP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That was my first thought too, but according to the article, they rely on both pre-recorded data and live data:

    These shuttle maps could then be checked against public satellite images; double-checked against data in the Global Positioning System or Internal Navigation System; and triple-checked by radar, infrared or millimeter wave sensors.

    But then again, it might bring good old barrage balloons back into fashion.

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