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Susan Kare: Mother of Icons You Love (or Hate)

bughunter writes "One of today's Yahoo Daily Picks is the personal exhibit of Susan Kare: the mimimalist creator of most of the original Macintosh icons then, later, the iconic elements for Windows 3.0, and she didn't stop there. More than just icons, her GUI elements have become part of the modern collective subconscious - trashcans, bombs, and Happy Macs are universally recognized by computer literate persons the world over. (I can personally attest that the Mac System 6 beachball is burned into my soul...) She deserves some recognition of her own."

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  1. neato by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm actually wearing a Susan Kare t-shirt right now.

    The one with the bomb icon on it.

    I don't wear it at airports.

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    1. Re:neato by realperseus · · Score: 3, Funny
      My girlfriend is wearing Susan Kare apparel right now....

      Apparel with the bomb icon on it......

      And yes, she wears them at airports..... *grin

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    2. Re:neato by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a T-Shirt that says...

      "BOMB TECHNICIAN. IF YOU SEE ME RUNNING, TRY AND KEEP UP."

      I wore it into an airport without even realizing what I was wearing (I was picking up a friend.)

      Nobody ever said anything about the shirt.

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  2. And this is how you repay her?! by mekkab · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdotted without a comment in sight!

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  3. Pixel fonts and Microsoft Word? by dekraved · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the part of the site that was working, the pixel fonts reminded me of a time I tried to make Microsoft Word have the look of the old DOS Wordperfect. I managed to make the background blue, though it was really bright, and I managed to make the text gray. But I couldn't find the right monospaced, pixelly font. Has anybody else tried to do this, or am I just psycho? I thought that Wordperfect was much more fun to write in. I always felt like Doogie Howser.

    (Also, for a supposed icon expert, how come the portfolio icon doesn't really evoke portfolio so much as "person writing"?)

  4. If you click the Windows 3.0 icons by rf0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you click the Windows 3.0 icons you get an error. Its so cool that she managed to emulate windows on her web page :)

    Seriously though when the /.ing has died down I think it will really be worth a look even for a retro kick. She designed the solitare cards for God's sake. How many hours of my life has that accounted for? :)

    Rus

  5. Evidently... by Hanji · · Score: 5, Funny

    Her server resources were even more minimalist than her icons...

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  6. Yay for Graphic Designers by ArcSecond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I gotta say that cute icons make a difference. I hate the crappy ones that most software use. Designing an icon that is distinctive and has an obvious functional message at 20 * 20 pixels (or whatever) takes a certain kind of talent.

    I remember the happy mac startup icon from 1984... when the Mac was happy, *I* was happy. When the Mac had a twisted mouth and Xs for eyes, I wasn't.

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  7. Talk about an audience by sssmashy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd never really thought of icon creators as artists before, but I suppose they deserve recognition with the more familiar artists.

    Just think: together with the "NBC Peacock" guy and a handful of other logo creators, Susan Kare's "art" has probably been viewed and used my more people, for more hours, than any conventional artistic works in human history... and all in the space of two short decades.

  8. frowny mac by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll never forget the first time I saw the "sad Mac" icon during bootup. It made me chuckle and would have been even more amusing had it not been for the fact that my system would no longer boot.

    I stopped using macs soon after that.

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  9. Some of her icons at images.google.com by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you just search for Susan Kare using Google Images, you'll find quite a few examples.

  10. Google Cache by Torqued · · Score: 4, Informative
  11. Yahoo + /. Great. by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good. So instead of just /.ing her, we do it on a day when the site's address has just been emailed out to thousands of link-starved people too.

    Script Kiddies wish they had that much power.

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  12. Re:500 Internal Server Error by wheany · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it return a sad webserver icon?

  13. Re:Mac elitism by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh well, I guess owning a Mac makes you some sort of IT hero around slashdot. You know what a Happy Mac is but don't know what 'hashing with buckets' means or what a b-tree does or what a two handed clock algorithm for freeing memory is all about.

    Well around here I don't know of ANY IT guys that know any of that. Here IT guys usually refers to the systems support guys (you know, the ones that maintain the network, sets up computers, gives you flack for installing non standard software, etc). The stuff you mention usually is the domain of the developers (or engineers if you prefer).

    BTW, the Happy Mac was the icon you saw when your Mac passed all it's boot checks and was booting "normally" (vs the Sad Mac which you saw if your machine was hosed).

  14. Re:Obviously... by Lynn+Benfield · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AFAIK, the beachball first showed up as the wait cursor for MPW (Apple's pre-Mac OS X command line development environment). It started showing up in other software after that.

    In terms of the official busy cursor, you're right, it was a wristwatch.

  15. Re:Mac elitism by forkboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And you bitch about Mac elitism? Listen to yourself dude.

    "I've never used a mac except for a few times in passing, blah blah, it's only for the computer illiterate, blah blah, I obviously know everything about computers because I know a couple coding techniques so I'm right and you're wrong, blah blah blah"

    I'm sorry that you didn't feel included when the editor said that computer literate people know the Happy Mac icon, but damn, lay off the hostility...there's no need to call for jihad. If you don't like macs and never have, good for you, that's your choice. If you can reminesce about your Commodore PET, then let the other 95% of the people on /. think back to the old macs they owned or used in school.

    As far as arrogance derived from coding or system administration skill goes, it is unfounded. You're not cool and you're not making a difference. Any reasonably intelligent person can perform these tasks given the time and desire. You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.

    Now hopefully we'll both be modded down as trolls and we can go on with our lives.

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  16. The best icons by Rob+Parkhill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some of the best icons ever created were by Keith Ohlfs for NeXTstep. Amazing what he could pack into 64x64 2-bit greyscale pixels.

    Check out his latest work at Pixelsight

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  17. Compressible art by sssmashy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can store the collective works of Shakespeare in a 10 Mb zip file. The collective paintings of Michelangelo, scanned and compressed with zero data loss, would probably be 100 Gb at least.

    And yet, the collective works of Susan Kare could probably be compressed down to 1 or 2 kilobytes. Talk about minimalism!

  18. Re:a 16x16 canvas by WatertonMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because when I applied 1000 monkeys designing icons on 16x16 I found that she'd already come up with all the good ones.

  19. Cultural problems by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative
    I remember the happy mac startup icon from 1984... when the Mac was happy, *I* was happy. When the Mac had a twisted mouth and Xs for eyes, I wasn't.

    Some folks may remember the happy mac actually winked at you during startup in one of the OS 8 versions. It was quickly yanked- Apple supposedly got a backlash(or feared one) from cultures/countries where winking is offensive; search on google and you'll find a ton of links about it.

    Similarly, they yanked at one point the Chimes Of Death(doo wee do doooooo) that accompanied the dead-mac(and error code dump), usually caused by severe hardware or software problems during booting in older macs. It genuinely freaked people out(I know it scared the shit out of me the first time i heard it.)

    Random trivia- most of the original Macintosh's ROM was taken up by a COLOR image of the Macintosh development team. My 660AV's ROM contained an image of the team(much larger) at a beachparty. It is so sad to see that easter eggs have pretty much been killed off for years now in apple hardware/software.

    Curious- Did she design the Spinning Pizza of Death, in OS x?

    Obligitory slashdotting joke: Her site could use the SPOD right about now :-)

    1. Re:Cultural problems by Zeal17 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Similarly, they yanked at one point the Chimes Of Death(doo wee do doooooo) that accompanied the dead-mac(and error code dump), usually caused by severe hardware or software problems during booting in older macs. It genuinely freaked people out(I know it scared the shit out of me the first time i heard it.)


      Heh, I remember my science teacher in high school getting those when he accidently plugged his keyboard into a s-video port (or something of the like) They were pretty cool. I do remember it took some real problems to get the sad mac.

      -Zeal17
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    2. Re:Cultural problems by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Similarly, they yanked at one point the Chimes Of Death(doo wee do doooooo) that accompanied the dead-mac(and error code dump), usually caused by severe hardware or software problems during booting in older macs. It genuinely freaked people out(I know it scared the shit out of me the first time i heard it.)

      The replacement sound is screeching brakes and a big explosion played at full volume. I don't think they changed it because the old sound was too scary.

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  20. Re:Icons are Evil. by tc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sorry, but you're wrong. And you've failed to grasp the point of icons.

    The point of icons is not so much that you can instantly know the function of an unfamiliar icon by looking at the picture. It's more that you can recognise that icon again easily once you know what it does. I can more quickly find an icon I know in a sea of other icons, than I can find a text button in a sea of other text buttons. You also need much less screen real estate in a small icon (such as a toolbar button) than an equivalent text button.

  21. Re:Icons are Evil. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Complete and utter bullshit. Research shows that good icons are remembered and that they are more distingashable than a word and of course, take up less space. This is the whole point of icons.

    Even though you are trying to look as if you know something about UI and usablility, you obviously don't know anything.

    Score -1, misleading.

  22. Forget Icons, she designed Control Panel by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's right, everything you needed to customize your computer's behavior, condensed into a single window 312x155 (roughly) pixels in size. What's more, all the functions are discoverable, neither instruction nor a help file is necessary to use it. It's perhaps one of the most brilliant examples of efficient information display ever realized on a personal computer, plus interactivity thrown in for good measure.

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  23. Re:Beach ball? by SideshowBob · · Score: 3, Informative

    The beach ball referred to was the wait cursor for MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop).

    It was copied widely in numerous popular 3rd party applications, but you are correct in that the official wait cursor for the OS was the watch cursor.

    The spinning disc cursor used in OS X is a descendent of the wait cursor from NeXTStep, which was originally used to indicate that the Magneto-Optical disc was in use.

  24. Re:Mac elitism by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you should get some better-educated IT guys. Knowledge of the way computers and software work can help one make intelligent decisions about how to set them up, help one diagnose problems, and help one write custom software to get a job done.

    How does knowledge of how a btree works help someone figure out a driver issue? There is a huge difference in having a basic understanding of how software environments work vs specific algorithms (which is the the OP referred to). What would an IT person be coding to require them to know about the complexities of freeing/allocating memory. Hell, the current thinking is that we don't want PROGRAMMERS (Java, C#, HLL, scripting, etc) to have to deal with such issues, let alone the guy who unpacks the Dell and installs Office a dozen times a day.

    Good admins are programmers/engineers, too. That makes them more expensive, but they can be much more efficient and flexible that way.

    I disagree. Anyone who knows any more than very basic programming will probably be a programmer. You get paid more and you put up with a lot less sh*t, assuming of course you can find a job right now, in which case they would settle for an IT job to pay the bills. The only time I see programmers act as IT guys is in small shops that can't afford full time IT folk (or if their IT folk are like many of the IT folk I've met and sometimes take, umm, a while shall we say to get what seems like the most basic things done, like add more ram to your system). And I would never let an IT guy near any code (other than os scripting).

  25. Re:Already? by Lev13than · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you don't care about piddly little things like context, you can go straight to her images folder here:

    http://kare.com/images/

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  26. Re:Mac elitism by brucehoult · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm computer literate. I've worked on dozens of systems from the commodore PET to the IBM Sys/36 and AS400 to HP 3000 and lately some of the Stratus boxes that started rolling through our companies 'bullpen'.

    I've never used a mac except a few times in passing.


    I use MS Windows and Linux and HPUX and Solaris and even ftx (a Stratus OS) on a daily basis. I've also been using and programming the Mac since a few weeks after it came out.

    If you're not familiar with the Mac after nearly two decades then I'm sorry but you are *NOT* computer literate.

    It was designed explicitly for the non-computer literate.

    It was designed to be accessable to the computer illiterate. But that's an inclusive thing, not exclusive. It is (and always has been) a superb machine for software hackers because it has a much more open and customizable operating system than MSDOS or Windows have ever had. YOu can replace or enhance *anything*.

    You know what a Happy Mac is but don't know what 'hashing with buckets' means or what a b-tree does or what a two handed clock algorithm for freeing memory is all about

    What a strange thing to say when the Mac "HFS" file system is nearly unique in being based totally around b-trees for the directory and file extents structures! There isn't a flat array or linked list in sight.

  27. Re:Beach ball? by saddino · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember that the Bell Labs Intelligent Terminal (BLIT) bitmapped terminal used a coffee cup (i.e. "go get a cup of coffee while you wait") icon for waiting, which gives you an idea of how long you had to wait sometimes...always got a kick out of that. Bring the coffee cup to the Mac!

  28. Control panel icon by thogard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why did the control panel icon from Win 3.0 look likes something ripped from from an Amiga? It had the Amiga's (original) logo colors, a large "A" and small computer with a built in keyboard.

    Here's a picture

  29. ObSlashdotting by Spunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Her icon for "500 Internal Server Error" leaves much to be desired.

  30. How did she design them? by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't it be interesting to learn that she designed the Windows 3.1 icons on Mac Paint? :)

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  31. Re:Depends how you define "art" by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Art doesn't have to be pretensious or overly complex.

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  32. Re:Icons are Evil. by metamanda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to design icons (still do sometimes) so feel free to regard my reply as a little bit biased.

    A poorly made set of icons can indeed be worse than text. I think the really crucial element is whether different icons or wordcons are easily distinguishable. Your brain can easily pick out unique features. for example:

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOQOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOTOOOOOOO

    notice how that T is much easier to spot that that Q? Icons that all look similar will be more difficult to pick out than words. However, to some extent, text looks like text looks like text, and a set of icons that have been designed to be easily distinguishable from each other will be easier for most people to pick out than a bunch of wordcons. Yes, there is a learning curve where you have to figure out what the icons mean, but I typically learn that pretty fast, and then I process icons faster than text. I would say that once they are learned, you're stripping away a "level of indirection". After all, kids who haven't learned to read yet can process pictures... you learn how to do that very early.

    As an aside, people read lowercase, serifed fonts faster than uppercase sans-serif fonts because uppercase sans-serif fonts have fewer distinguishing features for each letter. Your speed of reading, or your speed of picking out icons, doesn't happen on a conscious level. Even if you're annoyed by icons, they might be helping you anyway.

    Your point about the trashcan icon is kind of interesting, and true. The point of an icon is that it evokes a general concept. A trashcan icon that is too detailed can make you think of a particular trash can, or a particular type of trashcan -- a simple one should just make you think of the platonic form of trashcan. It should work sort of like the word "trashcan", except that you can read it faster, and tell it apart from other icons more easily. (That's why the simplicity of Kare's icons is so awesome.) So yes, it would work much better if it's appearance were consistent across OS's.

    The idea of trying to pick a tool in photoshop using printed names -- "paintbrush, history brush, pencil" -- instead of icons makes me shudder.

  33. Re:COD sample? by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 4, Informative
    Does anyone know where I can find a downloadable sound sample of the "Chimes of Death"? I'm not a mac user and I'm interested in hearing them...

    I found copies of both the crash sounds, and the startup sounds here. I recommend the 'Crash Mac Quadra' file.

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