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Corporations Getting Into The Open Source Spirit

Anonymous writes "Some bastions of capitalism are getting into the open-source spirit -- not only using the software, but contributing code fixes and other mods, according to an article in today's Computerworld."

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  1. Wow by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    DARPA supports BSD, and now big business buying Open source. Either sanity is breaking out everywhere or the apocolypse is coming soon to a planet near you.

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  2. This corporate angle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...has spawned a whole magazine already. That does certainly suggest Linux is ready for prime time.

  3. Re:Getting the corporate word out by kentyman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder what single thing tripped off this new trend.

    What makes you think it was a single thing? In my opinion, it was a long time coming.

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  4. Not exactly news ... by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the 70's, IBM came out with their VM meta-OS. Its origins were in academia, not in IBM's shops, and in all the installations that I saw, it always came with full source. They actively encouraged customers to submit not just bug reports, but fixes, which were then sent out to other customers.

    In one place that I worked around 1980, there was a big IMB mainframe, and one day we brought in some Amdahl people to demo their unix that ran on VM. One question was whether source was available. Their answer was "The source isn't an option; you get it whether you want it or not." Within a couple of weeks, I'd made a small fix to the kernel's clock routine (needed because the turkeys who ran our VM had screwed up their clock in a way that Amdahl's people hadn't conceived of ;-). I emailed the fix to the Amdahl support people, they thanked me, and it was in their next set of patches.

    Closed source was to a great extent an invention of Microsoft. Before them, it was obvious to even the stupidest manager that it was a good idea to make source available to any programmers who could understand it. That way, you got bug fixes rather than bug reports.

    It's actually a bit strange that we now have management that doesn't understand this. What are they teaching them in business schools these days?

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    1. Re:Not exactly news ... by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Funny
      Some historical perspective:

      1964-ish - IBM introduces the 360 line. The competition is RCA/Spectra, Sperry/UNIVAC, and a GE monster that looks like a big brown art-Deco toaster and still uses vacuum tubes. The software is free as in beer/speech. IBM's software only runs on IBM hardware, so why not?

      1972-ish - IBM introduces the 370 line. The software is still free. The competition is non-existant.

      1975-ish - Amdahl introduces the 470 line. It uses IBM's free software with very little modification. IBM shrugs.

      1978-ish - Amdahl's market share steadily increases. They have no software development costs, so their prices are much lower than IBM's. IBM says, "Damn!"

      1980-ish - Hitachi and Fujitsu announce IBM compatable mainframes. IBM cries, "Not fair!"

      1981-ish - IBM's new OS is not free-as-in-beer. Many parts of it are OCO (object code only). Over the next 20 years, most of the OS disappears behind the OCO curtain. (There are no restrictions about reverse engineering, though, because most old systems people can read binaries like they are source, anyway.)

      1982-ish - As mainframes and their software become more expensive, universities opt for smaller computers that run Unix. AT&T makes Unix (and the source code) free to colleges and universities. "Open Systems" becomes the buzzword around IT circles. "Open Systems" is a secret code for "Unix".

      1990-ish - Microsoft announces Windows. Everyone shrugs. There is no source, but you can get a copy of the diskettes from just about anyone you know. ;-)

      1996-ish - An internal IBM group asks what can be done to stem the Unix tide. The answer: open up your source code. Nothing comes of this effort. 2000-ish - First Hitachi, then Amdahl/Fujitsu drop out of the IBM compatable mainframe market. IBM snickers.

      2001-ish - Microsoft gets serious about copy protection and authentication. An internal Microsoft memo asks, "Where's the source?"

      2002-ish - Microsoft gets serious about security. An internal Microsoft memo questions whether there is any source.

      Present - Universities still teach "Computer Science" which is heavy on theory. They need source code. They get source code with Unix/Linux. Students learn Unix/Linux. Students graduate and work for companies. The new graduates push for Unix/Linux because that's what they know. Companies continue to lean toward Unix/Linux. IBM says, "Damn!" Microsoft copyrights "Damn!" and says, "Damn!"

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  5. Goodwill as an asset? by Fritz+Benwalla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This got me wondering.

    Bug fixes and other contributions to open source software are in and of themselves valuable, but creating them will always be an expense to companies. With the exception of major enhancements or improvements very few will be marketable, or generate any other revenue stream for the company.

    "Goodwill" however, is a recognized asset for companies. An asset that can be appraised, and entered on the balance sheet raising the company's value.

    I wonder whether the open source movement could benefit from this aspect of contribution to the community, encouraging companies to create a verifyable and appraisable track record of contributions, and supporting their efforts to create genuine bankable value based on goodwill.

    Just a thought.

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  6. In related news by Rooked_One · · Score: 5, Funny

    the value of a MCSE drops another 20 G's a year.

  7. What's so revolutionary about this? by gorbachev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been working with a lot of vendors on projects, IBM, BEA, ATG, TIBCO, etc.

    You always find bugs in the products you use. Most of the time you have to develop a fix yourself, because the vendor's release schedule will not enable you to wait for the official fix. It's just good vendor relations to send the fix to the vendor.

    I did that exactly for the same reason Merrill Lynch does that, to get better software.

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  8. Motivated Self Interest by defaulthtm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The most interesting part of this is the reason Merril Lynch gave as to why they posted patches back. They wanted to have a seat at the development table and did not want to have to maintain a fork of the product forever. Certainly not a RMS view of OSS, but one that makes more sense (and dollars) in the long run.

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  9. Re:Getting the corporate word out by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Particularly one written in a positive light, and without reference to Geeks or Zealots.

    Refreshing isn't it.

    I wonder how long it will take the M$ team to start churning out response articles alleging that Open Source is destroying capitalism.

    Good thing it didn't last long. Real journalism doesn't need to mention zealots. Slashdot does it well enough.

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  10. Editors? by veldmon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some bastions of capitalism are getting into the open-source spirit

    What is this supposed to mean? Open source is more compatible with communism? That sounds like a subtle insult to me.

    There is absolutely nothing spectacular about corporations dealing with open source software.