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How Broad is Broadband?

Photon01 writes "The Register reports that UK ISP NTL have lost, in a ruling that their advertisement of their 128k broadband service as 'High Speed Broadband Internet' is misleading. This is despite it clearly meeting the technical definitions of broadband internet. Apparently 128k broadband is not broad enough." My first cable modem was only 256k. It wasn't blazingly fast but after being stuck on dialup it was heaven, and I imagine 128k wouldn't be so bad for a single household.

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  1. relative by customs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    well, it's all realative. back in the mid 90's, dual channel ISDN was amazingly fast, and is what everyone wanted for their businesses. now a days, we know that ISDN isn't all that hot, and then the ADSL are to be considered lower end broadband. so how broad is broadband? well for me, right now, it's about 800k/sec sustained download from sunsite. kinda hot.

  2. Marketting stealing technical definitions by grahammm · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is what comes of marketting departments taking a technical term and redefining it. The opposite of broadband is not narrowband, but baseband (eg the defunct V.35).

    What can be done to stop sales and marketting (and politicians) from diluting perfectly good technical terms.

  3. mm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    how many brands can a broadbrand brand if a broadband could broad brands?

  4. Perhaps a New System... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When you buy gasoline, the octane rating is Required by law to be posted. A similar system of 'Broadband Octane', so to speak, would allow consumers to more effectively make decisions on internet access.
    In addition, there seems to be a growing trend of 'broadband' carriers who are slowly jacking down the bandwidth to each individual, either by packing in more consumers on a main line, or forcing the hardware to lower rates. In any case, more unsolicited disclosure would be welcomed.

  5. Is bandwidth all that matters? by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I got ADSL myself, at 376kbs down and 128kbs up. It's not very broad for a broadband (indeed, some argue that ADSL can't be defined as broadband), but I picked it for quite another reason then bandwidth; I'm always on. And when you're used to pay for the minute, that's pretty darn important - I've saving about 50% each month compared to a dial-up connection. I would say that for my use, thats more important than the speed with wich I can D/L over P2P.

    --
    Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
    1. Re:Is bandwidth all that matters? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bandwidth makes zero differences when determining if a system is "broadband" or not.

      Broadband only refers to the transmission method, not the throughput. All that "broadband" means is that multiple, independant network carriers are multiplexed onto a single wire. That's the definition of "broadband". Your other option is
      "baseband".

      Anyone who argues that ADSL isn't broadband is either ignorant of the meaning of the word, or ignorant of the technical details of DSL.

      --
      by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
  6. Network Speed Chart by upt1me · · Score: 5, Informative

    13.21 Gbps OC-255
    10 Gbps OC-192
    4.976 Gbps OC-96
    2.488 Gbps OC-48, STS-48
    1.866 Gbps OC-36
    1.244 Gbps OC-24
    933.12 Mbps OC-18
    622.08 Mbps OC-12, STS-12
    466.56 Mbps OC-9
    155.52 Mbps OC-3, STS-3
    100 Mbps CDDI, FDDI, Fast Ethernet, Category 5 cable
    51.84 Mbps OC-1, STS-1
    44.736 Mbps T-3, DS-3 North America
    34.368 Mbps E-3 Europe
    20 Mbps Category 4 cable
    16 Mbps Fast Token Ring LANs
    10 Mbps Thin Ethernet, category 3 cable, cable modem
    8.448 Mbps E-2 Europe
    6.312 Mbps T-2, DS-2 North America
    6.144 Mbps Standard ADSL downstream
    4 Mbps Token Ring LANs
    3.152 Mbps DS-1c
    2.048 Mbps E-1, DS-1 Europe
    1.544 Mbps ADSL, T-1, DS-1 North America
    128 Kbps ISDN
    64 Kbps DS-0, pulse code modulation
    56 Kbps 56flex, U.S. Robotics x2 modems,
    33.6 Kbps 56flex, x2 modem communications rate
    28.8 Kbps V.34, Rockwell V.Fast Class modems
    20 Kbps Level 1 cable, minimum cable data speed
    14.4 Kbps V.32bis modem, V.17 fax
    9600 bps modem speed circa early 1990s
    2400 bps modem speed circa 1980s

    Units of Measurement
    bit = smallest unit of digital information, i.e. ones & zeros
    byte = a set of bits
    bps = bits per second
    Kbps = kilobits per second =1000 bits per second
    Mbps = Million bits per second =1,000,000 bits per second
    Gbps = Gigabits per second = 1,000,000,000 (one billion) bits per second
    Tbps = Terabits per second = 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) bits per second
    (Network speed is mesured in 1000 units, memory and storage space in 1024 units)

  7. Well.. by BJH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd say the problem was that it was marketed as high speed broadband. While 128Kbps may technically be broadband, I don't think many people would consider it to be particularly high speed.

  8. not "high speed" internet as they advertised by WiPEOUT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They were advertising "high speed" broadband internet access. It may well be broadband, but it certainly isn't "high speed" broadband.

    "Low speed broadband" would have been more appropriate, but of course, they would've made their offering pale in comparison with real "high speed" broadband, so greed took over and caused them to advertise in a misleading fashion.

  9. definition of broadband by upt1me · · Score: 5, Informative

    2 definitions found

    From WordNet (r) 1.7 :

    broadband
    adj 1: of or relating to or being a communications network in which
    the bandwidth can be divided and shared by multiple
    simultaneous signals (as for voice or data or video)
    2: responding to or operating at a wide band of frequencies; "a
    broadband antenna" [syn: wideband]

    From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (09 FEB 02) :

    broadband

    A transmission medium capable of supporting a
    wide range of frequencies, typically from audio up to video
    frequencies. It can carry multiple signals by dividing the
    total capacity of the medium into multiple, independent
    bandwidth channels, where each channel operates only on a
    specific range of frequencies.

    See also baseband.

    (1995-05-09)

  10. Broadband isn't amount of bandwidth by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not how much you have have, it's how you use it.

    Broadband means it's a communications channel divided into multiple chunks. Each person on a cablemodem connection uses a different freqency range on the same cable, that makes the cable broadband. The opposite of broadband is baseband, that's where the base comes from in 100BaseT.

    If you divide a 2400 baud modem among several users in that way, it can be called broadband too even though each user only have a few hundred bps.

    Jason
    ProfQuotes

  11. The term is stupid, anyway by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    Originally, the term "broadband" was used to distinguish local area networks with a DC component ("baseband networks", like Ethernet over coax), from systems that had no DC component, like the forgotten Ungermann-Bass LAN and data over cable TV systems.

    It's not clear how this term became associated with DSL. Early on, DSL was referred to as "data over voice". (This came from the old "data under voice" system, which sent very low data rate signals for alarms and such over lines also carrying voice, using a frequency band somewhere below 100Hz.) Both of those terms are now obsolete.

    DSL has no DC component (you can put it through a capacitor and it works just fine) so technically, it is "broadband". But that has nothing to do with the data rate.

    From a regulatory standpoint, what we need is this: It is deceptive advertising to advertise an "up to" speed without showing, with equal or greater prominence, a guaranteed minimum speed. This rule should apply generally to any advertising that specifies some numeric measure of goodness.

  12. UK OFTEL definition of 'broadband' by M100 · · Score: 5, Informative
    In the UK regulation of comms services is by OFTEL. Their definition of broadband is as follows:
    'Broadband' is used in this brief to refer to higher bandwidth, always-on services, offering data rates of 128 kbps and above.
    and
    This definition of broadband is used by Oftel for the purposes of measuring take-up in order to capture the dynamic range of services available to residential and business consumers that are classed by the industry as broadband. This definition gives Oftel data that is comparable with broadband take-up figures published by other countries in Europe. For the purposes of specific market assessment and definitions of regulatory obligations, different definitions may be appropriate.
    You may be interested in this report from OFTEL about the state of takeup of broadband in the UK.