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Tiny RC Tanks That Fight

Daniel Rutter writes "I've just reviewed a couple of Konami's Combat DigiQs - tiny little remote controlled tanks that can shoot each other. You can stage a two-, three- or four-tank battle, every tank for himself or in teams of two, on a coffee table. They rock."

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  1. Cool! by blitzoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Toys are just getting cooler and cooler these days. Why couldn't I have had RC Tank wars when I was a kid? It's just not fair.

    Oh well. I guess I'll go back to playing with Lego and my good 'ol Speak-n-Spell.

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    1. Re:Cool! by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back in the day we used water baloons and also tomatos. Over ripe tomatos especially rocked...

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    2. Re:Cool! by blitzoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sure if kids are reading /., they're not playing with water balloons and apples - These kids are making potato guns that can smash through a brick wall.

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    3. Re:Cool! by blitzoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      What? Life is too short to be reading /. when you're fourteen! You go outside and you blow out some car windows right now!

      And don't come back in till the cops confiscate all your PVC pipe.

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    4. Re:Cool! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You'd let a child handle something so expensive? Heck, the target market for this stuff is adults. What kid has the cash for this? Even legos are pretty pricey.

      Okay, I know, there are legions of spoiled kids whose parents can't stop buying expensive gifts for them.

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    5. Re:Cool! by gregwbrooks · · Score: 2, Funny
      :::Then again, pea shooters are still fun as hell (ever see the look on a drop dead gorgeous 17 year old's face when hit in the ass with a small, soft, round projectile? Priceless ;)) :::


      Son, I dunno about you, but when I'm in that situation, I'm too, um, engaged to worry about the look on her face.

      And I don't call mine a pea shooter, either.

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  2. And now for English by Isosonys · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.konami.co.jp/th/micro_ir/combat/english /index.html

    1. Re:And now for English by Cirrius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually that would be:

      without the space in the title

    2. Re:And now for English by Darth+Hubris · · Score: 2, Funny

      Melodiously and Joyfully will I utilize for very life-pleasure!!

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    3. Re:And now for English by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Please enjoy yourself using this manual. And please utilize."

      God Bless Engrish!

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  3. laser tag by ejaw5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ThinkGeek's had this for a while
    http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/5776

    It's laser tag though. Office Fun!

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    1. Re:laser tag by Catiline · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, those are not the DigiQ tanks. I own a pair of DigiQs, and they are about half that size and quite a bit more historically accurate (the DigiQ line is modeled -- as I said, somewhat accurately -- on WWII tanks). Furthermore, the ThinkGeek tanks are hard-coded to one frequency while the DigiQ can be reprogrammed. DigiQ also have multiple battle modes, including a very fun "simulation" (where different models have different ammo payloads and reload times).

  4. WmD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    weapons of minute destruction?

    1. Re:WmD by blitzoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope these things don't get taken away due to a Small Arms Ban

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  5. This is stolen off another site.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The writeup of the article with the same text is already on JesusGeeks.

    1. Re:This is stolen off another site.. by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad it's "mirrored" here, then; since Jesus Geeks appears to be down (at least from where I am at).

    2. Re:This is stolen off another site.. by robi2106 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is an interesting site. What sort of tilt does the average reader over there have? Is it satirical use of "Jesus" or does it have a generally Christian reader base?

      robi

  6. The kids will love it by Radi-0-head · · Score: 5, Funny

    A playground sandbox, a few quarts of 10w40, and you've got your very own miniature Iraq to "liberate"!

    1. Re:The kids will love it by N0decam · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'll also need a traditional green army man standing on a tiny pedestal that they can hook the tank up to with dental floss to "topple" the regieme.

      If the tanks were a little bigger, they could pretend that the minesweeper guy is Geraldo, and drive him out of the country - finally give that minesweeper a purpose in life (other than to be melted by magnifying glasses)

    2. Re:The kids will love it by Beetjebrak · · Score: 2

      The puff of flour sounds like a dust explosion. I don't know the exact dynamics, but large surface area (fine grains of flour) and lots of oxygen (the cloud is not very dense) and high temperature (the flame) combine to very rapidly combust the flour practically instantaneously creating a dust explosion. For this to occur there's probably a 'sweet spot' in the ratio of flour:air:heat, if either is out of balance nothing happens or individual grains just burn up individually as they hit the flame. Someone who actually does know physics could probably tell you much more, and correct this explanation.. it's been a while since I did that editing job on a fire control training booklet. ;o)

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    3. Re:The kids will love it by NeuroBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah Mr. Wizard did the dust explosion trick way back in the day (episode 16).

      Many different substances can be explosive given the right amount of oxygen surrounding the flammable particles. It's a fairly common trick that middle school science teachers do to wake up their students. :)

    4. Re:The kids will love it by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      HowStuffWorks has your answer, and if properly done they can look exceptionally cool. Not that I'm endorsing building a device for it, nor doing it, for education purposes only. Do not try this at home, and I'm not going into design instructions no matter how hard you beg.


      http://www.howstuffworks.com/question150.htm

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    5. Re:The kids will love it by sdo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yea, the kids will love it, but here's the pisser...

      If they bring it to show their friends at class, they'll probably be suspended for bringing a weapon to school.

      Sorry to rain on the funniest damn comment I've read in months... but that's the sad fact of "zero tolerance".

      -S

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  7. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    nah you must be confused, that was gorilla.bas :)

  8. Realism? by obotics · · Score: 5, Funny

    But do you actually get killed when your tank blows up? I really find the lack of realism in games these days to be disturbing.

  9. Cats! by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Funny

    If these fire actual projectiles (as opposed to just a light beam), then I want one for my girlfriend's cats!

    1. Re:Cats! by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 5, Funny

      Duh! Cats have no opposable thumbs! How the HELL do you think they're going to use a remote control?!

    2. Re:Cats! by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 2, Funny
      Here you go. 6mm BB bullets. But you know how cats are ... once the batteries are down and the thing sits in the corner, they'll just pee on it (that is how cats show their discomfort with something - they pee on it). Even the electronics aren't shorted out, you'll still have a $130 toy tank that smells of cat pee.

      What I'm trying to say, just get one of those stun batons.

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  10. 3D Scorched Earth by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The 3d ones just aren't very much fun in my opinion. Maybe my brain isn't just equiped to handle the math, but i can do an okay job of estimating angles and speeds int he 2D version, and even sometimes do a semi-competent job of judging in the wind factor.

    However i've had massive problems with every 3D version i've tried. Not only is my first guess almost always rather off because of the complications of the third dimension, but adjusting the shot takes a long time as well. It just takes way too long and isn't as much fun.

    Of course hopefully the toy tanks wouldn't take so long to render, and it would be really easy to multi-thread and have them all shooting at once :)

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    1. Re:3D Scorched Earth by Glonoinha · · Score: 4, Funny

      You always miss the first shot. In fact generally (Today's New Army as the standing exception) they don't even aim the first shot in real life. Just get your fire platform stable and with a good place to start from, let one rip, then figure out how far off you are, do some simple math, fire the second one (which should be MUCH closer), adjust, until you start landing shells where they are supposed to go. Then just keep pumping them down range.

      You quickly get in pointed in the right direction and it becomes 2D again.

      Helps to have RainMan on your team, though. Definately 38.7 degrees with 2.147 kilograms of powder. Definately. Practically 21 seconds to impact. They are definately not going to be happy when this bad boy lands on them. Definately.

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    2. Re:3D Scorched Earth by budgenator · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's two kinds of big gun shooting direct fire and indirect fire. Direct fire is aim by the gunner, it's what tanks do aim at the target, add in a little super-elevation to correct for the rounds free fall in flight determined by the targets range, and some defection adjustment to adjust for the round going off course from the wind and let'er rock and roll. In direct fire you want first round kills because when you fire, everybody knows where to shoot back at.

      Indirect fire is what artillery does, the round goes through a high ballistic trajectory, but you want the round to travel in as low a trajectory as possible; the higher the round travels, the more likely that it will be picked up by a counter-mortar radar which can calculate the point of origin so the opposing force can shoot back at you. the FO, Forward Observer see's the traget, and tells the FDC, Fire Direction Computer, the approximate grid co-ordinates of the traget, his direction to the target, and what the target is. The FDC then calculates what direction to point the guns in, what elevation to point at, and what charge to use, how much powder. the guns then aim at a two stakes in the ground and fires, usualy one round from the number two gun in the center. If the round hits with-in the burst-radious of the target, then all the guns fire, if not the FO tells the FDC how many meters to left or right, or to add or subtract, the FDC re-computes and 2 gun re-shoots. as soon as the target is hit the unit moves, and re-sets up. This is called shoot and scoot, because if you're still there, the other guys are going to reach out and touch you if they can.

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  11. Logo??? by Sheeplet · · Score: 2, Informative

    Doesn't the logo remind you of ChronoCross/Trigger? Strange....

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  12. eeek! by Spoticus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Scary when the tanks are being dwarfed by their remote controls 8-)

  13. Aw, screw kids! by Fritz+Benwalla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've solved this problem by continuing to buy toys for myself - and now I've got money!

    Fact is that as a kid I don't think I would have appreciated the coolness of this. A friend of mine had one of those helicopters that flew in circles, and model rocketry stuff, and I liked it but I thought it was all part of being a kid.

    Now I own a Vectron Flying Saucer and a bunch of other cool stuff, and I still play with at much as if I were a kid. But now I realized how awesome it is scientifically, and the fact that things weren't always this cool.

    Somehow wanting something for thiry years makes it that much sweeter. Makes me look forward to being eighty.

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  14. ultimate coolness would be... by newsdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...those tiny tanks, connected to a PC, so we can play over the Internet with our distant geek friends. :-)

    Yeah of course we have videogames, but it would be much cooler to have the game happening in real-life 3D on a small table in the living room. :-)

  15. Re:Awesome! by tadheckaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    wow, I remember that, I think I downloaded it off some website a few years back.

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  16. "I read the whole article!" - Sun Tszu by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The turrets are not motorized, you have to manually turn them. They are fitted with a gear on the inside, which means that they *will* be motorized eventually.

    Any /.ers care to take on the challenge?

    "Knowledge is half the battle!" - GI JOE (he would have read the whole article, then gone off to kick Cobra Commander's ass...)

  17. I have two of these!!! by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 3, Informative

    My brother and I ordered them from Japan back during Christmas. They are in fact really cool little toys.

    The advantages these little things have over the other MiniRC craze are:

    No ugly/fragile antenna (IR Control)

    Better cosmetic detail of the bodies. A couple little plastic pieces to glue on for added effect are included.

    The IR Weapons onboard complete the ultimate childhood fantasy of having your little plastic army men fight.

    Good control unit with swapable modules so you can use the same radio to control all the different types of tanks...

    The IR control is pretty good as far as range is concerned as long as you have line of sight. You have to mind that you point the control unit in the general direction of the tank... I've been stalled and hit a couple times because I didn't pay attention. There are cool little LED special effects and shaking when your opponent hits you with a shot...

    These things will have you building little obstacles and battlefields pretty soon after playing a couple rounds...

    Glad somebody wrote a review on these Konami tanks... Very cool... There are also hobbyists who make larger 1/15 scale versions but they cost hundreds... You can get two of these for about $100 plus shipping from Japan right now.

  18. Procreation & Marriage Now Justifiable by bedouin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to put off the kids thing a few more years, but I need a justifiable reason to spend $125 on these things. So, if there's any women out there who would like to get married and have my child soon there after, and also provide me with your Visa card so I can order these tanks (for are soon to arrive child), please send me a message.

    Thanks

  19. I've got 'em, they're sweet by unfortunateson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cool features I haven't seen mentioned here yet:

    1. Several 'skill levels' that let you handicap a player (limit number of shots, limit firing frequency)
    2. Unlike the mini-RC cars which use a capacitor, these things have quick-charge NiMH batteries. It takes about 10 minutes to charge 'em up, but they last about 20 minutes of continuous play.
    3. A 'hit' tank spins and flashes, so there's some real effects to getting hit. They also slow down as they get hit.
    4. The several tanks they have all have slightly different characteristics: speed, firing speed, number of shots, damage done per shot, 'hit points'. This adds to the fun of the variety of tanks. The characteristics are controlled by a key chip on the controller which can be traded out, or perhaps upgraded?
    5. The turret may turn, but the IR that fires is beneath the turret. A motorized turret would not change the game.

    They are a bit pricey, but the WWII Winter set includes two tanks, plus obstacles to hide behind and decals.

    The only other downside is that they're a little fragile.

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  20. Tanks by agrippa_cash · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For some time now I've felt that toys like this (especially the ones with the rotating turrets) could be a cool mall concession. Arcades no longer offer any appreciable advantage over home systems and my local mall has a kiddy train that goes around incircles. Put the two together with some sand and rocks and your have fun for all ages! I have to think a 5 or ten min frag session would make more than some crappy train.

    1. Re:Tanks by crusher-1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      lol. When I lived in San Diego (which was for 30+ yrs). They had an amusement park that had tanks that sat 2 ppl. One drove the tank and the other operated the turret. It had panels on the sides that would disable the drive for a a short time and panels on the turret that would disable the turret gun. You would score points for disabling the tanks. I remember it was an absolute blast. The gun in the turret shot tennis balls. I remember one time I got lucky and shot a ball into the barrel of the other tank (no kidding). The two of use in the turrets just looked at each other cause we could figure out just what had happened. Well, he shot back (that's how we figure out my ball went in the barrel). The gun doesn't work too well when it shoots two balls, it was air powered IIRC.

      It was great fun. I'm moving back to S.D in August. I wonder if that place is still up and running?

      Cheers.

  21. Re:Awesome! by valkraider · · Score: 4, Funny

    FINALLY!

    "Stuff that matters."

    The normal editors must be on vacation...

  22. But, you need AIR SUPPORT! by puddles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What better place to get air support for your ground troops than:

    Interactive Toy Concepts

    This company has everything from blimps to B2 bomber, and more.

  23. Ogg Support by limekiller4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm not getting one until it supports the Ogg format.

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  24. Re:These tanks could be an interesting choice... by dougmc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Another fun thing would be rc planes with guns similar to those on these tanks. Imagine a fighter duel between a P-58 Mustang and a Zero, or an Me bf 109 and a Spitfire...
    When you start doing R/C planes, you soon realize that there's three things you can have --

    looks just like a real (scale) plane

    flies well

    is relatively inexpensive and easy to make

    Pick any two!

    Even so, some people do do R/C combat with scale models ... but it's a lot of work making the planes and keeping them flying :)

    R/C plane combat is certainly done. Some is done with infrared `guns', like this, some is done trying to cut a ribbon trailing behind the other plane, and some is done by literally trying to bump the other plane out of the sky.

    In all cases, even when you're not trying to, the planes tend to collide quite often. So you need planes that are very resiliant, and that usually means that they aren't going to be scale models of anything -- instead, you concentrate on them flying reasonably well and being tough.

  25. Loving the Translation by statikuz · · Score: 2, Funny

    From Konami's OWN English version page:

    Please enjoy yourself using this manual.

    I sure hope you DON'T use that manual to enjoy yourself! You might want to try reading it first. Or maybe printing it out. =)

  26. you know what would kick ass? by awing0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone already mentioned hooking up an IR controller to their serial port, but what about for over the net multiplayer? Some strategicly placed cameras, 4 tanks, 4 players. I'd do this to have battles with my friends over fields of 486 hardware. I'm sure you could figure out some cool scenarios too with extra IR receivers/senders on the battle field. Stationary guns for defense, minefields, etc. Maybe a game where one team must defend an IR target while the other attacks. This is a must have toy.

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  27. Re:Those aren't toys! by Mohammed+Al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The American claims are lies. The brave loyal men of the Republican Guard today destroyed 500 tanks. I myself crushed over 50 with my bare feet.

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  28. RC Tanks have been around for ages by Gurezaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Radio controlled tanks are nothing new - my neighbor had one 60 years ago.

    He sat inside it, a radio signal came in, and in response to that message, he shot at Germans.

  29. Re:[OT] My answer to Saddam... by zipwow · · Score: 2

    Good, you've given more explanation for why France and Russia oppose the action than any news source I've seen yet.

    Still, even if this is their real concern, ignoring them, and the principles the UN was founded on, is not the right course of action. Why hasn't our "fine" president stood forth with this debt as the prime reason for their opinion?

    You also didn't approach the issue of why we've been told there's so much urgency: weapons of mass destruction. We don't have proof of them, no matter how much our president eludes to "sekrit gov'ment files".

    Its true that Iraqis are dying, and that's a tragedy. But again, ignoring the systems set in place to resolve disputes and going directly to war is yet another tragedy, and it isn't going to help things. With no broad coalition in place, with only scant support, and with obvious signs of American imperialism, I don't see a "safe, stable, democratic Iraq" in our future.

    Look at what we did with/to Afghanistan if you want evidence of our abilities at nation building. That attack was about as clearly justified as they come (and I support it). What have we done since then? We have forces stationed there, but they all reside in Kabul, leaving the rest of the countryside to return to the rule of regional warlords. This is exactly the situation that caused people to support the Taliban in the first place. Our president didn't even remember Afghanistan in the most recent budget proposal. I'm supposed to believe that things will be different with Iraq?

    The bottom line for me is: I don't buy it. I don't buy it that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction that can reach us, I don't buy it that we were motivated by altruism, and I don't believe we'll replace Iraq with anything resembling stable. I do believe we've done incredible damage to the systems and principles that give us any hope for peace and freedom.

    -Zipwow

    (and don't even get me started on ignoring the constitution at home... what a fine example to set for new republics...)

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