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Braille PDA/Phone

awtbfb writes "ALVA B.V. has released details on their Mobile Phone Organizer 5500. This combination tri-band GSM phone and Windows CE.net PDA does not yet include GPRS, but it is supposedly in the works. Release dates are this summer. It's only been a year since this was requested in askslashdot."

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  1. Yet another toy... by VaultX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yet another cellphone to add to the collection of geek gifts...It looks good to me.

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  3. Caller ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How does Caller ID work if you are blind? Have the phone speak the caller's name? Maybe a touch pad with moveable nails that can do a sequence of braille letters? That would be pretty cool.

    1. Re:Caller ID by jargoone · · Score: 4, Informative

      My wife's phone, a Sanyo 4700, has something that's like speaking caller ID. It matches the caller ID with a phone book entry if possible, and speaks the name that you enter with the phonebook entry.

      And if you think moveable nails are neat, you should see a whole refreshable braille display. I work with a guy that codes C all day long using one of these. It's truly amazing how people can adapt.

  4. Great progress! by JanusFury · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now all we need are mobile PDA/phones for the deaf... oh, wait.

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    1. Re:Great progress! by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I *am* deaf. It would be nice to get tty service anywhere, but it depends on your provider. Verizon wants up to $500 for the equipment/service. No, you don't get a cash bonus from the gov't (or anyone else), you work 5 days a week like everyone else. Meanwhile, I'm reviewing some ways to do speech to text and text to speech, falling asleep reading commercial API's for my linux boxes. It's gonna be interesting to try and synthesize my own voice from memory. (thank you, sounblaster!)

      I currently use hearing aids, but 120 dB of graphical EQ only goes so far, especially in a work environment. Implants were vetoed by the surgeon's evaluation team - I adapted too well by visual cues, and fake normal conversation well enough. Everybody thinks it's an obscure Brit accent, whan it's actually a deaf American accent.

      You have *no* idea how frustrating it is when the whole world *assumes* you use the phone. Try to get someone close to you to call your bank on your behalf. You will end up giving power of attorney over you, because that's the only way they'll deal with it. This applies for most business scenarios.

      For me the phone is a useless expense, except for data.

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  5. My Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I dated a blind woman in the late 80s who had a handheld far more functionally capable than most anything available nowadays (something about not having to worry about graphics...). The one she used was called a "Braille'n'Speak" by Blaise (?). Dumb name, nifty device. It's apparantly been far outpaced by the compatition nowadays (well, it's been 15 years). Basically, it's a standard braille keyboard (a chording keyboard invented decades ago) with seven keys, a speaker, headphone jack and a serial port, all in a small package. It allowed the user to interface it to a computer and use it for speech synthesis. This was the age of DOS (and BBSes, where she and most of the blind community were), so it was easy to tie into the BIOS and redirect text. You could take notes, and import and export text files. All the users I saw who used it cranked up the speed of the speech until, to a non-user, it sounded like an unintelligable warble. This allowed the users (who were used to it), to whip though gobs of text as fast or faster than many people could read. Now, if this was state of the art in the late 80s, I'd imagine that there are some significantly more advanced models. BTW - try IRC, as I've run into several VI users in various channels (VI as in visually impaired, not the editor). Heck, one of the serverops on Slashnet is legally blind. BTW - if any blind people used text2b.com or text2b2.com (those aren't web sites, they are apps - remember when dot com meant an executable file?), I wrote those about that time... I released 'em as shareware and got a few hundred bucks, mostly from schools. Text to braille and text to grade 2 braille, pretty much for use as printer filters. I also had a semiworking MIDI to braille sheet music app. All written in Mix Power C.

  6. I don't think it will catch on by LuxFX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally a solution to keep people from yelling into their phones,
    and you have to learn braille to use it?

    oh wait, I see....

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  7. That's all we need... by ocie · · Score: 5, Funny

    People taking there hands off the steering wheel to talk on one of these things...

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  8. It's got a braille display. by crucible · · Score: 3, Informative
    Maybe a touch pad with moveable nails that can do a sequence of braille letters

    The phone includes a one line braille display, which is essentially that.

  9. Post.net by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2, Funny
    WinCE.net. *snorts*

    Almost forgot, just for a second, that Microsoft is a marketing behemoth first and a software developer second.

  10. But how much will it cost? by crucible · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you ever looked at how much Braille notetakers go for? They start at around US$1000 and go up from there. I realize there's a limited market for braille products and the companies have to recoup R&D costs, but it really seems like this market gets price gouged. So what's this beauty gonna cost? US$5000?

  11. Anybody seen one? by OYAHHH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi,

    I have a friend who I like to refer to as a Vampire, actually technically only half of a vampire.

    She has porphyria which is a disease which makes it so that when light (mainly blue and green spectrum) strikes any part of her body it kills off red blood cells in that area. She says it feels like a sunburn of sorts.

    What it basically boils down to is that she has been stuck in the dark in her basement for almost a year now. The condition just keeps getting worse for her.

    The condition is so bad now that she can only sit in front of her laptop for like 20 minutes or so before she starts feeling effects. And this is with two sheets of tinting on the screen and with the background of all the windows, etc. set to black and the text set to red.

    Over the past few weeks I've been trying to do some research for her to help her find solutions.

    This device might have possibility some for her. Of course she can see just fine, but if her condition gets much worse she's gonna have to start living life in a manner akin to how a blind person lives life. In some respects, of course, some not.

    Has anybody out there seen one? Does it work? What does it do with something like a PDF? Does it require some sort of screen scraper software?

    Any experiences would be appreciated. I cannot believe this post appeared today, I was just thinking last night about possibly submitting an "Ask Slashdot".

    Thanks,

    OYAHHH

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  12. Can You by The+Dobber · · Score: 3, Funny


    Feel Me Now?

  13. Another alphabet to learn by 200_success · · Score: 2, Funny

    Five years ago, I had to learn Graffiti to be cool. Now I need to learn Braille so that I can keep up with the latest gadget. What will they come up with next -- Morse Code?

  14. Size? by atc24 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That thing looks a rather large; considering the specs sound a lot like that PocketPC phone (it runs WinCE and has an X-Scale proc), I wouldn't think it would be that big. I realize that braille display takes up space, but over a pound of space? How can you call that thing "mobile"?

    1. Re:Size? by mcmay · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How can you call that thing "mobile"?

      When you start out having one thing that's bigger (e.g., your Braille&Speak or other such device), and needing a second device to match its functionality (i.e., a phone, and not just any phone, but one that's usable without the display) you can call just about anything "more mobile."

      Blind computer users don't often have the luxury of taking advantages of economies of scale. That is, they're used to things being bigger and more expensive, because the R&D costs to produce stuff like this are often as high as other products, and the developers can only expect to sell a few thousand units, tops, compared to the millions of cell phones and PDAs manufactured annually. Yes, it could be smaller, but then it would take longer to make and be more expensive.

  15. Learn from Palm & Nintendo by gunner800 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Between the M505 and the old Game Boy Advance flubs, they should know how important it is to have a back-lit screen.

  16. I have prior art! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I invented a brail phone long ago and demand this company cease their blatant misuse of my patent. Granted, our phones may be a bit different, but that makes no difference in the end. My model was slightly different: instead of a combination phone/pda, though I went for something functional yet simple.

    I took a sturdy brick and welded an old brail-teletype on it. With an embedded 8086 executing off of manufacturer-refuse rom chips, it worked great. Sure, implementing the crude Turing algorithms was a bit painful, but we just claimed a "93.2% accuracy" for the devices. The blind people simply skipped over the mistakes and made assumptions as to what was being said.

    I'll never forget the fond memories of those days. Watching the faces of the blind light up as they carried out their (unknown to them) imaginary conversations. Believe you me, that time I heard little Billy exclaim: "Mommy I love you too!"; I almost cried. Or that time Jimmy used his first call to order himself a pizza. Every time a car drove by he'd ask: "guys, is that the pizza man?". We never had the heart to tell him the truth. What was even more enjoyable was when he called back to register his complaint! A blind man arguing with a turing algorithm is not a pretty sight. Precious memories.

  17. Good lord... by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great. It's bad enough when the sighted try to drive and talk on their cellphone/PDA combos at the same time. I can only imagine what's going to happen to our nation's roadways once the blind drivers start doing the same...

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