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802.11n: High Throughput, Not Just Fast Wireless

eggboard writes "Unstrung reveals that the 802.11 working group is spawning 802.11n, a high-throughput task group to work on increasing the actual data:symbol ratio in wireless networks while also boosting speed to 108 Mbps to 320 Mbps. Most people who use 802.11a, b, or g know that actual net throughput, or the real data that's carried, is a fraction of the cited rate: maybe 7 Mbps in the 11 Mbps 802.11b flavor and 25 Mbps in the 54 Mbps a and g flavors. The goal of 802.11n is to increase speed, sure, but also to increase the percentage of symbols that don't bear overhead. The bad news: they predict 2005 or 2006 for completion."

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  1. 2007 or 2008? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on - by then UWB coupled with cellular and mesh will offer those speeds. "n" should stand for "n" significant.

  2. I think I speak for everyone... by k-0s · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I speak for everyone when I say put egos aside, gather the best of each protocol into one protocol and make it the standard and release products for it. I think people (in general) are scared right now because they don't want to buy a product that will not be usuable in a year or two. I want my WiFi already.

    1. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by k-0s · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe not for you but not having a job makes anything cost prohibitive. Well I have a job but not MUCH of I job I should say. I have enough to pay for living and with what little extra I have I'd like to be able to get a wireless card, specifically one that I won't have to buy again in a year or 2 when the specs change.

  3. uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so why hasn't this been done before? Shouldn't a good spec already be lean? We've gone through six incarnations or so of 802.11 and we still have this kludge going around? I'm sure its not as easy as I'm making it out to be, but I would get fired if someone could take my spec and cut out this much overhead from it. The time to spend the four or five years crafting a good symbol set is before the thing goes public, not after.

    1. Re:uh by Stan+Chesnutt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you take a look at the 802.11 spec from 1999, you'll see a lot of stuff there that is spec'd for backwards compatibility. For example, there is the PS-Poll exchange grafted atop the normal powersave-state protocol. A lot of this backwards compatibility is at the cost of performance. A "design-from-scratch" approach could result in a much more efficient data-networking protocol design that incorporates what has been learned in the last ten years or so. However, much of the IEEE process is subject to internecine politics and hidebound practices. I am hopeful but not too optimistic.

  4. recipe for high speed by eenglish_ca · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you want highspeed wireless networking just buy some of the at&t microwave bunkers. As a bonus you can have huge w/lan parties and microwave your food free of charge at the same time.

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  5. Not being used... by InnovativeCX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Favorite quote from the article:

    802.11 Specification letter suffix: O
    What it does: Not being used, because it looks confusing.

    In all seriousness, this would be an incredibly useful technology--802.11b at it's current real speed is quite unusable for transferring files of significant size. However, I have to admit that I'm tired of seeing a Baskin-Robbins offering of wireless flavors...802.11g is a noble effort at standardization, but backwards-compatible technology is a must. I can't afford to have twenty 802.11g, 802.11n, 802.11-whatever cards sticking out the side of my notebook/PDA/random useless all-in-one wireless device of the week.

    1. Re:Not being used... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 3, Funny

      hmmm... b then a then g then n ... engineers don't beleive in the alphabet. "[the alphabet] is just a suggestion, Marge. Like pants" - homer
      yes, I know that the quote actually talks about roads, so lets just call this the information super HIGHWAY and get on with our lives ^^

      (if the above is incoherent, you haven't spent enuf time on slashdot)

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  6. good idea by stellar7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad someone is focusing on the overhead and efficiency of the standards and not just trying to get something out there with a big unrealistic marketable speed. I guess comparing advertised Mbps on wireless devices could be like comparing MHz for CPUs by different companies.

  7. 802.11?? by Czernobog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This has to do with information theory, source and channel coding and modulation.

    It'd be nice if these people standardised on a framework that can be combined with various coding and modulation schemes, in a modular sense, instead of creating 802.11xyz groups every now and then...

    Guess marketers and managers (ie The Incompetent at best, The Illiterate as per usual) have taken over from the engineers.

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  8. Uhmm? by aspjunkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have they taken into consideration that they might run out of letters at some point? ..especially if we skip from g to n.. there's some cool letters in there...

    1. Re:Uhmm? by Luminous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      IEEE 802.3 CSMA/CD

      IEEE Std 802.3z-1998, Gigabit Ethernet.
      IEEE Std 802.3aa-1998, Maintenance Revision #5 (100BASE-T).
      IEEE Std 802.3ab-1999, 1000BASE-T.
      IEEE Std 802.3ac-1998, VLAN TAG.
      IEEE Std 802.3ad-2000, Link Aggregation.
      IEEE Std 802.3ae-2002, 10Gb/s Ethernet.
      IEEE Std 802.3ag-2002, Maintenance Revisions #6.

      P802.3af, DTE Power via MDI.
      P802.3ah, Ethernet in the First Mile.
      P802.3aj, Maintenance #7 Task Force.
      P802.3ak, 10GBASE-CX4 Task Force.

      No big deal.

  9. Throughput by vslee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Throughput on 802.11b networks is actually only around 3-4 Mbps in optimal conditions, less than 50% of the theoretical maximum.

  10. This is the story of 802.11 by worst_name_ever · · Score: 3, Funny
    I think it's kind of funny they're calling it 802.11n.

    They might as well just give up and start saying "Oh, you don't want 802.11[n] anymore - you should throw away all your hardware and get 802.11[n+1] instead, since it'll be so much better! No, really!"

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  11. Real speeds of 802.11 by lindsayt · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just wanted to point out that if we accepted 11Mbps and 54Mbps as the speeds of 802.11b and 802.11a/g then we would have to call regular fast ethernet 200Mbps. 802.11b is 5.5Mbps full-duplex and a and g both are 27Mbps full duplex. It is true that the radio signals are capable of carrying 11 and 54 respectively, but half of this bandwidth is dedicated for each direction, so that the MAXIMUM one-way speed you can achieve with 802.11a/g is 27Mbps. This means that if they're hitting real-life numbers of 24Mbps (I doubt it) of data throughput, then they're doing really well - about 88% of theoretical. That's as good as you can really expect from wired networks, in terms of throughput to bandwidth ratios.

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  12. Progress... by sgtsanity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think you're a bit confused about how the ways are going. At any given time, they're developing several different specs for wireless communication. Some of these, such as the publicized 802.11a, b, and g are hardware-side, meaning they have to deal with the way these things are actually transmitted. Others are more software-side, meaning they have to do with encrypting data and whatnot. Furthermore, all of these (except for a few earlier strange circumstances such as 802.11a) are backwards compatible.

    In short, the hardware you buy today WILL be usable in a year or two. It just won't be the fastest, bestest thing on the market. Think of it as Moore's Law translated to wireless communication.

  13. Quick Guide to IEEE 802.11 by Luminous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here is a complete chart summarizing the work done by the various Task Groups (a through m) and Study Groups. The results of the letter ballots are also available.
  14. 802.11g by dg1kjd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe they should concentrate on approving the 11g standard first.
    Just to comment on the "users of 11g" stuff: The implementations you are currently seeing in the shops are based upon more or less early *drafts* of the standard. The fit will really start hitting the shan when people start combining devices from different manufacturers: Incompatibilities range from different modulation schemes (TI) over incompatible MAC protocol elements (dataset identifiers in AP capabilities) to legacy support (some old legacy devices refuse to associate with APs supporting the new modulation modes due to excessive supported-rates-list lengths).
    The origin of the slow effective transfer speed by the way is the MAC layer timing. Each information frame is transfered independently and ACK'ed by the receiving station on MAC layer -- the time delays in these frame exchanges take up enough time to reduce the effective transfer rate to about half for the 54Mbps mode. Besides QoS 11e will introduce burst frame acknowledge which should improve the situation considerably and therefore the new modulation schemes may actually make sense.

  15. Re:60% throughput is normal by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Depends verry nuch on the environment. You'll get 60% in the countryside while 20% in crouded spectrum metropolitan area might be a good asumption.

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  16. 802.1x + rolling keys is secure, even with WEP by Stan+Chesnutt · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you can find an access-point that will do 802.1x properly with rolling keys, you are in great shape, even with RC4 WEP. The WEP attacks that have been published exploit a vulnerability with poorly-chosen IV values, and if enough encrypted packets are captured, the keys can be inferred. But, if you rekey on a frequent basis, and use a "modern" implementation of WEP which avoids the weak IV values, then you will be fine. Unfortunately, I don't know which SOHO access-point devices currently support an optimum 802.1x implementation. On the client side, Windows XP SP1 does it right, and I believe that Meetinghouse has client implementations for Linux and Mac OSX.

  17. Noop. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    - Technically we call it "100baseT Full Duplex"
    - The 100 refers to 100 bits/second as a maximum channel capacity, not the maximum transfer rate between two hosts. it takes multiple hosts using the channel at the same time to saturate the channel.
    - Half of the bandwidth of 802.11b is NOT set for " each direction". The full amount can be used for either direction.. it's half duplex. Further, the 11mbps refers to the radio channel, not any " direction".

    - Full channel usage happens with multiple hosts, not with only two. with two hosts.. just like ethernet, but the delays and wait times are larger, adn there is more protocol overhead, due to the lack of collision detection.

  18. Re:Multiple wireless nics? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As long as you have multiple access points and put them on different channels it should work.

  19. For Joe Average User, 802.11b is PLENTY by HelbaSluice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For virtually all consumer applications, 60% (or less!) of 802.11b's throughput is an ample plenty.

    Why? Because the VAST majority of data they schlep goes through their broadband provider on the way to or from the Internet, where they don't get anything even APPROACHING 5 Mb/s. The line out of the house is the bottleneck in my home and in many, many other homes.