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Flaw Delays Shipment Of New 'Canterwood' Pentium 4

bigal3du writes "Hardware-Unlimited has posted new information from Intel that they will be delaying the shipment of the new Pentium 4 3Ghz with an 800Mhz FSB. An Intel spokesman contacted Hardware-Unlimited early this morning to let the publication know that performance "anomolies" have been discovered, at the last minute, in validation testing and the processor will be temporarily delayed for shipment. Full details on Hardware-Unlimited.com Forums..." ninenet points to this PC Magazine article which explains the things that characterize the new chip and also mentions the delay.

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  1. Funny by 0x00000dcc · · Score: 4, Funny

    we start OUT the day telling us how cool the chip is, and END the day telling us the REAL story

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    1. Re:Funny by mahdi13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Intel chip delayed due to a flaw...like that never happens, suprised they didn't ship it anyway like with the PIII's

      Oh wait...that was a 'feature'

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  2. Bah by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    In 1980 I had a 1.023 MHz Apple ][+ and I could type ~70 WPM. Intel is pushing 3+ GHz chips and I can still only type ~70 WPM.

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    1. Re:Bah by Carbonite · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmmm... Perhaps these new words are a million time longer?

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    2. Re:Bah by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but the rest of the processing power is to compensate for the extra OS overhead, so you still get the same snappy feel as you did with the II+.

      You seem to be under the impression you need a faster processor so you can get things done faster. The real reason is so you can get things done just as fast without regressing :). It's like swimming upstream against a strong current.

      Jason
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    3. Re:Bah by philovivero · · Score: 5, Funny

      In 1980, I had a TRS-80 CoCo where I could hold the "page-down" key and the text would fly by as fast as I could watch it.

      Now I have a P4 2.4GHz machine, and when I hold down page-down, my whole machine grinds to a halt as my Rube Goldberg-like operating system tries to phone home to Microsoft about my text paging habits.

    4. Re:Bah by evilviper · · Score: 3, Funny

      And just how long have you been using Windows?

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    5. Re:Bah by GreenHell · · Score: 3, Informative

      3 GHz = 3000 MHz.
      3 GHz != 3096 MHz
      Therefore
      3000 Mhz / 1.023 MHz = 2932.551

      MHz and GHz are base 10. Base 2 is for memory.

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    6. Re:Bah by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And just how long have you been using Windows?

      Oh..Since 1993 or so. I've also been using Linux since 1995. Are you implying that Linux today is no more bloated than it was in 1995? Can I run Linux and a word processer on a 1MHz 6502 CPU? I had the SuperText word processor on my Apple; it had most of the major features a modern word processor has and it would run perfectly on that 6502 under ProDOS.

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    7. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In 1980 I had a 1.023 MHz Apple ][+ and I could type ~70 WPM. Intel is pushing 3+ GHz chips and I can still only type ~70 WPM.

      Hmm ..

      Have you tried Mavis Beacon Typing Tutor? It may help.

      http://www.mavisbeacon.com/

  3. Maybe No Glitch At All? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This comes from The Inquirer. A wild rumor is that there's only a small glitch and in actuality Intel just doesn't have enough stock to make the shipment. Either way, it's not good news for Intel's stock. But which is worse? Running into a problem in testing OR miscalculating how many units you need? I say the miscalculation represents more of a fundamental problem whereas a snag in testing is to be expected.

    Ah, here's the text:
    "Japanese web site PC Watch today claimed that Intel has put a stop to general shipments of the Pentium 4 3GHz and 800MHz chipset products because of a glitch discovered during testing.

    If the report is correct - and we've contact Intel for clarification - it's rather an embarrassing admission.

    The Japanese site thinks that Intel is using a small glitch as an excuse and in actual fact the problem is a severe limitation in supplies of the chipset and CPU.

    Intel's embargo on the Canterwood chipset, which uses the 800MHz front side bus expired just a few hours ago, and there are already dozens of reviews of the product all over the world wide wibble."

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    1. Re:Maybe No Glitch At All? by mattyohe · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Inquirer like everyone else has updated their story...:

      Update It would appear that the original version of the story was correct. Intel has put the 800MHz FSB 3.0GHz P4 on hold. We received the following statement from Intel: "Due to recent analysis, and given our commitment to quality, Intel will be placing the Pentium 4 processor at 3.00 GHz with an 800MHz bus on ship hold temporarily. In the course of our final testing in our validation lab environment, we have observed an anomaly on a very small number of the 800MHz bus processors. We are working to understand and resolve the issue and we hope to ship this new processor as soon as possible."

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  4. This is not true by Mohammed+Al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Funny

    This article is a fabrication. The chip was never delayed. The blood of the rival chip makers was shed on the walls of Baghdad.

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  5. Intel: Where Quality Is Job 0.99999999567 by tuffy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry, had to say it :)

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    1. Re:Intel: Where Quality Is Job 0.99999999567 by furchin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, by my calculations, Quality is job 0.99999999572, but then again, I'm on a Celeron.

  6. No Wonder by Gefiltefish11 · · Score: 3, Funny


    It's no surprise that they've had problems. "Canterwood" just has a bad sound to it. The working name will probably doom the product to failure. Next thing you know, we'll all be hearing about the "Canterwood" effect of hardware failure...

  7. Well duh... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Flaw Delays Shipment Of New 'Canterwood' Pentium 4

    Frankly I'm suprised a CPU made of wood would work at all.

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    1. Re:Well duh... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Frankly I'm suprised a CPU made of wood would work at all."

      Hey man, don't knock wood.

      This technology is actually quite fascinating. Not only is it very reliable, but it's also low voltage and resistant to random bit flippings caused by radiation etc.

      Check out this extreme closeup image of the processor, you'll see what I mean.

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    2. Re:Well duh... by tuffy · · Score: 4, Funny
      Frankly I'm suprised a CPU made of wood would work at all.

      Intel is simply branching out into new technologies.

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    3. Re:Well duh... by CyberKnet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently with advanced use of wires you can have 100% accurate branch prediction. I have also heard it whispered that it is extremely environmentally friendly when formed from plantation trees... used in conjunction with the new fab process "chipper", one tree can produce thousands of "chips" suitable for use with "boards", which are made from the same substance.

      Amazing stuff, really.

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  8. Uh oh by hawkbug · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hopefully it's not another "math bug", where 2 x 2 = 4.1267999999!

  9. Regardless of the severity of the flaw... by drgroove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... its great to see Intel take the initiative on their product and prevent a chip w/ even a minor flaw from entering the marketplace. While their stock price might take a minor hit today on the news that shipment has been delayed, imagine the fiasco down the line if thousands of flawed processors were in the wild, and Intel had to do a recall? FWIW, this was the "Right Thing To Do".

    If only other prominent tech companies (*cough* *microsoft* *cough*) would take this sort of lead and ensure that only products which were found to be free of flaws entered the market, instead of releasing half-baked products and using the customer base as guinea pigs... just imagine how better off we'd all be...

    1. Re:Regardless of the severity of the flaw... by GebsBeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone with any memory at all remembers the infamous pentium bug of years back. These things happen and as they pack more transistors onto their chips we can expect the number of hardware bugs to climb as well. Many of them are never even caught because they're never seen. Intel got hit with a firestorm of bad publicity before and are just covering their a$$es. Its frankly good business.

    2. Re:Regardless of the severity of the flaw... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "...it sounds like the real issue here is that you work for Microsoft, and know for a fact that my little slight on MS is completely valid, and I have in some way bruised your fragile, pathetically weak ego. Well, I'm sorry if your company can't get their product launches right the first time "

      "Only Hitler would be so intolerant of people with opposing views!"

      For the record, I work with AnonV, and no we're not at Microsoft. We're not even using Microsoft products much anymore. He's right, though, a lot of the 'flaws' involving Microsoft products are a result of creative thinking, not a result of flaws that could have been flushed out with testing. Argue with me if you want, but was the sysadmin here up until 4 months ago. If MS products were half as bad as people make-believe it is here, I wouldn't have had time for over 2,000 posts on Slashdot.

      His point is quite valid, your comment did not deserve it's moderation. It's really quite formulaic. You took Microsoft, a company everybody here hates, and said they should make perfect products. Well golly gee, what a precious gem of insight that was! Of course, if you had said that about the Open Source Community and the software they write, you'd be modded as troll because people'd see what you're really doing. Never mind that it's just as valid. We've all downloaded free apps that had some sort of flaw or defect. They're not exempt from your commment, but common sense dictatates that it'd be nice if they made perfect stuff to begin with.

      If you really were a software engineer, you'd understand this. You cannot anticipate every single thing people are going to try. The problem is a lot worse for Microsoft because a lot of their software hits the mass-market audience. Worse, their targets are people that aren't saavy enough to understand what's going on. Double worse is that MS has a bad rep so people intentionally try to find mischevious exploits. How come you don't know all this mr Software Developer?

      I have to admit, though, accusing him of working for Microsoft and then flaming him for it was quite the dramatic touch. I agree with him, I think you're lying about being a software developer. I've never met a Software Engineer with such a desire to engage in malice like this.

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  10. too much power != good by 2057 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more powerful the chips intel pushes the less effcient the coder becomes, i remember when i used to tweak my programs so they would run optimally on a slower machines, now a days its like you need 192mb and 500mhz for word processing. People need to get back to the old school days when a 486/66mhz and 4mb RAM was minumum. I can understand how games evolve and more power is needed, but it's not just games that have this high requirement these days.

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    1. Re:too much power != good by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The more powerful the chips intel pushes the less effcient the coder becomes, i remember when i used to tweak my programs so they would run optimally on a slower machines

      Yeah, I said that too when the PII came out. Sure there is always going to be bloat in code, especially in large projects. But you are more than welcome to go to ebay and get an 8088 or an Apple II and enjoy a machine that fits your computing needs (floppy drive or tape drive your pick).

      Me, I would like to have a computer fast enough to do things like audio/video editing, real time ogg encoding, or whatever. I surely would not mind buying a computer today thats 4x faster than these new P4s for about $1000. I'd find a need for it or enjoy the lack of bloat feeling, who cares?

      Although I have had 0 formal training in programming, one thing I've read and have incorporated into my coding is early optimization == bad. 1st write good code, then find out where the bottlenecks are (if any) and then optimize those bottlenecks. There are even great profiling tools out there to help you do these things.

  11. Vapor vs. shipping. by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK, so to recap the previous article and this article:

    They compare a chip that is not shipping now, cannot ship now because of bugs, but when it ships will have a memory interface twice as fast as what is shipping now on the Athlon as well as a roughly 50% higher clock speed. In many tests the Athlon (which is shipping now) still won, and where it did not win it usually was over 50% as fast as this new chip (which is not shipping yet).

  12. Re:Intel: Where Quality Is... by ZaPhOd42 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Divide by 0 error!

    Kernel Panic!

    BOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!

  13. Obligatory Pentium Jokes by xcomputer_man · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q. How many Pentium designers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    A. 1.99999289345, but that's close enough for non-technical people.

    Q. The Pentium conforms to IEEE standards for floating point math. If you fly in an airplane designed using a Pentium, what's the correct pronounciation of IEEE?
    A. Aiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Q. What's another name for the Intel Inside sticker they put on PCs?
    A. The warning label.

    1. Re:Obligatory Pentium Jokes by svirre · · Score: 3, Funny

      We are the pentium of Borg! Mathmatics is irrelevant. Division is futile. You will be approximated.

      Ooohh... Star Trek refrence AND intel bashing... I sense geek cred is rising. :)

  14. Wait a friggen sec... by dethl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Intel is brining out a FASTER cpu while AMD is going to redo the desktop market with a 64-bit processor?

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  15. Seems to be tied to the 800-MHz FSB interface by MarkRH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A 533-MHz FSB Pentium 4 will run fine on Canterwood, Intel told us this morning. No word yet on whether or not Dell, Gateway, et al will stop shipments, or how long the delay will be. Or what the problem actually is, for that matter.

  16. What they don't want you to know... by MoeMoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Customer: What is the holdup in bringing out the new chip?
    Intel Rep.: We have recently uncovered some "anomolies" within the chip itself
    Customer: Would it slow down my computer?
    Intel Rep.: No...
    Customer: Would it damage my mobo or HD?
    Intel Rep.: No...
    Customer: Then what is this "anamoly" about?
    Intel Rep.: We forgot to make it un-"OC"able OK?!?!
    Customer: Ummm wait....
    **Click!**

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  17. Definition of "good" development by m11533 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Long ago the developer/hardware equation was changed. Originally, hardware was far more expensive than the people developing the software. That was when investing lots of energy into hand-optimizing was the proper tradeoff.

    Years ago, before 1GHz was considered a short term possibility, hardware costs had decreased and software costs had increased, to the point where it is the DEVELOPER who is the most expensive piece of the equation. Thus, we now are at the point where, with the exception of a few very specialized segments, we do whatever it takes to optimize the developer time in building software. That is not to say that developers can be careless and wasteful. But that developers should not waste time optimizing code. IFF performance is an issue, THEN one takes measurements and optimizes critical areas consuming the majority of time. Beyond that, it just isn't worth it. Today's 3GHz machines with GB of RAM only reinforce that this is the only appropriate approach to software development.

  18. Performance anomolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    let the publication know that performance "anomolies" have been discovered,



    Yes, the new Intel chip seems to have a few issues.
    To see if your chip is affected, submit a story to Slashdot that includes the word "anomaly" or some variant thereof. If it comes out misspelled, you're fucked.

  19. The above post has not been modded down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    The above post really has a +5 score!

    The dastardly agents working on behalf of the corrupt western infidels CoyboyNeal and Taco conspired to mod the mighty M.S.S. down!

    Don't mod down the Minister!

  20. Actually....This might be true.... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 2, Funny

    The chips given to the hardware reviewers were unlocked, and you could change the multiplyer on the chip however you wanted. They might have forgotten to change it back...

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  21. The real reason by InsaneCreator · · Score: 2, Funny

    The chip was so fast, it identified itself as an AMD. :)

  22. Re:Never mind the fishy % math... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its such a tired argument, really. The fact is, the Pentium4 clocks awsomely by design, with an (intentional) tradeoff in IPC, while the Athlon is the opposite. They are both neck and neck now performance wise. So many people think that Intel "screwed up" on the IPCs. This is complete bullshit, they just took a different tactic.

    The Pentium M is essentially a modified P3, which extra cache, SSE2 and a faster FSB. Since the P3 was at least in the same IPC ballpark as the Athlon, I'm sure the M is going to clean up at similar clockspeeds. However, again, it doesn't clock as high.

    Just different tactics, they are all really quite comparible from a design (and performance) point of view. The only problem is the public perception of MHz being the only factor. For some reason this does not occur in the video card market, just in CPUs.

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  23. Improve your Technique by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Start thinking outside the box, dude.

    Start by considering an economical language, based on the powers of two, which you'll have to agree as being more suitable for computers than some 105 key piece of junk.

    For instance, start with only 8 letters, say,

    asdfjkl;
    and you should be able to improve your typing speed immensely.

    Also, pressing the space bar lots of times b e t w e e n chara c te rs will push your word count up quite a b i t, too!

    Sorry I can't provide more tips now, but I'm really busy producing some new CPU benchmark figures.

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  24. Re:F00F bug by AvengerXP · · Score: 2, Informative

    Floating point operations using integers on Pentium Is returned non-integer values. Let's take 2,0 divided by 2,0. The result of the previous division for example could have been 0,99999959335. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong (And i'm sure someone will).

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