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Flaw Delays Shipment Of New 'Canterwood' Pentium 4
bigal3du writes "Hardware-Unlimited has posted new information from Intel that they will be delaying the shipment of the new Pentium 4 3Ghz with an 800Mhz FSB. An Intel spokesman contacted Hardware-Unlimited early this morning to let the publication know that performance "anomolies" have been discovered, at the last minute, in validation testing and the processor will be temporarily delayed for shipment. Full details on Hardware-Unlimited.com Forums..." ninenet points to this PC Magazine article which explains the things that characterize the new chip and also mentions the delay.
we start OUT the day telling us how cool the chip is, and END the day telling us the REAL story
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In 1980 I had a 1.023 MHz Apple ][+ and I could type ~70 WPM. Intel is pushing 3+ GHz chips and I can still only type ~70 WPM.
Trolling is a art,
People there are OCing their 2.4B Northwood SLRZ's to 3.6ghz/ 200mhz FSB on granite bay boards. All that is missing is Hyper Threading, but the 2.4B's only cost $160 and the boards... about $180.
Ah, here's the text:
"Japanese web site PC Watch today claimed that Intel has put a stop to general shipments of the Pentium 4 3GHz and 800MHz chipset products because of a glitch discovered during testing.
If the report is correct - and we've contact Intel for clarification - it's rather an embarrassing admission.
The Japanese site thinks that Intel is using a small glitch as an excuse and in actual fact the problem is a severe limitation in supplies of the chipset and CPU.
Intel's embargo on the Canterwood chipset, which uses the 800MHz front side bus expired just a few hours ago, and there are already dozens of reviews of the product all over the world wide wibble."
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This article is a fabrication. The chip was never delayed. The blood of the rival chip makers was shed on the walls of Baghdad.
Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
guess they cantership it...
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haha, i'll take any mistake processors they might have produced between this morning and now!
Sorry, had to say it :)
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
It's no surprise that they've had problems. "Canterwood" just has a bad sound to it. The working name will probably doom the product to failure. Next thing you know, we'll all be hearing about the "Canterwood" effect of hardware failure...
Flaw Delays Shipment Of New 'Canterwood' Pentium 4
Frankly I'm suprised a CPU made of wood would work at all.
Trolling is a art,
Microsoft and Sun are commiting to buying AMD's 64 bit chip...Oh Shit!!
"Intel distances themselves again from the Athlon."
:)
Or not.
Sorry. Had to take a cheap shot at an Intel fanboy (OldGrayDave).
Hopefully it's not another "math bug", where 2 x 2 = 4.1267999999!
... its great to see Intel take the initiative on their product and prevent a chip w/ even a minor flaw from entering the marketplace. While their stock price might take a minor hit today on the news that shipment has been delayed, imagine the fiasco down the line if thousands of flawed processors were in the wild, and Intel had to do a recall? FWIW, this was the "Right Thing To Do".
If only other prominent tech companies (*cough* *microsoft* *cough*) would take this sort of lead and ensure that only products which were found to be free of flaws entered the market, instead of releasing half-baked products and using the customer base as guinea pigs... just imagine how better off we'd all be...
The more powerful the chips intel pushes the less effcient the coder becomes, i remember when i used to tweak my programs so they would run optimally on a slower machines, now a days its like you need 192mb and 500mhz for word processing. People need to get back to the old school days when a 486/66mhz and 4mb RAM was minumum. I can understand how games evolve and more power is needed, but it's not just games that have this high requirement these days.
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OK, so to recap the previous article and this article:
They compare a chip that is not shipping now, cannot ship now because of bugs, but when it ships will have a memory interface twice as fast as what is shipping now on the Athlon as well as a roughly 50% higher clock speed. In many tests the Athlon (which is shipping now) still won, and where it did not win it usually was over 50% as fast as this new chip (which is not shipping yet).
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Q. How many Pentium designers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. 1.99999289345, but that's close enough for non-technical people.
Q. The Pentium conforms to IEEE standards for floating point math. If you fly in an airplane designed using a Pentium, what's the correct pronounciation of IEEE?
A. Aiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Q. What's another name for the Intel Inside sticker they put on PCs?
A. The warning label.
Am I a hipster-doofus?
Intel is brining out a FASTER cpu while AMD is going to redo the desktop market with a 64-bit processor?
"Some fight for law. Some fight for justice. What will you fight for? One day, you will see."
A 533-MHz FSB Pentium 4 will run fine on Canterwood, Intel told us this morning. No word yet on whether or not Dell, Gateway, et al will stop shipments, or how long the delay will be. Or what the problem actually is, for that matter.
Customer: What is the holdup in bringing out the new chip?
Intel Rep.: We have recently uncovered some "anomolies" within the chip itself
Customer: Would it slow down my computer?
Intel Rep.: No...
Customer: Would it damage my mobo or HD?
Intel Rep.: No...
Customer: Then what is this "anamoly" about?
Intel Rep.: We forgot to make it un-"OC"able OK?!?!
Customer: Ummm wait....
**Click!**
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A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
then put on a "B" version in 2x mos. so the delay kinda suxtors but better than paying top $$$ for the new chips and finding out you got teething problems.
actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
Long ago the developer/hardware equation was changed. Originally, hardware was far more expensive than the people developing the software. That was when investing lots of energy into hand-optimizing was the proper tradeoff.
Years ago, before 1GHz was considered a short term possibility, hardware costs had decreased and software costs had increased, to the point where it is the DEVELOPER who is the most expensive piece of the equation. Thus, we now are at the point where, with the exception of a few very specialized segments, we do whatever it takes to optimize the developer time in building software. That is not to say that developers can be careless and wasteful. But that developers should not waste time optimizing code. IFF performance is an issue, THEN one takes measurements and optimizes critical areas consuming the majority of time. Beyond that, it just isn't worth it. Today's 3GHz machines with GB of RAM only reinforce that this is the only appropriate approach to software development.
Yes, the new Intel chip seems to have a few issues.
To see if your chip is affected, submit a story to Slashdot that includes the word "anomaly" or some variant thereof. If it comes out misspelled, you're fucked.
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how this happens in the same week that they're supposed to file their 10-Q with the SEC. I'm going to have to check the stats on that in a bit.
C|N>K
The chips given to the hardware reviewers were unlocked, and you could change the multiplyer on the chip however you wanted. They might have forgotten to change it back...
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Only if the "evil bit" is set 'false'
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
- Are you telling me it's Flawed, Useless Developer?
Um.. Ok, maybe it wasn't that funny.
The chip was so fast, it identified itself as an AMD. :)
The repentium!
I was salivating after reading the reviews. This feels like nerd blue balls...
Shipment of the fastest processor is very slow ..... Whoa
Acutally it's not a gamble if you find a place that will sell you the particular series I mentioned. They all go to 3.4ghz with stock voltage and cooling / 3.6ghz with mild overvolting and an aftermarket HSF combo. If you get an old 2.4b then you have no chance. Most people fail to get their rid higher b/c of memory or mobo not the CPU.
The difference in OC potential between the old batches ('02) and the new batches ('03) is so great that some mail order places charge premiums for guaranteed c1 stepping 2.4Bs. The best of that bunch are the SLRZ (from Costa Rica) and the SLEF.
Soccer mom's of the world are weeping as their child can no longer get that super fast dell to surf the web and watch Pr0n.
Who really needs a 3ghz box? Im still kicking around an Athlon 800 and its plenty fast. Compiles the latest kernel quicker than it takes me to get up and grab a mountain dew.
I think you'll find it is NVIDIA-AMD-LINUX and not ATi. I don't recall any ATi chipsets working on AMD, nor do I recall Nvidia's chipsets working on Intel's chipsets (we'll exclude that X-Box as that isn't a PC, it is a console that happens to be quite like a PC).
Having said that. In 32-bit land, Intel have been doing well for themselves recently and have taken over the speed crown in x86 land as it stands currently. This is a set back for Intel though as AMD's new baby might take the speed crown back, we'll find out in just over a week....
Its such a tired argument, really. The fact is, the Pentium4 clocks awsomely by design, with an (intentional) tradeoff in IPC, while the Athlon is the opposite. They are both neck and neck now performance wise. So many people think that Intel "screwed up" on the IPCs. This is complete bullshit, they just took a different tactic.
The Pentium M is essentially a modified P3, which extra cache, SSE2 and a faster FSB. Since the P3 was at least in the same IPC ballpark as the Athlon, I'm sure the M is going to clean up at similar clockspeeds. However, again, it doesn't clock as high.
Just different tactics, they are all really quite comparible from a design (and performance) point of view. The only problem is the public perception of MHz being the only factor. For some reason this does not occur in the video card market, just in CPUs.
Jeremy
Start thinking outside the box, dude.
Start by considering an economical language, based on the powers of two, which you'll have to agree as being more suitable for computers than some 105 key piece of junk.
For instance, start with only 8 letters, say,
and you should be able to improve your typing speed immensely.Also, pressing the space bar lots of times b e t w e e n chara c te rs will push your word count up quite a b i t, too!
Sorry I can't provide more tips now, but I'm really busy producing some new CPU benchmark figures.
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Floating point operations using integers on Pentium Is returned non-integer values. Let's take 2,0 divided by 2,0. The result of the previous division for example could have been 0,99999959335. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong (And i'm sure someone will).
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I hope this is like the flaw from freakazoid where if you type in the correct set of characters and hit delete while connected to the internet, you turn into a super hero. Ah to be Dexter Douglas *sigh*
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Stock in Pfizer, manufacturer of Viagra, took a significant jump shortly after Intel's news about holding off their new chip. Market analyists attribute the stock jump to a mass fear about difficulties in getting 'wood.
That microsoft doesn't own Intel!?!?!?!?
HAHAHAHA!!!!
It's left blank because I have nothing to say to you punks!
Anandtech also mentioned it but says For the record, we did not encounter any issues during our testing that were out of the ordinary. Our motherboard labs did encounter some issues early on and we'll be investigating to see if they could possibly be related, but without being told any symptoms or the nature of the issue it's going to be very difficult for us to figure out what's causing it. Luckily none of these CPUs should have made it into the hands of any end-users, which is a relief. Intel insists that the problem is limited in nature, only time will tell how much that holds true
But I haven't heard anything specific (as of yet) as to WHY they are pulling them back. At least Intel is making sure that there's a quality product on the market.
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't
So, does anyone know exactly what the "anomoly" was?
Maybe they forgot to include the BSOD opcode.
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kudos to intel for actually testing their chip... does anyone remember the pentium pro?
Hey man, don't knock wood.
That's not just wood, it's Carbon Fibre, the latest thing!
Seriously. This the month that the first Hammers are supposed to emerge and this happens. Do you recall the disaster for Intel when, a couple years ago, they attempted to roll out a PIII 1GHz and it was flawd, then AMD jumped them by getting the Athlon 1GHz to market first. Quite the coupe that was. Looks like Intel's flubbing it again.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
geesh, they shipped the XScale PXA250 with only a 100MHz FSB so it's hardly faster than the existing 206MHz SA1110. But then again, there's not too much competition in the ARM market( go TI! ;).
;)
It's good they atleast pulled this CPU back Inside Intel. So THAT'S what "Intel Inside" means.
LoB
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I would not worry too much about this since it is probably just some enhancements for national security purposes.
>AMD throws just as much marketing hype around as >Intel,
I don't see it. Seriously.
Every large OEM plays the plunk-plonk-ding-ding song at the end of their commercials. What does AMD counter with? Some small local shops have a poster advertising the K6 or original Athlon up.
I almost went for Intel last time (was considering PIV/2000 versus K7/1666) but went AMD because there was a cheaper package.
It's just like a fascist dictatorship, without the punctual rail service!
Funny, I did just the opposite. I had an AMD 2200XP. It ran GREAT... but it also ran HOT!!!! At full load (with a great heatsink and lots of case fans) the CPU was at 60 degrees celsius, and my room turned into a sauna. I got an Intel p4 2.4, and the CPU has only gone up to 41 deg Celsius once, and my room is now a normal temp. Sure, I paid about $50 more, but at least now I can sleep with my PC on and not worry about waking in a pool of sweat. But, to each his own I guess.
Why would you want to be like Freakazoid? You'd get cancelled after your second season and be shown in reruns on Cartoon Network at something like 5 in the morning. Keep your day job. That is, assuming that you have one . . .
They are a rather small company. A mom and pop internet operation as it were.
The hands you see, most likely belong to the guy that concieved of the keyboard, and made it happen.
Don't take my word as law though. I've dealt with them directly a couple times, but don't have any real inside knowledge.
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Ok, you keep using commas instead of decimal points. And you should always capitalize I.